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Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 12:29 pm
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i have a fender strat deluxe HSS,and i want to change the dh 1 humbucker pickups because its too sensitive.if i use distortion it will going feedback,which seymour duncan pickups humbucker that be match with the SCN pickups thanks


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Not sure about Seymour Duncans but I had a PRS HFS pickup in my HSS setup with SCNs and really liked it. The HFS is the standard bridge pickup on PRS 24 series guitars. It was a great tonal compliment to the SCNs.

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Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 4:26 pm
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i have a fender strat deluxe HSS,and i want to change the dh 1 humbucker pickups because its too sensitive.if i use distortion it will going feedback,which seymour duncan pickups humbucker that be match with the SCN pickups thanks


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If you like the sound of the DH-1 and feedback is your only issue, have the pickup coil saturated. It will stop the feedback and would also be cheaper than the cost of a new pickup.

If you are committed to changing the DH-1 to a Duncan, if it were me, I'd choose a Duncan Custom.

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I've never heard of saturating the magnets as a way of reducing feedback... only as a method of supposedly revitalizing old, worn-out pups.

Perhaps Martian was referring to "potting" the pickups, which means soaking them in hot wax and letting the wax cool around the coils, which reduces microphonics. The more actual audio from the air the pickup will... well, pick up... the more likely they are to produce a nasty high-pitched "squeal" when using more gain, and wax potting will prevent this.

But you say the guitar is a Strat Deluxe, and mention the DH-1, so it's an American Deluxe. That pickup shouldn't be microphonic, so I'm going to guess that you're playing really loud and standing close to your amp.

You could reduce the pickup's sensitivity (and improve it's tone, IMO) by lowering it flush with the pickguard and see if that helps. If not, well... is there a humbucker that doesn't feed back when you stand lose to a really loud source? I dunno.


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I've never heard of saturating the magnets as a way of reducing feedback... only as a method of supposedly revitalizing old, worn-out pups.

Perhaps Martian was referring to "potting" the pickups, which means soaking them in hot wax and letting the wax cool around the coils, which reduces microphonics. The more actual audio from the air the pickup will... well, pick up... the more likely they are to produce a nasty high-pitched "squeal" when using more gain, and wax potting will prevent this.

But you say the guitar is a Strat Deluxe, and mention the DH-1, so it's an American Deluxe. That pickup shouldn't be microphonic, so I'm going to guess that you're playing really loud and standing close to your amp.

You could reduce the pickup's sensitivity (and improve it's tone, IMO) by lowering it flush with the pickguard and see if that helps. If not, well... is there a humbucker that doesn't feed back when you stand lose to a really loud source? I dunno.


Actually, I said saturating the, "coil" when it should have been plural, the, "coils". This IS the wax bath. Notwithstanding, the magnet would get the bath along with the coils but being a solid piece of metal or ceramic, the magnet would not absorb any of the wax. Rather, it would merely get coated. Regardless, the magnet has no bearing on reducing feedback nor will dipping it in wax rejuvenate it any way, shape or form.

Potting a pickup is not wax saturation. Rather, it is encapsulating it in resin or some such sealant which of itself, would not help reduce feedback. Rather, it only holds the pickup's hardware (usually permanently) together. Ironically, once potted, it would be virtually impossible to then wax saturate the coils (if) ever again.

If the gain you play at causes the pickup to feedback, the height of the pickup would be irrelevant as the loose, vibrating coils will regenerate the sound coming from the guitar through the amp back through the loose coils again.

Many superior pickup manufacturers do in fact, dip the majority of their pickup models in a wax bath but oftentimes, they don't leave them in their long enough to truly saturate the coils in their entirety. It is not uncommon for the wax to not penetrate the innermost windings of the coil(s). I presume this deficiency is due to mass production scheduling. Never presume that merely because you see wax on a pickup that it is fully saturated.

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Martian: "saturating" a pickup is the term for re-charging the magnets.

"Potting" is the term for soaking it in wax.


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SlapChop wrote:
Martian: "saturating" a pickup is the term for re-charging the magnets.

"Potting" is the term for soaking it in wax.


I'm aware of magnetic saturation, that's why I specified wax as these processes are two entirely separate entities. As to potting, I'm aware of this extremely popular misnomer; let us agree to disagree.

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Martian wrote:
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As to potting, I'm aware of this extremely popular misnomer; let us agree to disagree.


Yeah, so popular that it's what everybody who ever did it calls it.

And you didn't specify wax in your first post, where you simply suggested "saturating" the pickup (in what? Water? Vodka?) as a means of controlling feed back, without bothering to determine what the OP meant by "feedback." Hard to imaigne that a pickup on an MIA Deluxe needs potting, like the ones on a cheap Squire.

I'm standing by my post. "Potting" is not a misnomer, unless every pickup manufacturer and guitar tech is wrong.


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SlapChop wrote:
I've never heard of saturating the magnets as a way of reducing feedback... only as a method of supposedly revitalizing old, worn-out pups.

Perhaps Martian was referring to "potting" the pickups, which means soaking them in hot wax and letting the wax cool around the coils, which reduces microphonics. The more actual audio from the air the pickup will... well, pick up... the more likely they are to produce a nasty high-pitched "squeal" when using more gain, and wax potting will prevent this.

But you say the guitar is a Strat Deluxe, and mention the DH-1, so it's an American Deluxe. That pickup shouldn't be microphonic, so I'm going to guess that you're playing really loud and standing close to your amp.

You could reduce the pickup's sensitivity (and improve it's tone, IMO) by lowering it flush with the pickguard and see if that helps. If not, well... is there a humbucker that doesn't feed back when you stand lose to a really loud source? I dunno.
im ready try to lowering the pickups screw but the pickups its still microphonic and feedback all the time im using crunch box distortion with the gain level at 10 o'clock,it is something wrong with my deluxe strat???


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guys i want to ask the problem is maybe from the pickups or from the guitar?????, and how many dc resistance output from the dh 1 and SCN pickups the dh1 pickups is high output or medium output thx guys


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Turn the distrortion down a bit. Tap the guitar body around the pickup with the strings dampend and listen for unwanted popping kind of noises. If you hear any that arent much the same as when you tap any other part of the guitar it could well be a pickup problem. Infact select a different pickup setting and check what the guitar sounds like on a problem free setting.

If you hear any kind of rattle, squeals and pops its likely that the pickup is microphonic. Are your other pickups scn's or standard fender models. If they are standard you could have a reversewound reverse polarity middle pickup which can cause some horrible sounds when selected with a humbucker.
Either way i defer to the two very knowledgable posters above. If they say im wrong, im wrong.

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nikininja wrote:
Turn the distrortion down a bit. Tap the guitar body around the pickup with the strings dampend and listen for unwanted popping kind of noises. If you hear any that arent much the same as when you tap any other part of the guitar it could well be a pickup problem. Infact select a different pickup setting and check what the guitar sounds like on a problem free setting.

If you hear any kind of rattle, squeals and pops its likely that the pickup is microphonic. Are your other pickups scn's or standard fender models. If they are standard you could have a reversewound reverse polarity middle pickup which can cause some horrible sounds when selected with a humbucker.
Either way i defer to the two very knowledgable posters above. If they say im wrong, im wrong.


Well, of course it's not impossible that the pickup is microphonic., Just not likely that a DH-1 'bucker would be... s'all I'm sayin.


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do you how many DC resistance in DH 1 & SCN pickups, and what magnet pickups is use in DH 1 is ceramic or alnico magnet???? thanks


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