It is currently Mon Mar 16, 2020 10:48 am

All times are UTC - 7 hours



Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 96 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7  Next
Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7  Next
Author Message
Post subject: Re: WOW!
Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 10:15 am
Offline
Professional Musician
Professional Musician
User avatar

Joined: Tue Dec 01, 2009 9:22 am
Posts: 2175
Hello Ryan!

Gald you like my wiring diagram! :D and good choice on the Hot golds. They are great pups IMO.

I'll answer your questions as best i can

ryhaigh wrote:
1) So the green wires off the pups are grounds?
If so, where did you ground them to?

All wires marked as ground go to the back of the TBX pot
ryhaigh wrote:
2) On the middle pickup, the white wire appears to be going to ground too. Where did you ground it to?

The back of the TBX pot
ryhaigh wrote:
3) With respect to the black grounds, so you run them all to the back of the TBX tone pot and then you run one wire for ground to the trem claw AND one to the body? (To clarify, 2 grounds coming from the TBX pot, one to trem claw, one to body?)

Yep, you are correct
ryhaigh wrote:
4) The TBX tone control pot has what looks to be a resistor on the left, is that right? If so, what wattage resistor did you use?

I used the one that came with the kit. Its 82k resistor
ryhaigh wrote:
5) Is that a cap on the right of the TBX control? I was thinking of using a sprague .022 if so, but I'd be curious to know what you used there.

Again I used the cap that came with the Kit. It’s a 022 (Mylar I think). Your Sprague .022 should work fine
ryhaigh wrote:
6) What's the "SC" on the S-1 pot? Is that the cap that came with the switch? If so, did you stick with it, or change it out for a different cap?

The “SC” Stands for Specials Capacitor. My S-1 switch didn’t come with the SC so I used a spare .022 Mylar cap. Sounds good IMO. Have a play and see what you think sounds best.
ryhaigh wrote:
7) Finally, I was looking at the S-1 pot last night and I was wondering if you have any soldering advice. My thought was to tin the wires and then put them through the little holes and just hit it with a tiny bit of solder to lock it in the hole. The only issue I anticipated was that once I tin the wires, they may be tough to get in those little holes?

How did you go about it and what size wire did you use?

I used decent 22 gauge 2mm thick wire. As you can see in the second pic the wire I used for the S-1 etc is pretty chunky as far as guitar wire goes. You’ll find it easier with standard hook up wire similar to the type running from your pups & mid boost board etc. I don’t think you’ll have any problems fitting the wires in the contacts as long as you *lightly* tin the wire ends. Then pop them in an secure with a blob of solder. Try one out first and if it doesn’t fit, don’t worry about tining the rest, just pop them in and solder away. As I’ve mentioned before I had to lightly sand the contacts on the S-1 to get the solder to take. Just be careful, take your time and be neat when wiring the S-1 as it’s easy to cross contacts with messy soldering.
ryhaigh wrote:
Andy, as always, you rock. You just saved me around a 100 bucks and passed on some knowledge that let me do this myself, which is always gratifying in itself.

Thanks again for your for you kind words! Gald I could be of some help and save you a few bucks! All i ask in return is that you let us know how it goes and what your thoughts on the mod are (maybe a few pics of the finished product would be nice! :D ).

Let me know if you have any other quieres. I hope you have as much fun as I did installing and playing with this mod.

Good Luck and Enjoy!

Andy

_________________
Pending Greatness


Top
Profile
Fender Play Winter Sale 2020
Post subject: Pics of completed project
Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 1:25 pm
Offline
Hobbyist
Hobbyist

Joined: Tue Feb 16, 2010 2:02 pm
Posts: 6
First, let me say thanks Andy and all the guys who posted before that helped me complete this project.

I have pics to share but I can't figure out how to post them. I don't have access to a public website that I can put them on as far as I know, which is all I could figure out in the help section for the site.

