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Post subject: Re: Proud Modified Squier Owner
Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 2:13 pm
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Rule 1, never buy a guitar without playing it first. That goes for Squier, Fender, Gibson....any brand.


...so much for Rule 1. I bought my Hwy 1 strat via an online seller, never played it, best guitar purchase I ever made!

Here's some used examples on craigslist today:

http://columbus.craigslist.org/msg/2774731298.html $425.00!!!, a steal!

http://cleveland.craigslist.org/msg/2816844743.html $430.00!!!, hmmm!

http://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/msg/2788970579.html $550.00!!, mint condition

http://charlotte.craigslist.org/msg/2810072470.html $550.00, 2011!!!

http://columbia.craigslist.org/msg/2780239596.html $500.00, yo yo, nice color, ash???!

http://delaware.craigslist.org/msg/2766463582.html $500.00, like new!

...you can get a better used Hwy 1 for the amount of money it would cost to get a new Squier and upgrade it and you still won't have the Fender USA quality of wood!


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Post subject: Re: Proud Modified Squier Owner
Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 2:36 pm
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..so much for Rule 1. I bought my Hwy 1 strat via an online seller, never played it, best guitar purchase I ever made!


I've seen better guitars than yours come from the factory with issues. You got lucky.

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Funny looking pound signs. No good to me. Oh and just how would I play any of those before purchasing ?

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...you can get a better used Hwy 1 for the amount of money it would cost to get a new Squier and upgrade it and you still won't have the Fender USA quality of wood!


Or get a MIM, upgrade the electrics and have plenty of change + the knowledge that you didn't pay extra to have a MIM stamped "made in the usa". The MIM is just the better deal. I can get one for $200, spend £60 on upgrades. Bish, Bash, Bosch......a HWY1 at a fraction of the £700 it would cost me.


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Post subject: Re: Proud Modified Squier Owner
Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 2:52 pm
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you can get a better used Hwy 1 for the amount of money it would cost to get a new Squier and upgrade it and you still won't have the Fender USA quality of wood!


i could buy a highway and upgrade it but i still wouldnt have the USA fender quality of wood, because even a lower level fender would have a lower grade wood as the higher spec models


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Post subject: Re: Proud Modified Squier Owner
Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 5:30 pm
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This guy seems to be enjoying his classic vibe tele. And is making some pretty amazing sounds with it...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcIw6KSB ... re=related


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Post subject: Re: Proud Modified Squier Owner
Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 10:20 pm
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old tom wrote:
This guy seems to be enjoying his classic vibe tele. And is making some pretty amazing sounds with it...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcIw6KSB ... re=related

I think those are the ones made out of pine, if I'm not mistaken. They used pine back in the 50's for awhile.


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Post subject: Re: Proud Modified Squier Owner
Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 11:00 pm
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old tom wrote:
This guy seems to be enjoying his classic vibe tele. And is making some pretty amazing sounds with it...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcIw6KSB ... re=related

ooh and look at all those other related videos with squiers they have to be hard to find as there arent many playable squiers out there :lol:


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Post subject: Re: Proud Modified Squier Owner
Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 11:25 pm
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I don't mind the discussion, I just don't like being called a troll and told that something that is clearly inferior is as good or better than something that's clearly superior!

And, I'm payin' it forward. ...nobody should have to go through the Squier experience in my book, unless they want to -- there should be a disclaimer and perfect explanation of the difference between the two lines so a consumer can make an informed choice. The Squier line gets too hyped up for what it is.

The most noticeable difference between the Squier and the Fender USA guitar is...out of the box, it's setup quite nice, it's more responsive to adjustments, and all adjustments yield a different and pleasant sounding guitar. The Squiers arrived poorly setup and just never dialed in for me and had defects to boot. Yeah, you can get a squier "sounding" good, but for my ear and touch...it's like the difference between...kool-aide and fresh squoze juice, the fresh squoze juice having more texture and a more organic flavor accompanied by a feeling of well-being, not utter despair every time you come to a complex passage and the guitar farts or goes out of tune or can't capture the subtle frequencies and nuances necessary to the song, at times it was like playing air guitar!

So, let's just agree to disagree and when a new post comes up and you want to say something and I want to say something, that's fine, let's just dispense with the vitriol, it's not necessary and counter-productive!

I'd rather come to the Fender forum and read objective, meaningful, funny, sometimes controversial, and polite threads and replies instead of hissy fits and peeing contests over the squier v. fender usa feud.

oh, and...I wasn't lucky getting a good Fender Hwy 1 off of an online seller, the quality and quality control are just that much better and there is almost no risk in a Fender USA purchase.

