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Post subject: Classic Player series. Does Fender lie?
Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 1:14 pm
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Hello to everybody!

This is my first post in this forum ;)



I bought a couple of weeks ago a Classic Player 60s strat, which (is supposed to) have the Custom Shop 69 pickups.

As far as I know, these pickups are "created, dated, and initialed by Abigail Ybarra"...

I had a set of them in the past which had the initials of her etc, and a dark gray bobbin:

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BUT today I took of the pickguard of my CP60s, and besides that the pickups didn't have the CS sticker, the initials of Abigail, etc the bobbin had a pale gray color...

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I've read somewhere from other CP60s owners that the first models DID have signed and dated CS69 pickups...

So this made me think:

1) Either Fender lies to its customers, by not puting anymore original CS69 pickups in the Classic Player 60s series. It's not the first time that they do it as you all know: at first, they advertised that the CP strat series had full size STEEL block, which was not true...

OR

2) They decided to put some kind of "bulk" CS69 pickups, (maybe not "aproved" by Abigail), in order to reduce the cost of the production...



What's your opinion?


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Post subject: Re: Classic Player series. Does Fender lie?
Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 1:37 pm
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elavd wrote:
Hello to everybody!

This is my first post in this forum ;)



I bought a couple of weeks ago a Classic Player 60s strat, which (is supposed to) have the Custom Shop 69 pickups.

As far as I know, these pickups are "created, dated, and initialed by Abigail Ybarra"...

I had a set of them in the past which had the initials of her etc, and a dark gray bobbin:

'69 PU's but Custom Shop designed for Fender Mexico with grey bobbin.
I got a Classic Player Baja Telecaster also with '69 PU's, a Broadcaster
bridge PU and ''twisted'' tele neck PU.
Great sounding 8)

Peter

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BUT today I took of the pickguard of my CP60s, and besides that the pickups didn't have the CS sticker, the initials of Abigail, etc the bobbin had a pale gray color...

Image
I've read somewhere from other CP60s owners that the first models DID have signed and dated CS69 pickups...

So this made me think:

1) Either Fender lies to its customers, by not puting anymore original CS69 pickups in the Classic Player 60s series. It's not the first time that they do it as you all know: at first, they advertised that the CP strat series had full size STEEL block, which was not true...

OR

2) They decided to put some kind of "bulk" CS69 pickups, (maybe not "aproved" by Abigail), in order to reduce the cost of the production...



What's your opinion?


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Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 1:43 pm
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Custom Shop Designed For MEXICO '69 PU's grey bobbins.
I have a Classic Player Baja Telecaster with '69s in it, a Broadcaster
bridge PU and a ''twisted'' tele neck PU.
Great sounding, but Custom Shop designed for Fender Mexico.

Peter


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Post subject: Re: Classic Player series. Does Fender lie?
Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 3:38 pm
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elavd wrote:
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This is my first post in this forum ;)


Firstly, welcome to the forums! Your post has merit and I'm going to let it fly, but ... I think it could have been done a tad more tactfully. Please review the forums' "welcome" message -- respect for others and for the organization is paramount 'round these parts.

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Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 10:46 am
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Without hearing them, I would say that they are CS69s. Fender went through a period recently following the re-assignment of Abby to the Masterbuilders where many, and I mean many, CS69 pups were sent out without Abby's initials. Some sent their pickups back to get pups with the initials because that is a very important part of these pickups for many of us. And it's also a fact that you will never see Custom Shop stickers on pickups that are original equipment with a Fender Strat. Stickers are for aftermarket pickups only. I have seen this many times.

Keep this in mind also because it is an often misunderstood... When Fender says that the CS69 is "created" by Abby, what that really means is that they are made under her supervison. She was in charge of the Custom Shop pickup dept. for many years, and while she does wind pickups herself, she doesn't wind all of them. But she does put her stamp of approval on all those pickups, because they are her responsibility. But she does not personally wind every CS69.

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Post subject: Re: Classic Player series. Does Fender lie?
Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 11:01 am
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Brad Traweek - Fender wrote:
elavd wrote:
Hello to everybody!

This is my first post in this forum ;)


Firstly, welcome to the forums! Your post has merit and I'm going to let it fly, but ... I think it could have been done a tad more tactfully. Please review the forums' "welcome" message -- respect for others and for the organization is paramount 'round these parts.


Brad sorry if my post violated the rules of the forum, but unfortunately:

1) my English is not best...
2) I was very upset when I wrote this post...

Meanwhile I searched this issue more and I found out (as SMark said) Fender doesn't put a sticker on the pickups that are not sold separately as a set.

But (although this doesn't affect the sound of the pickups) unfortunately the new CP60s are not dated or initialed either, in contrast to the first CP60s that were produced.

Fender's specs about CS69 mention that the all 3 pickups have a DC resistance of 5.8k.
So I decided to see if my pickups have the same resistance too...

I took off the pickguard and unsoldered the pickups in order to measure the resistance with a Digital Multimeter.

I was pleasantly surprised when I found out that my pickups had very close resistance values to the nominal ones!

BRIDGE PICKUP:

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MIDDLE PICKUP:

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NECK PICKUP:

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After all this information I think this:

Probably Fender has a great sales demand for the CP60s models and so the production of these specific pickups was transfered to Mexico too. They are made according to the Custom Shop specs, but they are not Custom Shop made...


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Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 1:04 pm
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You can also see that the pickups have cloth wound wiring. This is the case with all the custom shop pups ive seen, so that also makes me think they are CS.


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