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Post subject: David gilmour emg or fender'69 pup's?
Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 8:37 am
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Was wanting some input and feedback on these pickups. From what I understand they both give about the same range and tone. But, dont want to spend the $300 on the gilmour emg's if I can get the same results with the $190 69's. I'm still pretty new to playing but lean more to the blues style of play. How do these pups respond on classic rock tunes? Also if anyone has any advice on how to hear these two setups side by side. I would appreciate any advice and suggestions. Thanks in advance!


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Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 11:20 am
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The 69's are best for pre A momentary lapse of reasons Pink Floyd
and the EMG's are best for Division Bell, PULSE tones, the pickups are completely different sounding.

The 69's are clean low output singlecoils and the emg's are high output humbucker like single coils...

http://www.gilmourish.com/?p=192
http://www.gilmourish.com/?page_id=68

Check out those sites.....

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Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 5:14 pm
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Thanks for the links! The set up in the 1st link is near exactly what I had in mind. The 2nd link had no audio but still gave a helpfull description. Thanks for your personal input as well.

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I dont think the emg SA's are humbucking sounding pickups but yes they are high output and really quiet by the way :)


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Tonally, these two sets of pups are quite different.

The '69s have good tight bass and a bell-like top-end with scooped mids. They are very crystaline and kind of sparkly, if that makes any sense.

The EMG's bottom end is looser, they have way more mids, and don't quite sparkle like the top end of the '69s do. However, the expander control makes up for that a bit, kind of boosting the entire range, especially the lows and highs. It makes the pups sound a bit hi-fi in my opinion. The presence control pretty much acts as a clean boost across the board, just fattening up the entire signal.


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Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 1:45 am
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The EMGs are really brilliant: I've got a set on a Strat and I'll never get rid of them. But I have another Strat too with a more usual set of electronics.

BUT: They are very distinctive sounding - they have a very even response curve, and there is not a trace of vintage Strat character to them at all. You get out of them exactly what you put in, nothing more and nothing less. They have plenty of mid range and the output is high with no noise, so you can run them through any EQ you like and they'll sound however you want.

To give you an idea of the sound of the EMGs: the intro from Coming Back To Life on TDB is played with the neck pickup (switching to bridge near the end), with the EX-G control turned way up, just into a clean tube amp. The clean solo at the start of Shine On on Pulse is done with the nick pickup and the SPC control turned up. Turning the SPC control up on the bridge pickup makes it sound like a humbucker.

You get no "normal" tone control in the EMG DG set, which means you can't roll off the highs like you might want to for blues work.

If you want your Strat to sound really stratty, I'd say go with the vintage pickups. If you're specifically after Gilmour's Momentary Lapse/Division Bell tones, then go with the EMGs but be aware that you might find yourself wanting another Strat!

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Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 6:58 pm
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Sidestepping Gilmour entirely for a moment:

If you say you want to get into Classic Rock and Blues, I'd rule out the EMGs entirely. You'd have to use several pre-amps (pedals) to get a lot of the tones you would be looking for. See, dynamically, EMGS have too wide a frequency response due to their own preamps and so, their overall sound would have to be shaped and tailored to your intended stylings. Otherwise, like so many people complain, they either sound too flat in all areas or too intense in all areas. Above all, you will never get that nice harmonic break up like you would with high impedance (regular) pickups. In spite of it all, the EMGs will still sound a bit processed. Again, I'm basing this on the totality of your intended stylings as I've been at them for over 40 years now and am also quite familiar with both the EMGs and the 69s, which segues me to:

I'd also rule out the 69s as they are too 'thin' for many of your applications. Here too, you'll most likely wind up using preamps and with these being single coils, you'll be ramping up the hum too.

What pickups are you using now?

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Posted: Fri May 15, 2009 6:09 am
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Sidestepping Gilmour entirely for a moment:

If you say you want to get into Classic Rock and Blues, I'd rule out the EMGs entirely. You'd have to use several pre-amps (pedals) to get a lot of the tones you would be looking for. See, dynamically, EMGS have too wide a frequency response due to their own preamps and so, their overall sound would have to be shaped and tailored to your intended stylings. Otherwise, like so many people complain, they either sound too flat in all areas or too intense in all areas. Above all, you will never get that nice harmonic break up like you would with high impedance (regular) pickups. In spite of it all, the EMGs will still sound a bit processed.


Well, that's not entirely true, Martian.

When you lay down the standard smack about "EMG's," you're forgetting that EMG makes a lot of different pickups, and they all sound different. It's true that SA's are quite flat compared to most passive pickups. But EMG SV's are voiced with a frequency curve that matches a set of vintage pickups they had at EMG... that and the exposed, staggered pole pieces give the SV's an extremely "stratty" sound, with the added benefit of being the quietest pickups in EMG's entire line (virtually zero self noise).