And, I frequently consult on used guitar online purchases cuz I can see when a guitar's got mojo, and when it don't, and I know exactly which questions to ask to get the information I need to make that judgement call -- I luv buying online, there are some incredible deals out there if you look too!

So, let's let all that other stuff go too and keep it real! okay?


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Post subject: Re: Proud Modified Squier Owner
Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 11:50 pm
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nobody should have to go through the Squier experience in my book
correction you are talking about the experience you say you have had with squiers, the squier experience is actually quite pleasant.

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there should be a disclaimer and perfect explanation of the difference between the two lines so a consumer can make an informed choice.

you think so? anyone in their right mind looking for a guitar would know the difference really.

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but for my ear and touch...

thats the first time you have said that and thats what it has been about all along.

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the guitar farts

doesnt that happen when the string isnt pressed down properly?

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it's not necessary and counter-productive!

neither are the derogative comments you made about squiers in the past.

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I frequently consult on used guitar online purchases cuz I can see when a guitar's got mojo, and when it don't, and I know exactly which questions to ask to get the information I need to make that judgement call

what went wrong with all the bad squiers then? :lol:


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Post subject: Re: Proud Modified Squier Owner
Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 12:31 am
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what went wrong with all the bad squiers then? :lol:


Apparently, during the time I ordered and purchased an M-80, a 51 Special, a CV 50's tele, and a CV 50's strat, and a MIM tele, there was obviously angry people manufacturing those guitars -- the guitars seemed to be sabotaged. I learned later there were employee complaints.

Then, I got 3 used Squiers, all good examples of Squiers. A/B'ing them with the Hwy 1, it's like A/B'ing kool-aide and fresh squoze juice! The Hwy 1 much more rigid, the tone much deeper, clearer, the differences emphatically indisputable when you have a CV 50 strat next to a Hwy 1 strat.

So, what went wrong with the new Squier purchases was quality control. What went wrong with the older Squiers was...effort, not a lot of effort was put into the necks and frets, and the hardware is junk. And setting aside feel, it will would take major surgery on each Squier for it to be technically sound, road worthy, playable, and here again...the Hwy 1 is just a better value at the price point of a Squier /w upgrades, the Hwy 1 wood just superior.

So feel, yes...I got the feel, but the Squiers just couldn't capture it, the Hwy 1 does. ...they Hwy 1 utterly fascinates me, the Squiers discourage me.


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Post subject: Re: Proud Modified Squier Owner
Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 3:48 am
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I don't mind the discussion, I just don't like being called a troll and told that something that is clearly inferior is as good or better than something that's clearly superior!


You bought guitars with manufacturing issues and you are trying to pretend they represent the best of the Squier range purely to justify your entry level Fender. Any way you look at it it's trollin, kid.

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And, I'm payin' it forward. ...nobody should have to go through the Squier experience in my book,


Getting a very usable guitar that has had many pro players amazed at it's playability ? Yes, nobody should have to go through that :lol:

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there should be a disclaimer and perfect explanation of the difference between the two lines so a consumer can make an informed choice.


Most people aren't as stupid as you clearly are. The various price points act as a clear enough guide.

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Squier line gets too hyped up for what it is.


Hate to disagree with everything you say, but no, no it isn't. Many people dismiss them based on a biased view.

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The most noticeable difference between the Squier and the Fender USA guitar is...out of the box, it's setup quite nice,


Wow, for the most part I do agree with this. Well done you 8)


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it's more responsive to adjustments, and all adjustments yield a different and pleasant sounding guitar.


It's a considerably more expensive guitar. Next you'll be telling us cancer is bad.

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The Squiers arrived poorly setup and just never dialed in for me and had defects to boot.


No, yours did. Mine was quite well set up, intonation was on the mark. Any adjustments I made were a matter of taste.

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Yeah, you can get a squier "sounding" good, but for my ear and touch...it's like the difference between...kool-aide and fresh squoze juice, the fresh squoze juice having more texture and a more organic flavor accompanied by a feeling of well-being,


You've certainly managed to convince yourself of that, but in reality it's quite silly.

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not utter despair every time you come to a complex passage and the guitar farts or goes out of tune or can't capture the subtle frequencies and nuances necessary to the song, at times it was like playing air guitar!


You bought damaged guitars without playing them first. That's not the experience most people have.

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So, let's just agree to disagree and when a new post comes up and you want to say something and I want to say something, that's fine, let's just dispense with the vitriol, it's not necessary and counter-productive!


