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Post subject: Trem Block Upgrade for VM or CV 60s Strat
Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2014 9:40 pm
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I am considering buying either a Vintage Modified or Classic Vibe 60s Squier Strat. According to user reviews I've read, one of the weak links is the wimpy zinc tremelo block. Does Fender or anyone else make a replacement block that would fit in one or both of these guitars?


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Post subject: Re: Trem Block Upgrade for VM or CV 60s Strat
Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2014 12:30 am
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A Squier guitar is a low budget guitar , all of its parts may need upgrade . Why just a tremolo ?

Don't invest money in . Play it like that and if you need better tremolo , pickups , tuning machines ...sell it and buy an American Standard.


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Post subject: Re: Trem Block Upgrade for VM or CV 60s Strat
Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2014 12:55 am
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TonyTheTiger wrote:
I am considering buying
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wimpy zinc tremelo block
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Ahem... :shock:
Maybe it's time to go test play those guitars you mentioned, instead of worrying on what someone in the internet has said about the trem block wimpiness.


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Post subject: Re: Trem Block Upgrade for VM or CV 60s Strat
Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2014 1:00 am
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jmattis wrote:
TonyTheTiger wrote:
I am considering buying
(...)
wimpy zinc tremelo block
(...)

Ahem... :shock:
Maybe it's time to go test play those guitars you mentioned, instead of worrying on what someone in the internet has said about the trem block wimpiness.




+1 :lol:


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Post subject: Re: Trem Block Upgrade for VM or CV 60s Strat
Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2014 2:19 am
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stratele52 wrote:
jmattis wrote:
TonyTheTiger wrote:
I am considering buying
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wimpy zinc tremelo block
(...)

Ahem... :shock:
Maybe it's time to go test play those guitars you mentioned, instead of worrying on what someone in the internet has said about the trem block wimpiness.




+1 :lol:

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Post subject: Re: Trem Block Upgrade for VM or CV 60s Strat
Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2014 12:13 pm
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I do plan to test the guitars out myself. I'm just doing some research ahead of time. Nothing wrong with that.

Apparently heavy trem blocks start at $25, so this isn't a major money investment. And it's well established that trem blocks can have a major effect on guitar tone.

So, back to the original question: does anyone make a trem block that will fit these guitars?


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Post subject: Re: Trem Block Upgrade for VM or CV 60s Strat
Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2014 5:59 pm
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GOOGLE IS YOUR FRIEND

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Post subject: Re: Trem Block Upgrade for VM or CV 60s Strat
Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 12:05 am
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TonyTheTiger wrote:
I do plan to test the guitars out myself. I'm just doing some research ahead of time. Nothing wrong with that.

Apparently heavy trem blocks start at $25, so this isn't a major money investment. And it's well established that trem blocks can have a major effect on guitar tone.

So, back to the original question: does anyone make a trem block that will fit these guitars?

Guitarfetish "Mexico" sized blocks should be suitable - they also sell a cheap complete tremolo unit, which might be easier to replace.
Anyway, measuring & fitting is totally at your own risk.

Got that info via google, took me about three minutes. Haven't needed the knowledge before - a trem block replacement really doesn't turn a CV into a CS... Not even if you use an EKT Steel Baron block priced at 150€/200$...
"it's well established that trem blocks can have a major effect on guitar tone" :lol:


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Post subject: Re: Trem Block Upgrade for VM or CV 60s Strat
Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 12:30 am
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jmattis wrote:

Guitarfetish "Mexico" sized blocks should be suitable - they also sell a cheap complete tremolo unit, which might be easier to replace. And would it be better than is original Squier ?
Anyway, measuring & fitting is totally at your own risk. Mexican made to fit on asian made Squier , size for holes/ screw ( and more ...) could be different

Got that info via google, took me about three minutes. Haven't needed the knowledge before - a trem block replacement really doesn't turn a CV into a CS... Not even if you use an EKT Steel Baron block priced at 150€/200$...
"it's well established that trem blocks can have a major effect on guitar tone" :lol:


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Post subject: Re: Trem Block Upgrade for VM or CV 60s Strat
Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 1:46 am
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stratele52 wrote:
And would it be better than is original Squier ?

IMHO, no. That's what I tried to imply in my first answer to the OP.

First, TonyTheTiger would be replacing a cheap unit designed for that guitar series with a cheap unit designed for universal use. Second, there would be no noticeable improvement (NOTE: I'm disregarding the psychoacoustic part here)
But: I just tried to help the guy - I take no responsibility in the end result 8)

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Mexican made to fit on asian made Squier , size for holes/ screw ( and more ...) could be different

Yep. That's why I added the disclaimer "Anyway, measuring & fitting is totally at your own risk." The block and trem I mentioned should fit the CV series, with the disclaimer.
And anyway: TTT hasn't yet decided between a CV or a VintMod (etc.) so any advice is bound to be vague. :wink:


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Post subject: Re: Trem Block Upgrade for VM or CV 60s Strat
Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 2:02 am
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jmattis wrote:
stratele52 wrote:
And would it be better than is original Squier ?

IMHO, no. That's what I tried to imply in my first answer to the OP.

First, TonyTheTiger would be replacing a cheap unit designed for that guitar series with a cheap unit designed for universal use. Second, there would be no noticeable improvement (NOTE: I'm disregarding the psychoacoustic part here)
But: I just tried to help the guy - I take no responsibility in the end result 8)

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Mexican made to fit on asian made Squier , size for holes/ screw ( and more ...) could be different

Yep. That's why I added the disclaimer "Anyway, measuring & fitting is totally at your own risk." The block and trem I mentioned should fit the CV series, with the disclaimer.
And anyway: TTT hasn't yet decided between a CV or a VintMod (etc.) so any advice is bound to be vague. :wink:



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Post subject: Re: Trem Block Upgrade for VM or CV 60s Strat
Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 12:30 pm
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I was hoping that someone on this board might have actual experience with replacing the trem block, but that does not seem to be the case.

It looks like Killer Guitar Components makes one that fits the CV series. They are a bit on the pricey side at $75.

No, I am not expecting this replacement to turn a CV into a CS. Just a bit more sustain and fatness. There are a few Youtube demos showing the effect of replacing a steel block with a brass block, if only Youtube had good enough sound to hear the difference. :( But it comes down to basic physics--all else being equal, more mass will give you more sustain. Les Pauls have good sustain because they are heavy, though the set neck helps too. Different materials also influence the tonal balance of the guitar. This is not at all controversial among guitar enthusiasts. The fact that it is controversial on this board is not a good sign. :lol:

Saying that the stock block is "designed" for the guitar is naive. Squier is looking to cut costs, and using a small zinc trem block rather than a large steel block is one way to do this. Of course, lots of the stock parts can be upgraded, so it's a matter of deciding how much to spend.


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Post subject: Re: Trem Block Upgrade for VM or CV 60s Strat
Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 1:07 pm
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TonyTheTiger wrote:
I was hoping that someone on this board might have actual experience with replacing the trem block, but that does not seem to be the case.
Replacing only the tremolo block is quite rare on any kind of guitar . But replacing on a Squier guitar very very rare .


It looks like Killer Guitar Components makes one that fits the CV series. They are a bit on the pricey side at $75.

It is not a $25 like you write . For Squier guitar, Killer guitar ask $90 for aluminium block and $100 for brass one .

No, I am not expecting this replacement to turn a CV into a CS. Just a bit more sustain and fatness. There are a few Youtube demos showing the effect of replacing a steel block with a brass block, if only Youtube had good enough sound to hear the difference.

You need to have the ( good ) guitar body and Pickups to "pickups" the sustain. Did they test on Squier ?

:( But it comes down to basic physics--all else being equal, more mass will give you more sustain. Les Pauls have good sustain because they are heavy, though the set neck helps too. Different materials also influence the tonal balance of the guitar. This is not at all controversial among guitar enthusiasts. The fact that it is controversial on this board is not a good sign. :lol:

The fact is you come here to hear "go ahead with this block ". Sorry that is not what we think

Saying that the stock block is "designed" for the guitar is naive. Squier is looking to cut costs, and using a small zinc trem block rather than a large steel block is one way to do this. Of course, lots of the stock parts can be upgraded, so it's a matter of deciding how much to spend.


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Post subject: Re: Trem Block Upgrade for VM or CV 60s Strat
Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2014 7:11 am
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TTT, I fail to see a future where you would be disppointed in a stock Squier CV, but happy with it after you change to a steel block.

Sorry I couldn't give you the answer you were looking for.


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Post subject: Re: Trem Block Upgrade for VM or CV 60s Strat
Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2014 10:39 am
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jmattis wrote:
TTT, I fail to see a future where you would be disppointed in a stock Squier CV, but happy with it after you change to a steel block.

Sorry I couldn't give you the answer you were looking for.



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