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i was wandering. Are the pots on here high friction or low and why does it matter?

Hello!

By high / low friction do you mean how easy it is to pysically turn the pot?

If so the S-1 switch and the pots that came with the mid boost can be turned with my liitle finger no probs.

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i need help. My friend is paying me to put one in his strat but im having problems putting the stuff together(which locking washers go where and etc...) and the wiring diagrams arent't real helpful(need actual instructions, maybe an online video) Can anyone tell me what washers go where and what to do if i dont have a body cavity grounding lug?


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hdavenport15 wrote:
i need help. My friend is paying me to put one in his strat but im having problems putting the stuff together(which locking washers go where and etc...) and the wiring diagrams arent't real helpful(need actual instructions, maybe an online video) Can anyone tell me what washers go where and what to do if i dont have a body cavity grounding lug?


Hello!

Washers: The washers (spikey ones?) will go on the inside of a control cavity or the back of a pickguard/ scratchplate. They help to keep the pots in place. The flat washer goes top side and will be hidden by the volume/tone knobs.

Grounding lug: Use a small screw instead.

Can you let me know whats going in the Strat?
Is it the S-1 Switch and the midboost kit together?
What pickups are you using?

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well there is no S-1 switch, its just the 50k volume, stacked TBX, and the 250k for the mid boost. Does it matter where in the cavity i screw it in with the wires? Can the wires touch the body? What happens if it does?(Btw its Vintage Noisless Pickups)


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I need help with this... I grounded everything, checked my connections, and no sound. It doesnt do anything and I cant figure out what is wrong. Any suggestions?(btw its a brand new battery i bought today)


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hdavenport15 wrote:
I need help with this... I grounded everything, checked my connections, and no sound. It doesnt do anything and I cant figure out what is wrong. Any suggestions?(btw its a brand new battery i bought today)

Hello!

Just like to say at this point that I am an amature guitar builder/ mod-man and have had no formal training in electronics or luthery so I would recommend getting a second opinion on my advice (just to be sure!). I will help where I can.

This is what I would do...

Check the Stereo Jack connections: Have you wired the stereo jack plug correctly? Its not to clear on the some diagrams but this is important becauce the extra connection on the stereo jack is used as a switch for the active electronics. The link below has diagram 14 for you to check.

http://www.stewmac.com/freeinfo/Electro ... 000_8.html

Double check everything again. You could print out the following diagram then check and cross of every correctly connected wire to be sure. Make sure that none of the "hot" or "+" wires are grounding out anywhere.

http://www.fender.com/support/diagrams/ ... 02APg2.pdf

If there is still no joy after following the above quickly check you guitar lead and amp (just to be sure!)

I would also recommend starting a new topic to gain the interest of some of the more quailifed members (as there are some truly jedi-like indivduals whos advice would benifit you greatly)

Let me know how it goes and/or to confirm whether the above advice is sound (as i'm very much still learning myself)

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I checked everything and still, the Middle Pup doesnt work right(real faint) and the volume is still screwing up(only works when turned up all the way; 8-10) It makes this real loud hum(like a synthesizer almost) when turned down past 8. I really dont wanna pay for someone to look at it and have to rewire it($60-$110)


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Post subject: Request for diagrams
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I am modding my Squier VM w. a mid boost kit and an S1 pot & super switch that I got online. I am also putting in new SCN pickups.

I am a novice when it comes to wiring guitars. Thus far I have build a Farraday Cage (even though I am using noiseless pickups) and I have installed everything, but I have not done any wiring and I'm finding it a little daunting to do the S1 and the mid boost kit in conjunction.

For the people who have done this, do you have a diagram that you made in prep that you could scan or link in any way?

I'm tempted to bring it to a local luthier, but I'd like to do it myself if I can.

Also, here's the link to the S1 switch pot I purchased http://www.darrenriley.com/shop/cart.ph ... ail&p=1446

Other than that and the included capacitor, and the super 5 way switch...Is that all I need to do the S1 other than the knob cover, or am I missing something.

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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:44 am
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ryhaigh wrote:
I am modding my Squier VM w. a mid boost kit and an S1 pot & super switch that I got online. I am also putting in new SCN pickups.

I am a novice when it comes to wiring guitars. Thus far I have build a Farraday Cage (even though I am using noiseless pickups) and I have installed everything, but I have not done any wiring and I'm finding it a little daunting to do the S1 and the mid boost kit in conjunction.

For the people who have done this, do you have a diagram that you made in prep that you could scan or link in any way?