Feel free to post your experiences you had with your guitars, nobody has complained about that. I've played some trash squiers myself. In future threads you need to also point out you bought them unseen. You're busted guitars don't represent the whole brand though, that's the issue with you.

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I'd rather come to the Fender forum and read objective, meaningful, funny, sometimes controversial, and polite threads and replies instead of hissy fits and peeing contests over the squier v. fender usa feud.


There is no feud. The USA strats are much more expensive and therefore made from better quality parts. Overall they are going to be a better guitar, I've never heard anyone say otherwise. You're confused.

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oh, and...I wasn't lucky getting a good Fender Hwy 1 off of an online seller, the quality and quality control are just that much better and there is almost no risk in a Fender USA purchase.


QC is better, yes. That doesn't mean all Squiers are unplayable. I've always said play before you buy.

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So, let's let all that other stuff go too and keep it real! okay?


Sure thing. Feel free to let folk know your experiences, but don't pretend to speak for an entire brand based on buying lemons.

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Apparently, during the time I ordered and purchased an M-80, a 51 Special, a CV 50's tele, and a CV 50's strat, and a MIM tele, there was obviously angry people manufacturing those guitars -- the guitars seemed to be sabotaged. I learned later there were employee complaints.


Ok so we've gone from 3 to 5 squiers. Rule 1 try before you buy.


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Then, I got 3 used Squiers, all good examples of Squiers. A/B'ing them with the Hwy 1, it's like A/B'ing kool-aide and fresh squoze juice! The Hwy 1 much more rigid, the tone much deeper, clearer, the differences emphatically indisputable when you have a CV 50 strat next to a Hwy 1 strat.


So the more expensive ones are better ? Thanks for telling us :lol:

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So, what went wrong with the new Squier purchases was quality control. What went wrong with the older Squiers was...effort, not a lot of effort was put into the necks and frets, and the hardware is junk. And setting aside feel, it will would take major surgery on each Squier for it to be technically sound, road worthy, playable,


Professional players don't agree. I was amazed at the fretwork on mine. A new CV will cost me around £250, an new HWY1 will cost me between £6-700. Comparison is silly.


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Post subject: Re: Proud Modified Squier Owner
Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 4:02 am
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So the more expensive ones are better ? Thanks for telling us :lol:



...you're welcome! And, I'm not unintelligent. I have a high IQ, am well read, have a degree, and a few technical certifications. I've spent countless hours playing, taking apart, redoing guitars and guitar setups. And still...Squiers discourage me and the Hwy 1 thoroughly inspires me. I'm not even the least bit compelled to take one of those Squiers out of the closet. Do you want one? Wut chew got to trade for it?


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Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 9:28 am
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RCB-CA-USA wrote:
Muff Diver wrote:
So the more expensive ones are better ? Thanks for telling us :lol:



...you're welcome! And, I'm not unintelligent. I have a high IQ, am well read, have a degree, and a few technical certifications. I've spent countless hours playing, taking apart, redoing guitars and guitar setups. And still...Squiers discourage me and the Hwy 1 thoroughly inspires me. I'm not even the least bit compelled to take one of those Squiers out of the closet. Do you want one? Wut chew got to trade for it?



Yes, many of us are educated & experienced too. Owning a Squier doesn't denote a newbie by any means, particularly with the higher end models attracting a landslide of good reviews. I actually demoed strats from Squier Deluxe to MIM up to custom shop USA models a while back, suffice to say the HWY1 was fine, a nice guitar. In no way did it set itself apart from the pack for me though and the set up was far from perfect. The fretwork was ok. I ended up taking an Ibanez home on that day. Turns out that the coil tapped HSH Ibanez was far more versatile than any of the strats I played anyway.Thanks for the trade offer, I'm not really looking for a guitar that the current owner describes as unplayable. I may still get some kind of strat though.


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Post subject: Re: Proud Modified Squier Owner
Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 3:03 pm
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i still dont understand how you managed to buy so many bad squier guitars if you know when a guitar has mojo, and know all the right questions to ask, you can ask all the questions you like the buyer will tell you what you wanna hear so that you buy the guitar, it still boils down to one thing, trying before buying, you have been stung so many times this way and you are saying there is something wrong with squier guitars but not with the way you purchased them?

the moral of the story is.......... dont buy a guitar without playing it first. not dont buy a squier because they are all dog crap

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Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 4:00 pm
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This is quite comical. I thought of this after reading this thread:

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Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 4:10 pm
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Heilly wrote:
This is quite comical. I thought of this after reading this thread:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RKDifoyra8

this forum needs a like button haha

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