Mine don't sound "processed" at all (whatever that means... the idea that EMG introduce their own compression or processing into the signal just doesn't wash). They sound like a Strat... they just don't hum. I've had people try to convince me that 60-cycle buzz is poart of the Fender sound. I'm not buying it. :D

But I do agree that one should sidestep Dave GIlmour completely. Not only doe she have an astonishing touch, he plays through the most complicated rig in the history of the world, and you can't' attirbute his tone to the pickups. I watched him just last night in "Live at Gdansk," and he was awesome... with the Red Strat, the Black Strat, his Taylor acoustic, whatever he played. Best soloing on "COmfortably Numb" ever.


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SlapChop wrote:
Well, that's not entirely true, Martian.

When you lay down the standard smack about "EMG's," you're forgetting that EMG makes a lot of different pickups, and they all sound different. It's true that SA's are quite flat compared to most passive pickups. But EMG SV's are voiced with a frequency curve that matches a set of vintage pickups they had at EMG... that and the exposed, staggered pole pieces give the SV's an extremely "stratty" sound, with the added benefit of being the quietest pickups in EMG's entire line (virtually zero self noise).

Mine don't sound "processed" at all (whatever that means... the idea that EMG introduce their own compression or processing into the signal just doesn't wash). They sound like a Strat... they just don't hum. I've had people try to convince me that 60-cycle buzz is poart of the Fender sound. I'm not buying it. :D

But I do agree that one should sidestep Dave GIlmour completely. Not only doe she have an astonishing touch, he plays through the most complicated rig in the history of the world, and you can't' attirbute his tone to the pickups. I watched him just last night in "Live at Gdansk," and he was awesome... with the Red Strat, the Black Strat, his Taylor acoustic, whatever he played. Best soloing on "COmfortably Numb" ever.


Once again, we'll have to agree to disagree, this time with my and others' overall impression of EMGs.

On the other hand, I wholeheartedly agree with you regarding Gilmour, his rig and his talent.

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Martian wrote:
SlapChop wrote:
Well, that's not entirely true, Martian.
Once again, we'll have to agree to disagree, this time with my and others' overall impression of EMGs.

On the other hand, I wholeheartedly agree with you regarding Gilmour, his rig and his talent.


Agreed, although I will note that (while I understand you have a good deal of experience with guitars) the vast majority of guitar players with strong opinions about EMG's have never played them (and certainly haven't used a set of SV's) but have formed their opinions by looking at pictures of Zakk Wilde and reading posts on the internet. :D


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Martian wrote:
SlapChop wrote:
Well, that's not entirely true, Martian.
Once again, we'll have to agree to disagree, this time with my and others' overall impression of EMGs.

On the other hand, I wholeheartedly agree with you regarding Gilmour, his rig and his talent.


Agreed, although I will note that (while I understand you have a good deal of experience with guitars) the vast majority of guitar players with strong opinions about EMG's have never played them (and certainly haven't used a set of SV's) but have formed their opinions by looking at pictures of Zakk Wilde and reading posts on the internet. :D


For the record, I have EXTENSIVE experience with EMGs including SVs and NEVER form my opinions by what ANYONE states on the internet.

I sense hostility here and I shall now bow out of this thread. The last word shall be your's.

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Post subject: blues tones
Posted: Sat May 16, 2009 8:22 pm
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Martian wrote:
Sidestepping Gilmour entirely for a moment:

If you say you want to get into Classic Rock and Blues, I'd rule out the EMGs entirely. You'd have to use several pre-amps (pedals) to get a lot of the tones you would be looking for. See, dynamically, EMGS have too wide a frequency response due to their own preamps and so, their overall sound would have to be shaped and tailored to your intended stylings. Otherwise, like so many people complain, they either sound too flat in all areas or too intense in all areas. Above all, you will never get that nice harmonic break up like you would with high impedance (regular) pickups. In spite of it all, the EMGs will still sound a bit processed. Again, I'm basing this on the totality of your intended stylings as I've been at them for over 40 years now and am also quite familiar with both the EMGs and the 69s, which segues me to:

I'd also rule out the 69s as they are too 'thin' for many of your applications. Here too, you'll most likely wind up using preamps and with these being single coils, you'll be ramping up the hum too.

What pickups are you using now?

well, you can get some awesome jeff healy tones with these.
are you into rock heavy blues jeff healy, robert cray cleans, or steavie ray vaughn gritty dirty tones?


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