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Post subject: Flogging the dead horse.
Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 12:43 pm
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48 minutes of creamy Squier > MIM > USA > Custom shop etc etc

I know the topic is done to death, but I thought the video was good. They're good dudes and I buy gear from "The captain" Lee Anderton quite often. Anyway, what do you think of THEIR findings ???



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnUuUjqHEMU


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Post subject: Re: Flogging the dead horse.
Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 11:38 am
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All of the guitars sound different, but not better or worse than each other. The difference in price certainly doesn't equal the difference in sound. I personally think ALL US Fender stuff is $300-$500 more than it's worth. Somthing I've been saying since I've got my VM Jaguar- "Is an AVRI Jaguar better? Yes. Is it $1300 better? No. NO guitar is."


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Post subject: Re: Flogging the dead horse.
Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 12:12 pm
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He said that the USA Strat is "massively, massively better...than the MIM", which is true, and the MIM is *way* better than the Squier, the Squier falling to pieces during the demo, he emphasizing the very poor quality of the hardware. The Squier and MIM strats pale in comparison to the USA Strat.

I have a question:

Will a Hwy 1 strat neck and Callaham Hwy 1 style bridge drop into a Squier Classic Vibe 50's Strat body??? The CV body I've got here is pretty, it's light, and it is acoustically loud and I'm curious to hear how the body sounds with a good neck and hardware. ...I'm too lazy to drag the thing out of the closet...one more question...will the Hwy 1 pickguard fit the face of the CV 50? Yeah, I know, the USA has more screw holes, no biggie if it drops in too!

I'm 51 n' still havin' fun, but...the Hwy 1 is a hint to heavy for my back after installing the Callaham bridge and locking tuners. I'm either going to get they Hwy 1 body weight relieved or try out the CV 50's body if it's a drop-in deal, or find a lighter body.

If anybody knows of a place that sells used Hwy 1 bodies, please let me know!

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Post subject: Re: Flogging the dead horse.
Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 5:01 pm
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He said that the USA Strat is "massively, massively better...than the MIM", which is true, and the MIM is *way* better than the Squier, the Squier falling to pieces during the demo, he emphasizing the very poor quality of the hardware. The Squier and MIM strats pale in comparison to the USA Strat.

Its a review of the good and the bad points of each guitar, so when they say about the tremolo they also hinted a good setup would cure it, at which point did the guitar fall to pieces or are you exaggerating? Because as far as i could see it was still in one piece when they finished with it, yet again you are proving the fact we all know, that you are not a squier person, which would be fine if you were to leave us squier people to enjoy them, instead of trying to tell us that our guitars are not playable, hang on didn't he also say that all the guitars were straight from the box? He did didn't he? Again evidence that your theory is complete bull*@#t, and your arguement carries no weight whatsoever

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Post subject: Re: Flogging the dead horse.
Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 6:08 pm
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alfunkz wrote:
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He said that the USA Strat is "massively, massively better...than the MIM", which is true, and the MIM is *way* better than the Squier, the Squier falling to pieces during the demo, he emphasizing the very poor quality of the hardware. The Squier and MIM strats pale in comparison to the USA Strat.

Its a review of the good and the bad points of each guitar, so when they say about the tremolo they also hinted a good setup would cure it, at which point did the guitar fall to pieces or are you exaggerating? Because as far as i could see it was still in one piece when they finished with it, yet again you are proving the fact we all know, that you are not a squier person, which would be fine if you were to leave us squier people to enjoy them, instead of trying to tell us that our guitars are not playable, hang on didn't he also say that all the guitars were straight from the box? He did didn't he? Again evidence that your theory is complete bull*@#t, and your arguement carries no weight whatsoever


If they could have setup the Squier strat to work like the USA stat, they would have. But, they couldn't so they did not. ...you didn't buy into that sales pitch did you???

Again, he said...the USA strats are "massively, massively better." Surely, you're not in denial of his statement, are you???

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RCB-CA-USA wrote:
He said that the USA Strat is "massively, massively better...than the MIM", which is true, and the MIM is *way* better than the Squier, the Squier falling to pieces during the demo, he emphasizing the very poor quality of the hardware. The Squier and MIM strats pale in comparison to the USA Strat.




So are you going to get a proper USA ?



I have to say I very nearly went and bought a MIM the other day. I'm going to play a few this afternoon, must not buy one. I just thought I've lived with the VM 70's for a month, a little comparison in my beautiful hands seems like a fun idea. I wonder if I bought a MIM, how long before I decide I need a USA ? I can afford it, but I just don't know where this thing ends. The trem is actually ok on my VM70's. Needed to set it up, but it's pretty usable, that's with the stock nut too. Fret work is stunning too. I just don't know.


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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 4:58 am
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RCB-CA-USA wrote:
alfunkz wrote:
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He said that the USA Strat is "massively, massively better...than the MIM", which is true, and the MIM is *way* better than the Squier, the Squier falling to pieces during the demo, he emphasizing the very poor quality of the hardware. The Squier and MIM strats pale in comparison to the USA Strat.

