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Post subject: Wrong Deluxe Player Strat Pickup positions??
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 5:30 am
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I posted my dilemma in the Stratocaster section of this form, but realized I should have posted it here.

Here is that thread: http://forums.fender.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=105810

The jist of that thread was why didn't the selector switch of my unmolested, original wiring, '06 Deluxe Player Strat allow the pick up combinations shown in the Fender manual? I verified all the electronic were good and that it was wired correctly.


Player Strat Wiring:

https://p4.zdassets.com/hc/theme_assets/549136/200076499/013-3000_02A_SISD.pdf

I changed a couple of wires and added a cap to duplicate the wiring of the earlier Super Strat with the Fat Pickups and now the pickup positions work as shown.

Super Strat Wiring:

https://p4.zdassets.com/hc/theme_assets/549136/200076499/013-9400_02C_SISD.pdf

Sorry for the repetition, but this is really bugging me!

My technique for checking the pickup positions was tapping on the magnets. Maybe this was misleading and had something to do with the noisless pickups?

An internet search showed no one else with this problem. Anyone?


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Post subject: Re: Wrong Deluxe Player Strat Pickup positions??
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 9:56 am
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I changed a couple of wires and added a cap to duplicate the wiring of the earlier Super Strat with the Fat Pickups and now the pickup positions work as shown.
So if this statement is true, what is your question exactly?


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Post subject: Re: Wrong Deluxe Player Strat Pickup positions??
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 11:07 am
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Perhaps the Deluxe Players Strat schematic is in error......?

It wouldn't be the first time discrepancies have been identified (in both guitars and amps).

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Post subject: Re: Wrong Deluxe Player Strat Pickup positions??
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 11:12 am
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sfceric64 wrote:
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I changed a couple of wires and added a cap to duplicate the wiring of the earlier Super Strat with the Fat Pickups and now the pickup positions work as shown.
So if this statement is true, what is your question exactly?


As stated above my question is: Why wouldn't the factory wiring for the Player Strat work the pickups correctly?


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Post subject: Re: Wrong Deluxe Player Strat Pickup positions??
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 11:20 am
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Retroverbial wrote:
Perhaps the Deluxe Players Strat schematic is in error......?

It wouldn't be the first time discrepancies have been identified (in both guitars and amps).

Arjay


I considered that, but I was surprised to not find any other owners that had the same issue despite many Google searches. Maybe they aren't aware of it (?)


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Post subject: Re: Wrong Deluxe Player Strat Pickup positions??
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 2:33 pm
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You sound like a reasonable person, if its still really bugging you I suggest you write a letter or send an email to Fender Consumer Relations with your question or suggestion.
The guitar has been in production for over ten years; I doubt seriously that "Maybe they aren't aware of it (?)" is the case.
Are you the original owner? Was the guitar unmolested? Did you perhaps miss something?
Its not really a dilemma, is it.
Does the guitar work to your satisfaction now? Congratulations you fixed it!!! enjoy it.


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Post subject: Re: Wrong Deluxe Player Strat Pickup positions??
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 4:07 pm
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sfceric64 wrote:
You sound like a reasonable person, if its still really bugging you I suggest you write a letter or send an email to Fender Consumer Relations with your question or suggestion.
The guitar has been in production for over ten years; I doubt seriously that "Maybe they aren't aware of it (?)" is the case.
Are you the original owner? Was the guitar unmolested? Did you perhaps miss something?
Its not really a dilemma, is it.
Does the guitar work to your satisfaction now? Congratulations you fixed it!!! enjoy it.


When I said "maybe they aren't aware of it" I was talking about other owners of deluxe player Stratocasters, not Fender.

Although I'm not the original owner I happen to know the pickguard has never been off. All this has been gone over in this thread and the original thread in the Stratocaster section which you didn't read. I really don't think my questions are unreasonable to ask in this forum. I'm just trying to find an answer.


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Post subject: Re: Wrong Deluxe Player Strat Pickup positions??
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 5:39 pm
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Please refer to the 1st sentence in my last reply.

Reasonable answers have been given to you, you just don't seem willing to accept them.
I take you at your word that it is as you say it is, after all its your guitar and in your possession.
I'm not an owner of the specific model, but its reasonable to me even that the schematic may be incorrect. If you haven't noticed the support page isn't what it used to be. Kind of hard to find any schematic dated after about 2005.
I read what you posted here and responded w/out reading or caring about the links you posted because you said the guitar was working properly after you fixed it.

So your real questions are,
How do I notify all other dlx player strat owners of the problem they haven't noticed?
and
Why is the manual/schematic dtd 2004 wrong in 2017?