Final questions after completion:

Here's the S-1 diagram that fender provides for their s-1 wiring:

http://support.fender.com/diagrams/stra ... 02APg2.pdf

Here are charts of which pickups are active with Fender's S-1 wiring and when (note they are slightly different)

http://www.fender.com/features/s1/pdf/A ... 0-1200.pdf

My question is our wiring (via Andy's awesome diagram) is different than Fender's with respect to the 5 way dual bladed superswitch. It goes to follow that our pickup selector/s-1 switch may be activating pickups in a manner not consistent with Fender's chart.

Based upon the way we wire, which appears different, do you know which pickups are active when, and how (ie series or parallel) at each setting?

At any rate, the tones are definitely different. For some reason, when the s-1 is pushed in, every setting has a more charged tone. I'm really happy with how everything turned out and once I figure out how to post pics I will provide some commentary to others who are interested in attempting it.

Thanks All.

Ryan


Top
Profile
Post subject:
Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 7:49 am
Offline
Hobbyist
Hobbyist

Joined: Thu Jul 26, 2007 7:16 pm
Posts: 95
First of all:
I AM NOT AN EE, so this may be completely wrong!

The S-1 switch is (I think) a 6PDT Switch (that's a 6 Pole Double Throw Switch; although I've read somewhere someone else called it a 4PDT).

I was not successful Googling exactly what a 6PDT does, but you can always take a multimeter and just try the pin combinations (just make a grid of 6x6, then map out on and off configuration).

The super switch is what engages the combination of pickups. If you want the exact pickup configurations of the DLX, then you need one of those switches. Otherwise you will have just the standard pickup configuration (depending on how the 6PDT switch is wired).

Hope this helps. At least maybe a qualified EE can refer you to how a 6PDT works.


Top
Profile
Post subject: photos
Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 9:17 pm
Offline
Hobbyist
Hobbyist

Joined: Tue Feb 16, 2010 2:02 pm
Posts: 6
Andy, and anyone else who has any interest, here's are links to my pics:

http://s971.photobucket.com/albums/ae19 ... r%20stuff/

If anyone else has a squier out there and tries this, be aware that the main cavity will need some physical mods, as will the jack hole. If anyone needs specifics, just holler.

Pcheng, thanks for the input. I probably wasn't clear before. Both Andy and I used a 2 bladed superswitch like the dlx. I was wondering whether, given that the wiring is different than Fender's with respect to the superswitch, which pickups are active when and in what manner on ours? Ie. does it mirror the settings of the dlx even though its wired differently.

After looking over the diagrams again, I think the wiring is probably different more due to 2 tone pots needing to be wired on the dlx vs all the wires going to one tone pot for tone changes on the s-1/mid boost combo, as the other essentially becomes gain. Note that the bottom half of both blades aren't used in Andy's schematic, but they are on the Fender layout. From what I can tell, Fender uses those portions of the superswitch to wire to the tone pots.


BTW, Pcheng, I believe you were the one that discussed removing the carbon wafer out of the volume pot and replacing it. Worked like a charm even for a novice like me. Thanks.

All the best,

Ryan

[/img]


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: photos
Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 2:56 am
Offline
Professional Musician
Professional Musician
User avatar

Joined: Tue Dec 01, 2009 9:22 am
Posts: 2175
Hello Ryan!

Glad it all worked out for you! Thanks for the pics, your Squire looks the business!
ryhaigh wrote:
Based upon the way we wire, which appears different, do you know which pick-ups are active when, and how (i.e. series or parallel) at each setting?

Regarding the S-1 wiring, Fender have several different wiring diagrams. I used the American Deluxe Ash Strat Diagram which I think gives a better selection of pick-up combinations (see the second link to see what pick-up combinations are on with the S-1 engaged).

http://www.fender.com/support/diagrams/ ... 02APg2.pdf

http://www.fender.com/support/diagrams/ ... 02APg4.pdf
ryhaigh wrote:
After looking over the diagrams again, I think the wiring is probably different more due to 2 tone pots needing to be wired on the dlx vs all the wires going to one tone pot for tone changes on the s-1/mid boost combo, as the other essentially becomes gain. Note that the bottom half of both blades aren't used in Andy's schematic, but they are on the Fender layout. From what I can tell, Fender uses those portions of the superswitch to wire to the tone pots.

You are correct! The two spare blades on the super switch are not needed for this mod.

