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Post subject: what's the different bout' calif's,std's & affi's strat?
Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 6:40 am
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i mean the hardware, wood, work detail and finishing..


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Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 6:06 pm
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I don't know about the California Series, because I don't think they are available in the US, but from what I know, the Standards use Alinco pickups, have either Alder or Agathis bodies, and have pretty decent hardware. I think the Affinity's do not have Alinco pickups, but are made of the same woods as the Standards, but I think the Affinity bodies are not as thick as the Standards. And I have never played an Affinity, so I don't know about the hardware. From what I understand though, the Standard Series are more similar to the Fender specs (body thickness & features), while Affinitys are a little different.

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why the standard series use agathis?? it's a bad wood for guitar bodies.. less attack,less sustain,soft body etc... in the otherway it's bad.

but the affinty(as we know cheaper ver than std) use alder for every type of it.i think if the problem only on the finishing and PU's, then it can be fixed

and how tell the different if it's use agathis or alder when you have/seen the standard series??


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why the standard series use agathis?? it's a bad wood for guitar bodies.. less attack,less sustain,soft body etc... in the otherway it's bad.

but the affinty(as we know cheaper ver than std) use alder for every type of it.i think if the problem only on the finishing and PU's, then it can be fixed

and how tell the different if it's use agathis or alder when you have/seen the standard series??


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why the standard series use agathis?? it's a bad wood for guitar bodies.. less attack,less sustain,soft body etc... in the otherway it's bad.

but the affinty(as we know cheaper ver than std) use alder for every type of it.i think if the problem only on the finishing and PU's, then it can be fixed

and how tell the different if it's use agathis or alder when you have/seen the standard series??


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Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 1:55 pm
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I'm not sure why they use Agathis, but all 4 of my Squier Standard Teles are agathis, and I don't have any complaints about them. I have not noticed any of the negative issues with these guitars that you mention in your message. These guitars are heavy with a lot of sustain and attack. As far as the Alder on the Affinities, thats what the website for Squier says, but some of the info there is incorrect, so I am not sure how accurate it is, because even though the website for Squier says Alder or Agathis on the Standards, most people seem to think that the bodies are Agathis. You also have to remember that wood has different grades or quality, even if its Alder, some will be better quality than others. I don't know what kind of Agathis they are using, but it sounds nothing like how you think it sounds from your comments...

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which standard do you have?? china or Indonesia???

cuz in indonesia agathis are used to make furniture not guitar.my friend told me, "even the best agathis would not sound as good as a low quality alder, that's why none of any luthier use it". FYI my friend is a fender expert, so he knows a lot 'bout this kind of things.


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Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 3:17 pm
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All made in Indonesia, and they sound fine to me, in fact, I cannot feel or hear any differences between my Squiers made of Agathis and the higher priced Alder Fender Standard Teles I have played. If its possible, you just need to try one for yourself and see if you like it. I cannot find anything wrong with Agathis. Maybe if you are making an acoustic guitar the type of wood matters because the guitar is relying upon itself to be heard, whereas with electric guitars, while wood matters and there are differences with woods, I think since you are going to plug into an amp, the differences or quality of wood do not matter as much as long as it is a solid piece of wood.

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if the doesn't make any major difference why fender uses alder/ash and gibson uses mahogany??? why they don't use agathis cuz it's price are cheaper???

i found couple of problems with agathis... it has a bad sustain, and it absorb the string vibration cuz it soft charateristic


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If you don't like it then don't buy it. I don't mind Agathis, and have had good experiences with it, so no matter what you have to say about it, I just can't agree with you, cause I am not experiencing any of those issues. You don'lt like Agathis, and have had bad exreriences with it, so no matter what I have to say about it, you just can't agree with me, cause you have have issues with Agathis. So we'll leave it as a matter of personal prefernce.

As far as the wood differences, I guess there are differences I don't look into the specifics or science between those differences, its an instriment, and as long as it sounds good, I am not really worried about or really care what its made of. So I guess if you are worried about getting an Agathis bodied Squier, either try out as many Squiers as you can and pick what sounds best or what you can verify as not being Agathis, or just save to get a Fender....I don't know why they chose Agathis specifically, but its either because its cheaper or just more available than Alder in the area where the Indonesian factory is where Squiers are made may have been a contributing factor.

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you've got some point there man... the truth is, im the same type with you.im a player not a collector.i play everything which my ears feel good at it.

im just curious why almost every people i know told me that agathis are not as good as alder.since they have almost similar tonability.

and FYI one of my guitar uses agathis,and i play it in many gigs.but onething bother why everybody told me my guitar are not as good as their guitar.


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Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 5:35 pm
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I wouldn't worry too much about what other people say as long as it sounds good to you and your band mates. Sometimes people will just say negative things because they are actually jealous. Most of the people I run into who put down or say negative stuff about people's gear usually are people who can't play that well, so they can't say anything bad about your playing, so they'll just say something bad about what you played it on.

If it sounds good to you, just turn it up louder, and you won't be able to hear what people have to say about your guitar :twisted:

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Agathis- Wikipedia

"The genus Agathis, commonly known as kauri or dammar, forms a relatively small genera of 21 species of evergreen trees in the very ancient Araucariaceae family of conifers. While intially widespread during the Jurassic period they are now found only in small areas of the southern hemisphere. The trees have characteristically very large trunks and little or no branching for some way up. "

Agathis is sometimes referred to as "commercial grade mahogany". It is
indigenous to the Far East and South Pacific areas.This is probably the reason indonesia uses this,its plentiful there.Fender is more than likely going to use what is closest to the factory.So, IMO its more of a manufacturing issue. From what I read its one of the oldest trees on the planet. There is absolutely nothing wrong with it to me.Who knows,if Agathis was very plentiful in America Fender could have built an industry on it and we would be sitting here debating whether or not alder is a good guitar wood......... IMO its splitting hairs.


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cejay825 wrote:
Agathis- Wikipedia

"The genus Agathis, commonly known as kauri or dammar, forms a relatively small genera of 21 species of evergreen trees in the very ancient Araucariaceae family of conifers. While intially widespread during the Jurassic period they are now found only in small areas of the southern hemisphere. The trees have characteristically very large trunks and little or no branching for some way up. "

Agathis is sometimes referred to as "commercial grade mahogany". It is
indigenous to the Far East and South Pacific areas.This is probably the reason indonesia uses this,its plentiful there.Fender is more than likely going to use what is closest to the factory.So, IMO its more of a manufacturing issue. From what I read its one of the oldest trees on the planet. There is absolutely nothing wrong with it to me.Who knows,if Agathis was very plentiful in America Fenser could have built an industry on it and we would be sitting here debating whether or not alder is a good guitar wood......... IMO its splitting hairs.


Wikipedia saves the day (again). Thanks for the info Cejay825 :D

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also from Wiki:

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The timber is straight-grained and of fine quality. The wood is commonly used in the manufacture of mid-ranged guitars, due to its good resonating properties, yet relatively low price of production.


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