I'm tempted to bring it to a local luthier, but I'd like to do it myself if I can.

Also, here's the link to the S1 switch pot I purchased http://www.darrenriley.com/shop/cart.ph ... ail&p=1446

Other than that and the included capacitor, and the super 5 way switch...Is that all I need to do the S1 other than the knob cover, or am I missing something.

Thanks,

Ryan

Hi Ryan,

I have just finished installing an S-1 switch with the midboost and lace hot gold pups and it rocks!

I'm pretty busy at the moment but i will sit down soon (over next couple of days) and bosh out a step by step guide for you to follow.

In the mean time I'd check to make sure that everything will fit in the cavity as i had to make a little more room for the battery. I'd also recommend you swap the 250k carbon trace in the S-1 switch fo the 50k volume that came with the Mid-boost kit (see Pcheng and Martian earlier posts regarding this).

I'll be back with more soon (promise!)

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Thanks Andy!

Before you go to the trouble, let me ask you a few follow up questions:

1) The lace sensor hot golds are also what I was thinking of at one point but I heard on another forum (apparently incorrectly) that active pickups don't work with the S1 setup. I am assuming you can confirm that they do indeed work? If so, please keep any wiring diagrams arranged for the ls hot golds because that's what I will go for. (My first instinct was hot noiseless too, and I was very disappointed when I found this post and discovered your results).

2) Did you do the "hot bridge" mod, moving it from 6k to 13.2k? I'm assuming that this gives you a meatier sound, but the pups are already hot and with the clapton tbx and mid boost I am worried about things getting really muddy and an overly thick lower tone. The combo of these things could be great and could be awesome in terms of mimicking a humbucker sound etc. I was just wondering whether you could comment on whether you get an overly mid-low range tone or if it still has a lot of range on the high end depending on your pup selection etc.

3) I was thinking of installing the clapton mid boost kit according to this site: http://www.areyouexperienced.net/fender ... st_kit.htm

Is that what you did, and if so, where did you need to carve out more room and what did you use to do it?

Thanks a ton Andy, and to everyone else who posted on this thread previously.

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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 5:40 pm
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Ryan,

Dude, you are very welcome!

I'll answer your questions as best I can. I have only been building and moding guitars in my spare time for 3-4 years now and would recommend you get a second opinon on my views. Just in case!
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Before you go to the trouble, let me ask you a few follow up questions:

1) The lace sensor hot golds are also what I was thinking of at one point but I heard on another forum (apparently incorrectly) that active pickups don't work with the S1 setup. I am assuming you can confirm that they do indeed work? If so, please keep any wiring diagrams arranged for the ls hot golds because that's what I will go for. (My first instinct was hot noiseless too, and I was very disappointed when I found this post and discovered your results).

Not sure if I've read your post correctly so forgive me for the follwing. The LHGs are passive pickups and only become active with on board pre-amps etc (like the clapton mid boost). I only mention this because i've read posts eslewhere where Lace sensors are mistaken for EMGs.

Anyway...

Yes! the LHGs will work with the S-1 switch. I e-mailed Mike Glendinning at Lace HQ who gave me the wiring colour translations for the S-1 wiring on the fender deluxe diagram. Very handy.

The Hot Noiseless are great pups and sounded slightly better with the S-1 switch than the LHGs, but I only slightly (this was just before i installed the mid boost).

If you haven't already, go and try out the Lace sensors before you buy as they are very much a love it or hate it sound. I play through a Line 6 PODX3 most of the time and I have a set of lace colours (Red, Sliver, Blue) and the Hot Golds and love them both.
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2) Did you do the "hot bridge" mod, moving it from 6k to 13.2k? I'm assuming that this gives you a meatier sound, but the pups are already hot and with the clapton tbx and mid boost I am worried about things getting really muddy and an overly thick lower tone. The combo of these things could be great and could be awesome in terms of mimicking a humbucker sound etc. I was just wondering whether you could comment on whether you get an overly mid-low range tone or if it still has a lot of range on the high end depending on your pup selection etc.

The LHGs single coil sets come 2 types. No mods here

3 single coils all at 6k
2 single coils at 6k and a 13.2k bridge

I have the set with the 13.2k bridge pickup and found it to be well balanced and not as beefy as i thought. It sounds nothing like a humbucker, just a hot single coil bridge pup. Very usable. If your looking for a Humbucker sound get a humbucker. I'm fairly sure you could wire up an S-1 Switch, the mid boost, 2 single coils and a humbucker.

