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Post subject: In blind test- CV Telecaster mistaken for Custom Shop!
Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 9:47 am
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Check out this link:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCEdT2d43jU

Yeah... it wasn't amplified.. which might have given it away, still, two experienced musicians found it difficult to distinguish between the Custom Vibe Tele and the Custom Shop. I am in no way saying the CV is comparible or better, but if it's this close... Thumbs up to Fender's Squier division! Way to deliver.


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Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 8:03 am
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Its nice to know and just proves you don't have to spend a fortune

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Post subject: Re: In blind test- CV Telecaster mistaken for Custom Shop!
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:25 am
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I wasn't the least bit impressed by that test. It certainly wasn't a blind test. There were too many factors that contaminated the outcome of the process from previous handling of the instruments to set-up issues and hang tags, plus there was no plugged-in comparison done.

What I saw was players who sell musical equipment engaging in goofy "fluff" to sell guitars!

Based on my own experiences, there's a huge difference between off-shore Squiers, MIMs, and MIUSA builds, the MIUSA build far superior in quality on all points...wood, electronics, fit and finish, playability and tone!

That test was reminiscent of their strat comparison, not very helpful. They couldn't stabilize the Squier, or they would have, and they didn't do an in-depth enough comparison to demonstrate the differences between the various levels of Fender. And, in that test, they clearly stated that the MIUSA product was vastly superior to the more mass produced builds.

What's frustrated the whole process is the incompatibility of parts between Squier builds and MIUSA builds! Until you can interchange/drop-in USA parts onto a Squier build, you can't really make a comparison.

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Post subject: Re: In blind test- CV Telecaster mistaken for Custom Shop!
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 12:12 pm
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RCB: Regarding the setup issues, their Tech, Pablo, set up the guitars to the same specifications across the instruments, to the best of his ability.

Rob and Lee's videos come across, as you say, as "Goofy Fluff",and yeah, their equipment discussions fall short of scientific. However, they are two musicians, with a good deal of experience discussing their personal impressions of the instruments. Take it for what it is. These forums are full musicians doing the exact same thing.

They never said that the CV was as good as the MIM, American or Custom Shop, they just said that the feel was very similar. I am certain that if the instruments were plugged in, the differences would have been more apparent.

For folks on a budget, the CV line is not bad, and certainly stands as a nice example of what "cheap" guitars can aspire to. I am familiar with RCB's post history, and his position on the Squier line, and the CV's in particular. His opinion is respected, but sometimes real people (with real priorities, spending real money) gotta settle on what fits their budget. For folks is such a situation, the CV line is not a bad go.


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Post subject: Re: In blind test- CV Telecaster mistaken for Custom Shop!
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 1:33 pm
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jeff_hatcher wrote:
1. Rob and Lee's videos come across, as you say, as "Goofy Fluff",and yeah, their equipment discussions fall short of scientific. However, they are two musicians, with a good deal of experience discussing their personal impressions of the instruments. Take it for what it is.

2. They never said that the CV was as good as the MIM, American or Custom Shop, they just said that the feel was very similar. I am certain that if the instruments were plugged in, the differences would have been more apparent.

3. For folks is such a situation, the CV line is not a bad go.


1. What it is is salesmen doing goofy fluff to sell guitars.

2. The inference that there is no difference between a Custom Shop and Squier is strongly suggested in the "test" via the fluffy sales pitch.

3. I am one of the folks in that situation. I discovered that the Squier line is a very bad way to go. I ended up spending more time wrangling with an inferior object instead of playing a musical instrument.

Two things are for certain; the test clearly demonstrated it does not cost much to build a quality instrument, and the Squier line is just a few dollars away from becoming musical instruments. I'd pay a few dollars more for a musical instrument instead of few dollars less for the nightmarish Squier experience I encountered!

Based on my experiences, the Squier line hinders the process of becoming a musician instead of thoroughly enhancing the experience.

Hopefully, FMIC will change their policies to included a zero tolerance policy for defects and shoddily manufactured parts and parts not akin to the construction of a musical instrument such as inferior wood and inferior metals and so forth and so on.

If somebody wants to pay the big bucks for a signature or builder or one-off, or whatever, that's their choice. But to me, it is insult and offensive to my senses to be sold objects that are not meant for their intended and clearly described purpose(s).

