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Post subject: Two Wire Strat Pickups Lead Colors vs Winding/Polarity
Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 1:26 pm
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A couple questions about Fender Strat single coil pickup lead wire colors. Am I correct to assume that when a Fender Strat two wire pickup has a yellow and black hookup wires that it is reverse wound/reverse polarity? Mainly talking about the custom shop pickups but if this is not the norm with the rest of their pickup sets for Strat's please advise. Also, does the Custom Shop '54s have a pickup in the set of three that does have a yellow and black leads where the other two pickups have white and black?

I know the Fat 50's have a middle pickup that is reverse wound/reverse polarity and it does have the yellow and black leads this is what makes me think that this is normal to indicate the winding and polarity.

Also is there a way to identify which Fender Strat pickups are which without a sealed box to identify what they are?

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Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 1:46 pm
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I don't know about the CS 54s but the stock middle pickup had a yellow lead before I put in my Fat 50s.
Elaborate more on that last question. Are you wanting to know which is the bridge, neck, etc or what the resistances are for different sets?


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Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 4:52 pm
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I don't need to know where which one goes, I'm not having any problems. I just want to know if it is a standard practice in Fender's production of 2 wire Strat pickups to have the middle pickup leads yellow and black to indicate that it is RWRP for such wound pickups. I realize that if they are all wound the same they have the same black and white lead wires. It's pretty much a logical deduction with the yellow and black wires which would lend to a means to ID a RWRP.

The other question was simply how to ID a pickup such as which model they are. Unique charistics that would point to a certain pickup as a means to ID them.

I have a set of supposed Custom Shop 54's (already installed when I acquired) where the middle pickup has a yellow and black wire and from the information I've read about the CS54 pickups they do not have a reverse wound/reverse polarity middle pickup. I could be wrong, but would like to know for future reference.

Fat 50's have such colored wires on the middle pickup, I know this because I install these all the time in assemblies I am selling and I know that it is also RWRP. That is why I ask the basic question of the colored wiring for other pickup sets.

Short of purchasing a brand new set of CS54's and taking a look at them and then knowing for sure I'd like to save the $150.00+, since I have no desire to purchase another set.


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Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 6:39 pm
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I am following up to the RWRP question. I have more knowledge as an amp tech for over 25 years than electric guitar pups, but I am building a strat and have chosen Fender Fat 50"s. When you buy the set, no pots , detailed schematics or capacitor/s are included, whereas I obtained all this good stuff with cheaper fender vintage noisless and fender 57/62 pickup packages.
Of course the Fat 50's box does incude surgical tubing and hardware for mounting pups to the pickguard, as with all fender sets. I like the springs better for mounting. That's nice. The 50's look well constructed, really good material and most importantly have great shiney solder joints. Moving on.

All you get for $160 is simply 3 pups, the middle pup has the black and yellow wiring (is black to ground / yellow to hot?); the neck pup has a dark blue dot on the back with std black/white(hot) wiring; the remaining bridge pup has a red dot on the back and blk/white wiring. The schematic is really a layout - unfortunately fender does not mention which value pots (USE CTS) are recommended for the three positions. I guess I'll use 3 250k values for all, unless someone can tell me whay I should not do this; also will use 2 tone mica caps, a .022uf and a .047uf value. I have always like that tone shaping, anyone suggest differently and why? I also intend to use the 5-way spring switch. It's a shame that most all the layouts from fender's site show pot values, caps values, resistor values (if used) with each guitar's "specs" selection.

I just am not confident enough about how exactly these pups should be installed and the related hardware to use - and I would be most grateful to hear from anyone "in the know" here at the Forum or to email at 104terrace@att.net . Thanks much! Chris[/b]


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Posted: Sat Aug 14, 2010 8:35 pm
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yes most RW/RP Fenders have the yellow hot wire, and black is VERY common to be the ground (coil neutral wire).

The cap values you suggest would be good. Wiring the switch so that the lower tone control does the bridge is a good idea as the Strat bridge pups can be pretty harsh (ice pick) and use the .047µF there.


The upper tone can do the N & M. Ask if you want to do that mod and I'll send directions.

YES on ALL the 250K pots..........audio taper.


> how exactly these pups should be installed <

Did I miss anything ??


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>The other question was simply how to ID a pickup such as which model they are. Unique charistics that would point to a certain pickup as a means to ID them. <


There is some difference in resistance values of the models so that would be a way.

Pole bevel or if they are staggered or not.


ALL custom shop pups have cloth covered wires.


Different coil wire is used on different models.............a pic of them would help I.D. too.


CS 54 do not have a RW/RP.

RW/RP sets:

Fat 50's
Texas Specials
Tex Mex ( they are NOT Custom Shop)

You can get a set of 57/62 with a RW/RP but most over the counter DO NOT have it.


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Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 8:53 pm
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Thanks so much for the reply! Big help to me.

yes, please send me the mod directions if you find time,

Chris
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