To my ears the Mid boost does thicken the bottom end a bit. From 1-7 its great, adds even more sustain and some welcome grunt. Even on ten i roll the volume back a bit and its fine. The TBX does give the impression of brightening things up a little when needed.
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3) I was thinking of installing the clapton mid boost kit according to this site: http://www.areyouexperienced.net/fender ... st_kit.htm

Is that what you did, and if so, where did you need to carve out more room and what did you use to do it?


Hummm...where to start! I used quality 2mm hook up wire which takes up a lot of room comapred to the thiner stuff so the S-1 wiring prevented me from fitting the battery inbetween the switch and the volume pot and i wanted the TBX in the middle with the Mid boost pot at the bottom. To achive this I had to increase the cavity in two places.

1. Remove timber from inbetween the lower half of the middle and bridge pup cavitys to house the PCB

2. Dig in to the body a liittle just under the bottom mid boost pot to slip the battery in. Had to do this cos the TBX takes up all spare room.

I have built a couple of solid guitar bodies from scratch and know what i'm doing as far a carpentry goes. I would not recommend altering the body of your guitar unless you know what your doing.

I hope this helps

Let me know if there is anything I can help with

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Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 10:14 am
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Hey Andy,

Ok...I think I am ready to wire everything up. When you have time, do you think you can provide the schematics you mentioned?

I don't know if its proper to submit my email address in a post on this forum or not. If you have any ideas on the best way to get that information across, please let me know.

And again, thank you so much for all your help!

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ryhaigh wrote:
Hey Andy,

Ok...I think I am ready to wire everything up. When you have time, do you think you can provide the schematics you mentioned?

I don't know if its proper to submit my email address in a post on this forum or not. If you have any ideas on the best way to get that information across, please let me know.

And again, thank you so much for all your help!

Ryan

Hello Ryan! How you do'in!

No worries mate! Tis a pleasure! Its group effort, as i wouldn't have cracked it if it wasn't for Martian and Pcheng confirming that it was possible in the first place!

No need to post your E-mail address. I'll do a drawing, scan it and post it as a pic here for all to see. Should be up in the next couple of days (My work commitments are pretty heavy at the moment but I'll get the pic's up ASAP).

In the mean time...

Just wondering what pups you settled on? (I'll post one drawing with Lace Sensors and one with standard pups so if anyone else wants to try the mod out they can).

Thanks again for your kind words

Enjoy!

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Post subject: Andy's S-1 and Mid Boost Custom Wiring Diagram
Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 8:45 am
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Here is a diagram for wiring 3 Lace Sensor Pickups with the S-1 Switch and the Clapton Mid Boost Kit. If you want to wire up standard two wire pups ignore the green pup wires and you should be fine.

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And here is the real thing. The additional DPDT switch is an on switch for the bridge pup....yep i'm greedy when it come to pickup selection

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Hope this helps and let us know how you get on.

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Wow Andy,

That's awesome. Thanks a ton. I actually went with some hot golds with the hot bridge, so that's perfect. The color coding makes a huge difference too. WAY better than any of those diagrams on the Fender website that you have to mix and match to cover this project.

I have just a few questions to clarify as I am still somewhat of a novice at reading wiring schematics.

1) So the green wires off the pups are grounds?
If so, where did you ground them to?

2) On the middle pickup, the white wire appears to be going to ground too. Where did you ground it to?

3) With respect to the black grounds, so you run them all to the back of the TBX tone pot and then you run one wire for ground to the trem claw AND one to the body? (To clarify, 2 grounds coming from the TBX pot, one to trem claw, one to body?)

4) The TBX tone control pot has what looks to be a resistor on the left, is that right? If so, what wattage resistor did you use?

5) Is that a cap on the right of the TBX control? I was thinking of using a sprague .022 if so, but I'd be curious to know what you used there.

6) What's the "SC" on the S-1 pot? Is that the cap that came with the switch? If so, did you stick with it, or change it out for a different cap?

7) Finally, I was looking at the S-1 pot last night and I was wondering if you have any soldering advice. My thought was to tin the wires and then put them through the little holes and just hit it with a tiny bit of solder to lock it in the hole. The only issue I anticipated was that once I tin the wires, they may be tough to get in those little holes?

How did you go about it and what size wire did you use?

Andy, as always, you rock. You just saved me around a 100 bucks and passed on some knowledge that let me do this myself, which is always gratifying in itself.

Thanks again,

Ryan


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