GL :lol:


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Post subject: Re: Wrong Deluxe Player Strat Pickup positions??
Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2017 12:23 am
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There is clearly something wrong with your strat. One pic is not enough to see.
What is that black wire that appears in mid air just to the top right of the volume pot ... hard to see if it is broken or just at an odd angle.
How is the minature switch. Is it open in the up position and short in the down.
Get a meter and check this it might be crook. :D


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Post subject: Re: Wrong Deluxe Player Strat Pickup positions??
Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2017 4:34 am
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jimmy_james wrote:
There is clearly something wrong with your strat. One pic is not enough to see.
What is that black wire that appears in mid air just to the top right of the volume pot ... hard to see if it is broken or just at an odd angle.
How is the minature switch. Is it open in the up position and short in the down.
Get a meter and check this it might be crook. :D


"There is clearly something wrong with your strat."

I would agree and have came to that conclusion. There are many wired just like this that apparently work properly. Maybe my technique for testing the pick ups, by tapping on them is wrong. I'm just baffled that by wiring it like the older model Super Strat the selector switch/pick ups worked correctly.

I'm tempted to put it back to the original wiring. Maybe something was touching and was corrected when I changed the wiring.

The black wire sticking up is one I cut so I could remove the pick guard. A ground that goes through the body and is soldered to the spring bracket to ground the strings.

I disconnected the switch and simulated it by shorting and un shorting the two wires and it made no difference. It also checked good with a meter.

I am suppose to talk to someone today that is apparently a Fender wiring guru. Maybe he can enlighten me.


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Post subject: Re: Wrong Deluxe Player Strat Pickup positions??
Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2017 12:57 pm
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Yeah sorry. i see you checked the switch in another post.
Really hard to tell from the pic.
There is not a stray bit of solder between the mid and and neck on the switch?
Any competent tech type should be able to resolve this issue for you.
It can be difficult to diagnose problems from afar. :D


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Post subject: Re: Wrong Deluxe Player Strat Pickup positions??
Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2017 2:52 pm
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I would agree and have came to that conclusion. There are many wired just like this that apparently work properly. Maybe my technique for testing the pick ups, by tapping on them is wrong. I'm just baffled that by wiring it like the older model Super Strat the selector switch/pick ups worked correctly.


This tapping test is correct for testing the 5 way switch & Push button but it does not test the function of the tone knobs in conjunction w/ the switch positions.

I think your wiring mod(converting a Deluxe Player to Super Strat) is fine as long as the results you wanted were achieved. The second tone cap may or may not be necessary depending on whether the tone pots are on or off w/ the push button. It might be easier/cheaper just to jump wire one pot to the other w/ the cap.

As far as the wiring diagram for the Deluxe Player being incorrect, I cant say for sure. But it just looks wrong to me and if it didn't work the way it was maybe adjusting it w/o removing complete wire sections would have fixed it.


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Post subject: Re: Wrong Deluxe Player Strat Pickup positions??
Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2017 3:04 am
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What is it you are seeing as wrong in the deluxe player pdf? :D


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Post subject: Re: Wrong Deluxe Player Strat Pickup positions??
Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2017 10:29 pm
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Before I say what I see as wrong, it may not be. As I said before I don't own either model or the separate components to do a mock up and test.

1. The Super is the original version of the wiring from 1999 and is confirmed to work from the op.
It used two .022 caps one on each tone pot(didn't need to be jumped/shared). The Deluxe Player only used one on the 1st tone pot and they added a wire jump from the 2nd pot 3rd lug to the 1st pot 3rd lug tone cap. Some modern Strats (and my Strat)are jumped w/ the pot lugs facing each other and w/ the cap grounded to the back of the pot through the third lug of the 1st pot and the opposite axial lead ran to the 2nd lug of the 2nd tone pot.

2. Something I cant confirm w/o testing but believe is this 3rd lug to 3rd lug wire jump may add the 2nd tone pots resistance value w/o being variable, as its out of action and only controls the middle pickup. Also the wire configured as in the Deluxe Player it reduces the capacitance by the .022 of the original Super.

Personally I like to have my 2nd tone control on the bridge and middle pickup. But I understand as its wired it adds that magic to the 4th position.

Does the Deluxe Player Strat work as wired from the pdf? Probably or others would have noticed it as well.

Just my two cents worth...my two cents officially traded at .ooo22 on this post
EDIT: all red text is pure crap, the wire diagram is correct as posted, don't know WTF I was looking at..


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Post subject: Re: Wrong Deluxe Player Strat Pickup positions??
Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2017 11:15 pm
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sfceric64 wrote:
The Deluxe Player only used one on the 1st tone pot and they added a wire jump from the 2nd pot 3rd lug to the 1st pot 3rd lug tone cap. .

I'm not seeing that man. I see the 1st tone pot 3rd lug to 2nd tone pot 2nd lug.
Am I missing something. :D


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