Enjoy and congrats!

Andy

_________________
Pending Greatness


Top
Profile
Post subject:
Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 3:15 am
Offline
Professional Musician
Professional Musician
User avatar

Joined: Tue Dec 01, 2009 9:22 am
Posts: 2175
pcheng wrote:
First of all:
I AM NOT AN EE, so this may be completely wrong!

The S-1 switch is (I think) a 6PDT Switch (that's a 6 Pole Double Throw Switch; although I've read somewhere someone else called it a 4PDT).

I was not successful Googling exactly what a 6PDT does, but you can always take a multimeter and just try the pin combinations (just make a grid of 6x6, then map out on and off configuration).

The super switch is what engages the combination of pickups. If you want the exact pickup configurations of the DLX, then you need one of those switches. Otherwise you will have just the standard pickup configuration (depending on how the 6PDT switch is wired).

Hope this helps. At least maybe a qualified EE can refer you to how a 6PDT works.

Hello pcheng!

I think your right about testing the S-1 to find out how it works, though I rekon its a 4PDT with three lugs for each pole. Hopefully Mike Eldred will be able to confirm this.

When I have a bit more time i'll sit down and crack the S-1. Can't be that hard (famous last words!)

Enjoy!

Andy

_________________
Pending Greatness


Top
Profile
Post subject: S-1 Switching with Clapton 25 db mid-boost onboard.
Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 2:21 pm
Offline
Amateur
Amateur
User avatar

Joined: Sun Apr 06, 2008 7:37 pm
Posts: 135
Location: NorCal
Does anyone has a link to a diagram that illustrates a Strat with 25 db Boost & S-1 switching system on board? Thank You.


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: S-1 Switching with Clapton 25 db mid-boost onboard.
Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 4:25 pm
Offline
Professional Musician
Professional Musician
User avatar

Joined: Tue Dec 01, 2009 9:22 am
Posts: 2175
pdyckman wrote:
Does anyone has a link to a diagram that illustrates a Strat with 25 db Boost & S-1 switching system on board? Thank You.

Check the bottom of page 2 :wink:

Andy

_________________
Pending Greatness


Top
Profile
Post subject: strat with s1 switching and mid boost preamp
Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 11:01 am
Offline
Hobbyist
Hobbyist
User avatar

Joined: Sun Nov 02, 2008 8:26 pm
Posts: 1
Hello there,

I am relatively new to this forum and I am quite interested in this strat with the S1 switching and mid boost preamp.

I am greatly curious...do you have any sound clips or audio for us to hear?

I would love to know how it sounds :P

This is actually inspiring me to upgrade my own strat...I would like to know how it sounds though, before I do :D


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: strat with s1 switching and mid boost preamp
Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 5:32 am
Offline
Professional Musician
Professional Musician
User avatar

Joined: Tue Dec 01, 2009 9:22 am
Posts: 2175
stratking55 wrote:
Hello there,

I am relatively new to this forum and I am quite interested in this strat with the S1 switching and mid boost preamp.

I am greatly curious...do you have any sound clips or audio for us to hear?

I would love to know how it sounds :P

This is actually inspiring me to upgrade my own strat...I would like to know how it sounds though, before I do :D

Hi Stratking55, Welcome to the Forum! :D

Sorry I'm a bit late on this one! Unfortunately I don't have any audio for you to hear. The only thing I can suggest is to try out a Buddy Guy or Clapton Strat and see if you like the sound.

I found the mid-boost does add quite a bit of bass to the mix but nothing a little tweak of the amp or EQ can't sort out.

If I do get round to recording some samples I'll make sure I post them here for you.

Good luck and keep us posted on how you get on.

Andy

_________________
Pending Greatness


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Wiring Help Request - Fender Mid boost with the S-1 Swit
Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 8:44 pm
Offline
Hobbyist
Hobbyist

Joined: Sun Dec 19, 2010 1:07 am
Posts: 17
Location: Washington
Hey guys
So I'm sure you hear it enough already from others :wink: but I'm a newbie here on the forum (this is literally my first post). Im really interested in wiring for the mid boost with S-1, but I dont know how I would do that with Fender Vintage Noiseless pickups. Any pointers?