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Post subject: Re: In blind test- CV Telecaster mistaken for Custom Shop!
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 5:03 pm
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RCB-CA-USA wrote:
1. What it is is salesmen doing goofy fluff to sell guitars.


1. Selling guitars is what they do. If I owned a music store, I'd figure out ways to sell them too.
2. Can you tell me why they would try to hype the CV Tele instead of the more expensive ones, if that is what you are inferring?

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I'd pay a few dollars more for a musical instrument instead of few dollars less for the nightmarish Squier experience I encountered!


I feel for your misfortunate experience with the Squier line, but as has been pointed out to you, many, many, many times.... your experience is not the majority experience.

Again, I respect your opinion.

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Post subject: Re: In blind test- CV Telecaster mistaken for Custom Shop!
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 7:04 pm
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I have had good luck with Squier and I have other Fenders on hand to compare them with. They are close in feel but they do sound different. I did do a proper setup and upgraded the electronics over time but I didn't really need to. Nothing I would call nightmarish though.


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Post subject: Re: In blind test- CV Telecaster mistaken for Custom Shop!
Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:46 am
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Sorry for the delay in replying, Fender was having technical difficulties!

jeff_hatcher wrote:
2. Can you tell me why they would try to hype the CV Tele instead of the more expensive ones, if that is what you are inferring?

Not for sure. But, I can make an educated guess: There's a bunch of CV's on the shelf or in the pipe-line and they have been given enough of an incentive to fluff them up and get them off the shelf. I can speculate further, but the simplest explanation is usually the correct answer.

Regardless, that was not in any way shape or form a blind test. If the guitars weighed the same, they had identical setups, the strings were played in heavily (new strings can compensate for inferior parts for a bit before the strings settle in an reveal the true nature of the instrument), there were no hang tags on the instruments, etc., plugged in instruments, then we'd hear the true differences between the instruments.

And, for the record, I like those guys. I thoroughly enjoy their reviews. ...they've sold me on some equipment, deterred me from getting other equipment. What they've sold me on thus far did in-fact pan out as demonstrated. But, these comparisons they are doing...not appreciated as they are goofy fluff!

Times are tough I guess!

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Post subject: Re: In blind test- CV Telecaster mistaken for Custom Shop!
Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:55 am
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Yeah... it was wierd. I got a bunch of attempted posts bounced back as well.


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Post subject: Re: In blind test- CV Telecaster mistaken for Custom Shop!
Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:29 am
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RCB-CA-USA wrote:
I wasn't the least bit impressed by that test. It certainly wasn't a blind test. There were too many factors that contaminated the outcome of the process from previous handling of the instruments to set-up issues and hang tags, plus there was no plugged-in comparison done

What I saw was players who sell musical equipment engaging in goofy "fluff" to sell guitars!

Based on my own experiences, there's a huge difference between off-shore Squiers, MIMs, and MIUSA builds, the MIUSA build far superior in quality on all points...wood, electronics, fit and finish, playability and tone!

That test was reminiscent of their strat comparison, not very helpful. They couldn't stabilize the Squier, or they would have, and they didn't do an in-depth enough comparison to demonstrate the differences between the various levels of Fender. And, in that test, they clearly stated that the MIUSA product was vastly superior to the more mass produced builds.

What's frustrated the whole process is the incompatibility of parts between Squier builds and MIUSA builds! Until you can interchange/drop-in USA parts onto a Squier build, you can't really make a comparison.



Did you not see the blindfold? That was the only thing contaminating any judgement made. If previous handling would have made a difference they would have got all of them correct surely? And an amped test would have made the decision easier, this was purely about feel and playability not amped sound.

Your experiences are exactly that and an opinion only you can make judgement of and no one else. A good player should not have to go too indepth to be able to test a guitar, they should be able to tell almost straight away.

Again this was not a comparison on parts and interchangeability, but purely on feel and playability and weight.

Both of them got the classic vibe and the custom shop mixed up or got confused by them, yes they are both salesmen, but they are also gigging guitarists. This to me is pretty conclusive of the fact thae higher end Squiers are nice guitars and in a blind test punch well above their pricetag.

I still don't understand how you can be so negative against squier guitars, or why you even frequent the forum if they are that bad :?

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Post subject: Re: In blind test- CV Telecaster mistaken for Custom Shop!
Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:42 am
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alfunkz wrote:
RCB-CA-USA wrote:
I wasn't the least bit impressed by that test. It certainly wasn't a blind test. There were too many factors that contaminated the outcome of the process from previous handling of the instruments to set-up issues and hang tags, plus there was no plugged-in comparison done

What I saw was players who sell musical equipment engaging in goofy "fluff" to sell guitars!

Based on my own experiences, there's a huge difference between off-shore Squiers, MIMs, and MIUSA builds, the MIUSA build far superior in quality on all points...wood, electronics, fit and finish, playability and tone!

That test was reminiscent of their strat comparison, not very helpful. They couldn't stabilize the Squier, or they would have, and they didn't do an in-depth enough comparison to demonstrate the differences between the various levels of Fender. And, in that test, they clearly stated that the MIUSA product was vastly superior to the more mass produced builds.

What's frustrated the whole process is the incompatibility of parts between Squier builds and MIUSA builds! Until you can interchange/drop-in USA parts onto a Squier build, you can't really make a comparison.

...why you even frequent the forum if they are that bad :?

I visit the Fender forum to learn and contribute. I had a good experience with a Hwy 1 strat. So, I don't think "they are [all] that bad". :roll:

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Post subject: Re: In blind test- CV Telecaster mistaken for Custom Shop!
Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 12:02 pm
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As people will see i wasn't talking about the fender forum or your experience with your hwy1, i was talking about the squier side of it and your experiences with squier guitars.

Again you have only copied part of what i said to try and cover your $@!, and make me look stupid, that doesn't work unless you are able to delete my posts. What i said is there for all to see, and makes perfect sense i'm sure.

Your dislike of the Squier brand completely transparrent and would be understood, if it was not for the fact that you have never made much sense about the true story behind your disliking or the fact that you keep coming to advise and "learn" from the people here. Yet youhaven't learnt anything really have you?

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Post subject: Re: In blind test- CV Telecaster mistaken for Custom Shop!
Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 12:23 pm
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alfunkz wrote:

1. Again you make me look stupid.

2. Your dislike of the Squier brand...


1. You make yourself look stupid.

2. I don't dislike Squiers. I dislike the Squiers I've tried thus far due to defects and cheap parts.

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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 12:27 pm
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RCB-CA-USA wrote:
I visit the Fender forum to learn and contribute. I had a good experience with a Hwy 1 strat. So, I don't think "they are [all] that bad". :roll:


Allfunkz was referring to the your prior threads on the CV Squiers, not Fenders in general. I'd rather not get another flaming thread on the subject going on here. I've followed some of your posts other subjects, and you are usually very positive and helpful, though you seem to have a large axe to grind regarding the Squiers. Fair enough, as you've have had a bad experience with them, and you're perfectly entitled to state your opinion in an open forum.

However, good or bad, opinions are opinions, and therefore highly subjective to personal tastes and experience. Positive or negative, the perspective of the other forum users should be respected, and freindly debate embraced, so long as the argument is not driven into the dirt. The forums should be neither cheerleading squads nor lynch mobs, but places where people can share their experiences from their own viewpoint. The "aggregate score" of all the opinions will usually be a good indication of the truth of the matter.


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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 12:42 pm
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jeff_hatcher wrote:
RCB-CA-USA wrote:
I visit the Fender forum to learn and contribute. I had a good experience with a Hwy 1 strat. So, I don't think "they are [all] that bad". :roll:


Allfunkz was referring to the your prior threads on the CV Squiers, not Fenders in general. I'd rather not get another flaming thread on the subject going on here. I've followed some of your posts other subjects, and you are usually very positive and helpful, though you seem to have a large axe to grind regarding the Squiers. Fair enough, as you've have had a bad experience with them, and you're perfectly entitled to state your opinion in an open forum.

However, good or bad, opinions are opinions, and therefore highly subjective to personal tastes and experience. Positive or negative, the perspective of the other forum users should be respected, and freindly debate embraced, so long as the argument is not driven into the dirt. The forums should be neither cheerleading squads nor lynch mobs, but places where people can share their experiences from their own viewpoint. The "aggregate score" of all the opinions will usually be a good indication of the truth of the matter.

Apologies Jeff_Hatcher i didn't mean for this to become another heated thread

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