Its a review of the good and the bad points of each guitar, so when they say about the tremolo they also hinted a good setup would cure it, at which point did the guitar fall to pieces or are you exaggerating? Because as far as i could see it was still in one piece when they finished with it, yet again you are proving the fact we all know, that you are not a squier person, which would be fine if you were to leave us squier people to enjoy them, instead of trying to tell us that our guitars are not playable, hang on didn't he also say that all the guitars were straight from the box? He did didn't he? Again evidence that your theory is complete bull*@#t, and your arguement carries no weight whatsoever


If they could have setup the Squier strat to work like the USA stat, they would have. But, they couldn't so they did not. ...you didn't buy into that sales pitch did you???



I doubt it's going to be as good as a USA, but it is true that you can have a usable trem on the higher end squiers. I thought the video was pretty honest, they've reviewed CV's before and tend to agree with most peoples findings on them.


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Post subject: Re: Flogging the dead horse.
Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 11:52 am
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i'm not in denial of any statement apart from the statement you made about the squier falling to pieces, but because you said it i guess it must be true, after all you a leading expert on the subject arent you?

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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 1:26 pm
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alfunkz wrote:
i'm not in denial of any statement apart from the statement you made about the squier falling to pieces, but because you said it i guess it must be true, after all you a leading expert on the subject arent you?

oh. "falling to pieces" ='s wouldn't stay in tune.

I think the guyz eloquently made my point, USA, "massively, massively better". But, they've got Squiers to sell so...they have a bias and did a bit of...fluffing...for the masses.

I'm surprised nobody knows if a Hwy 1 neck and Callaham bridge are drop-ins' on a CV 50's body. :shock:

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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 1:59 pm
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oh. "falling to pieces" ='s wouldn't stay in tune.

I remember seeing them tune it once at the beginning of the demo, and that was because it was fresh from the box and needed tuning i guess, as anyone would expect with any fesh from the box guitar. Oh and possibly after dive bombing the tremolo, which is a characteristic of any guitar with a floating trem (yes even your perfect/upgraded guitar). To me falling to pieces means not in one piece or broken.

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I think the guyz eloquently made my point, USA, "massively, massively better". But, they've got Squiers to sell so...they have a bias and did a bit of...fluffing...for the masses.
Someone give the record player a nudge i think its stuck again :D.

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I'm surprised nobody knows if a Hwy 1 neck and Callaham bridge are drop-ins' on a CV 50's body.

Errrrrmmmmmm did i not answer that on another thread. I'm surprised you haven't answered my question about you buying duff guitars from craigslist, even though you have the opportunity to meet with the seller and try them out first, yet still you say its a qc issue on fenders part

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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 2:21 pm
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alfunkz wrote:
Errrrrmmmmmm did i not answer that on another thread. I'm surprised you haven't answered my question about you buying duff guitars from craigslist, even though you have the opportunity to meet with the seller and try them out first, yet still you say its a qc issue on fenders part


...you've got an interesting lens. lol.

Errrrrrrmmmmmm...I must have missed your answer, been bizzee here. I'll take a look! Thank you for your reply!

And, I don't know nothin' 'bout no duff guitar nor craigslist. And, wut in the hail does randomly purchasing new Squiers have to do with craigslist and duff guitars?

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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 3:19 pm
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Actually you replied to my answer you never missed it at all, another example of you not checking what you have written in the past before replying to someone.

So you are telling me that you haven't purchased from craigslist? Think about this carefully i want you to be 100% percent certain in your reply

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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 4:36 pm
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alfunkz wrote:
Actually you replied to my answer you never missed it at all, another example of you not checking what you have written in the past before replying to someone.

So you are telling me that you haven't purchased from craigslist? Think about this carefully i want you to be 100% percent certain in your reply

...oy. Like I said, been bizzee! Sorry if I just glossed over all of that. Thanks again for your reply -- your reply was vague, however!

And, I've never, *ever* purchased anything from craigslist, but...my roommate has. So, I've had lots of experience with craigslist via helping my roommate shop out guitars on craigslist.

...think about this very carefully too. I want *you* to be 100% certain in your reply as well!

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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 5:02 pm
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no need to think, my answer was only vague if you are not certain what you are talking about, i'll spell it out for you.

the pickguard holes will more than likely not line up therefore you will need to fill and drill them.

the neck bolt holes will possibly have the same issues with the same outcome.

as will the tremelo holes, also the string spacing may differ.

The CV does have a full size body so the callaham will not protrude out the back and you will still be able to fit the spring cover.

If your roommate insisted you run across the freeway naked in front of an 18 wheeler would you do it?

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alfunkz wrote:
If your roommate insisted you run across the freeway naked in front of an 18 wheeler would you do it?

no. Would you? However, if she asked me to shop-out a guitar on craigslist and go to a seller with her...I'd do it, have done it multiple times, and will do it again! We have a lot of fun driving around, munching out, ...watching people lie, lie, lie. lol. Funniest craigslist visit was an Ovation viper that was no where near mint condition, the frets were gone, dents, dings, the picture was from when he got it I guess, nice picture, bs description...that was our first visit I think...yeah, it was. After that experience, we grilled them hard, got Squiers dirt-cheap, Brawley's dirt cheap.

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