Carter

Edit - I notice you say that when wiring standard 2-wire pickups (in my case 4 for noiseless singles, but essentially 2), you say to ignore the green wires. Do you really not need grounds on all pickups?

Edit 2 - Also, in addition to the super switch and the .022 cap, is there anything else I need for this mod (besides the mid boost kit)?


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Wiring Help Request - Fender Mid boost with the S-1 Swit
Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 4:26 am
Offline
Professional Musician
Professional Musician
User avatar

Joined: Tue Dec 01, 2009 9:22 am
Posts: 2175
Howdy and Welcome Carter!

CarterTimm wrote:
Hey guys
So I'm sure you hear it enough already from others :wink: but I'm a newbie here on the forum (this is literally my first post). Im really interested in wiring for the mid boost with S-1, but I dont know how I would do that with Fender Vintage Noiseless pickups. Any pointers?

Edit - I notice you say that when wiring standard 2-wire pickups (in my case 4 for noiseless singles, but essentially 2), you say to ignore the green wires. Do you really not need grounds on all pickups?

The Neck and Bridge pickups will be grounded on the S-1 Switch. The Middle pups gound wire goes to ground, so your covered.

I had the S-1 and the Mid-boost kit working with a set of Hot Noiseless but didn't like the HN with the boost. I reckon the VN's will work well here.

CarterTimm wrote:
Edit 2 - Also, in addition to the super switch and the .022 cap, is there anything else I need for this mod (besides the mid boost kit)?

Nope, Just remember to swap the carbon trace in the S-1 with the 50k one that comes with the Mid boost kit.

Good luck and let us know how it goes or if you have any more questions. :D

Andy

_________________
Pending Greatness


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Wiring Help Request - Fender Mid boost with the S-1 Swit
Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 9:23 am
Offline
Hobbyist
Hobbyist

Joined: Sun Dec 19, 2010 1:07 am
Posts: 17
Location: Washington
Dude thank you so much!

One last question... Kind of a tech thing but with the vintage noiseless pups, do I still need to shield the body?

Also how did you fit the battery and the board in your guitar? I was thinking about routing it out like on the Clapton strat, which isn't an issue as I have access to a luthery shop, but is there another way without having to clip off the corner of the circuit board? And I don't really want to have to take off the pickguard for a battery change...

Thanks again!
Carter


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Wiring Help Request - Fender Mid boost with the S-1 Swit
Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 9:12 am
Offline
Professional Musician
Professional Musician
User avatar

Joined: Tue Dec 01, 2009 9:22 am
Posts: 2175
CarterTimm wrote:
Dude thank you so much!

One last question... Kind of a tech thing but with the vintage noiseless pups, do I still need to shield the body?

Nah, With Noiseless pups Its pretty much a waste of time and money IMO.

CarterTimm wrote:
Also how did you fit the battery and the board in your guitar? I was thinking about routing it out like on the Clapton strat, which isn't an issue as I have access to a luthery shop, but is there another way without having to clip off the corner of the circuit board? And I don't really want to have to take off the pickguard for a battery change...

Without removing timber to create a space for the PCB, the corner will need to be chopped.

If your handy with a router then why not make the necessary cavities for the mid boost kit and the battery, just like a Clapton or Powerhouse Strat?

If you don't fancy that then the battery can be wedged in-between the springs in the trem cavity for a quick fix. I removed a small amount of timber to squeeze the battery under the pickguard but I'd recommend making a cavity near the trem springs, which is a much better placement.

Hope this helps

Andy

_________________
Pending Greatness


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Wiring Help Request - Fender Mid boost with the S-1 Swit
Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 5:45 pm
Offline
Hobbyist
Hobbyist

Joined: Sun Dec 19, 2010 1:07 am
Posts: 17
Location: Washington
Thanks a ton! Yeah I'm gonna end up routing it then. I've got a buddy who's a luthier.

One last thing... I can't seem to find any white S-1 knobs anywhere? Got a source?

Carter


Top
Profile
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 96 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7  Next
Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7  Next

All times are UTC - 7 hours

Fender Play Winter Sale 2020

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to: