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Post subject: Re: In blind test- CV Telecaster mistaken for Custom Shop!
Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 1:05 pm
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I visit the Fender forum to learn and contribute. I had a good experience with a Hwy 1 strat. So, I don't think "they are [all] that bad". :roll:


However, good or bad, opinions are opinions, and therefore highly subjective to personal tastes and experience. Positive or negative, the perspective of the other forum users should be respected, and freindly debate embraced, so long as the argument is not driven into the dirt. The forums should be neither cheerleading squads nor lynch mobs, but places where people can share their experiences from their own viewpoint. The "aggregate score" of all the opinions will usually be a good indication of the truth of the matter.

I agree with everything you said except the "aggregate score". If 90% of people don't know the difference between an instrument and a pile of inferior and, or defective parts...well...their opinions, though appreciated have no bearing on the real issues of quality control and quality of parts I raise.

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Post subject: Re: In blind test- CV Telecaster mistaken for Custom Shop!
Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 1:47 pm
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RCB-CA-USA wrote:
I agree with everything you said except the "aggregate score". If 90% of people don't know the difference between an instrument and a pile of inferior and, or defective parts...well...their opinions, though appreciated have no bearing on the real issues of quality control and quality of parts I raise.


And now you're just being a dick.


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Post subject: Re: In blind test- CV Telecaster mistaken for Custom Shop!
Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 1:58 pm
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jeff_hatcher wrote:
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I agree with everything you said except the "aggregate score". If 90% of people don't know the difference between an instrument and a pile of inferior and, or defective parts...well...their opinions, though appreciated have no bearing on the real issues of quality control and quality of parts I raise.


And now you're just being a dick.

You are contradickting yourself.

You wrote: "Positive or negative, the perspective of the other forum users should be respected,"

Not much respect in calling somebody a "dick".

You owe me an apology.

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Post subject: Re: In blind test- CV Telecaster mistaken for Custom Shop!
Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 2:07 pm
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RCB-CA-USA wrote:
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I agree with everything you said except the "aggregate score". If 90% of people don't know the difference between an instrument and a pile of inferior and, or defective parts...well...their opinions, though appreciated have no bearing on the real issues of quality control and quality of parts I raise.


And now you're just being a dick.

You are contradickting yourself.

You wrote: "Positive or negative, the perspective of the other forum users should be respected,"

Not much respect in calling somebody a "dick".

You owe me an apology.


I apologize for the language, but what you did was invalidate everyone elses opinion with that last statement. Basically you said, "only my opinion is correct, no one else knows what they're talking about". This is standard behavior of the $@!&# americanus.


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Post subject: Re: In blind test- CV Telecaster mistaken for Custom Shop!
Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 2:13 pm
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jeff_hatcher wrote:
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I agree with everything you said except the "aggregate score". If 90% of people don't know the difference between an instrument and a pile of inferior and, or defective parts...well...their opinions, though appreciated have no bearing on the real issues of quality control and quality of parts I raise.


And now you're just being a dick.

And thats why the forum needs a "like" button. Way to go RCB, is it your lifes mission to hack everyone off who doesn't share your opinion? You know what Jeff sent me a PM defending you today, thats the kind of guy he is, a genuine decent man i imagine he's kicking himself right now, nice work.

Do you not think the world would be a worse place if everyone shared the same views? I mean according to what you are saying i am stupid because you say so, and the majority opinion means nothing because you say so, squier guitars are junk because you say so (i use the name as a whole because you talk of inferior parts which are pretty much used across the range).

I can see the pattern, do you?

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Post subject: Re: In blind test- CV Telecaster mistaken for Custom Shop!
Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 2:21 pm
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OK, after reading this entire thread, here are my observations:

The guys doing the blindfold test showed me nothing. They tried not to feel to much, they strummed well set up guitars, and they never plugged any of them in. Completely useless.

RCB bought a really crappy Squier and now hates all things Squier and has an axe to grind (and yes I do like the guy, but I disagree with him)

Here's the thing, Squiers are not high end MIA Fenders. They don't play or sound like them. They are a different guitar, but they can still be great guitars. They are great for broke $@! folks like myself who likes to mod over time to make a pretty good instrument.

I personally have held and owned Squiers that are total crap, but I've also had/have some that were really good guitars. I'd put my 87' MIJ against an MIA any day of the week. Did I drop new electonics in it? yes. Was it made well? Hell yes. Does it play like butter? yep.
It's personal preference and you have to try a lot of crap to find a jewel.

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Post subject: Re: In blind test- CV Telecaster mistaken for Custom Shop!
Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 2:23 pm
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RCB-CA-USA wrote:
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I agree with everything you said except the "aggregate score". If 90% of people don't know the difference between an instrument and a pile of inferior and, or defective parts...well...their opinions, though appreciated have no bearing on the real issues of quality control and quality of parts I raise.


And now you're just being a dick.

You are contradickting yourself.

You wrote: "Positive or negative, the perspective of the other forum users should be respected,"

Not much respect in calling somebody a "dick".

You owe me an apology.

You cannot command respect if you are not prepared to give it RCB, or demand an apology without giving one for your behaviour.

You have previously quoted people of great mind who have taught us a great deal about how we as people work, but you don't seem to have learnt from their teaching. And "give to recieve" is a fundemental and basic lesson in life, you'll be wise to take heed of it.

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Post subject: Re: In blind test- CV Telecaster mistaken for Custom Shop!
Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 2:23 pm
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jeff_hatcher wrote:
I apologize for the language, but what you did was invalidate everyone elses opinion with that last statement. Basically you said, "only my opinion is correct, no one else knows what they're talking about". This is standard behavior of the $@!&# americanus.

Your apology is accepted. However, now you owe me another apology. I never said "only my opinion is correct", that's merely your opinion of my opinion.

If somebody's opinion invalidates another's opinion, that's still an opinion and should be respected. You may not agree, but still -- r-e-s-p-e-c-t, respect the opinion.

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Post subject: Re: In blind test- CV Telecaster mistaken for Custom Shop!
Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 2:34 pm
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Nobody owes you an apology in any way shape or form, are you really that self important that you think the world owes you an apology?

Seriously give it a break man, next you'll be asking him to wipe your royal backside.

If you want an apology because your opinion has been disrespected, wheres my apology from you, and all the others you owe an apology to?

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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 2:35 pm
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jackdragbean wrote:
OK, after reading this entire thread, here are my observations:

RCB bought a really crappy Squier and now hates all things Squier and has an axe to grind (and yes I do like the guy, but I disagree with him)


I was sold multiple defective Squiers over a two-year period, not one "crappy" Squier. I don't hate all things Squier. I don't hate any thing. And, I have no axe to grind with Fender. I thoroughly appreciate Fender. What I *really* appreciate about Fender is how they are open-minded towards all of their customers, including me, and I thoroughly loved my Hwy 1 Strat and am looking for another Fender guitar to suit my needs! My participation in the Fender Forum is to learn and share and to offer Fender my feedback about their products to help them improve their product so I end up with a better product for a realistic price.

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Post subject: Re: In blind test- CV Telecaster mistaken for Custom Shop!
Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:00 pm
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I was sold multiple defective Squiers over a two-year period, not one "crappy" Squier
And people have said that this is bad luck, but also you are part to blame for ordering online sight unseen. This is not disrespectful, just an honest observation.

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I don't hate all things Squier.
Thats not the impression you have given with your opinions, and extensive research, especially when you mention the "inferior parts" used, a lot of which are used across the entire range of squier guitars, you are automatically making a generlised statement.

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And, I have no axe to grind with Fender.
Again you have misread what was said, he never mentioned fender at all, but was on about your obsession of beating on Squier guitars.

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My participation in the Fender Forum is to learn and share and to offer Fender my feedback about their products to help them improve their product so I end up with a better product for a realistic price.
Thats the fender side of the forum, on the squier side you seem to have learned nothing, shared nothing but your tainted opinion of a brand that has vastly improved in the last 5 years or so, and i am sure Fender will take your feedback with a pinch of salt knowing that its based on poor experinceces and poor judgement.

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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:08 pm
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I was sold multiple defective Squiers over a two-year period, not one "crappy" Squier
And people have said that this is bad luck, but also you are part to blame for ordering online sight unseen. This is not disrespectful, just an honest observation.

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I don't hate all things Squier.
Thats not the impression you have given with your opinions, and extensive research, especially when you mention the "inferior parts" used, a lot of which are used across the entire range of squier guitars, you are automatically making a generlised statement.

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And, I have no axe to grind with Fender.
Again you have misread what was said, he never mentioned fender at all, but was on about your obsession of beating on Squier guitars.

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My participation in the Fender Forum is to learn and share and to offer Fender my feedback about their products to help them improve their product so I end up with a better product for a realistic price.
Thats the fender side of the forum, on the squier side you seem to have learned nothing, shared nothing but your tainted opinion of a brand that has vastly improved in the last 5 years or so, and i am sure Fender will take your feedback with a pinch of salt knowing that its based on poor experinceces and poor judgement.


^^^^This^^^^^


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Post subject: Re: In blind test- CV Telecaster mistaken for Custom Shop!
Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:06 pm
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Here we go again, al's off on another one of his delusional rants. :roll:

You were quiet for a while. What brought you out of the woodwork?

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Post subject: Re: In blind test- CV Telecaster mistaken for Custom Shop!
Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 5:05 pm
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here we go gain with insulting behaviour, a beaten man always results to insults as a form of retaliation.

I'm so deluded someone agreed with me, again you don't proof read your posts do you? Not only have you disrespected me you have disrespected other forum users, but i don't see you apologising to them, i don't want one because frankly i know you won't mean it, but the other forum users should get one, especially Jeff, who like i say defended you earlier today via a PM to me.

If you were half the man i am you would apologise, but no you demand apologies from others for behaviours you use against them. That is not a delusion that is a fact.

So are you gonna be a man or not?

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Post subject: Re: In blind test- CV Telecaster mistaken for Custom Shop!
Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 5:19 pm
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al, there's no sense in wrangling the same points you've conjured up over and over and over and over and over.

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