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Post subject: Proud Modified Squier Owner
Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 10:36 pm
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Just wanted to talk about my Squier Tele and Strat I have workrd on for the last couple years. I know there others out there who love theirs as much as I do mine. They both are Standards, not Affinities or Bullets. So I paid a little more for them to start with and there is a sizeable quality difference between them. My first Strat my kids bought me was an Affinity and I'm sorry, the pickups were just mud. So I decided to make it the best I could so I bought a Custom Shop Seymour Duncan loaded pickguard for $160.00 on E-bay from a Koa Strat a guy owned and had switched to humbuckers. Well, I set it up as perfect as it could get, the pickups sounded great, but the neck just wasn't right and even with new tuners it only stayed in tune part of the time. I realized it was as good as it was going to get,so I traded it and a littlemoney for a Standard Tele. The difference was incredible as far as craftmanship goes. Dressed frets, truss rod adjusted perfect it played like butter. BUT the pickups were a little weak, especially the neck. So I put a GFS mini-humbucker in the neck and a Dragonfire hot rail in the bridge and this guitar is amazing. I have taken it to shows and had guys in other bands play it and they are amazed.So I found a Standard Strat at a yardsale and switched out the pickups on it and set it up right and I wouldn't trade it for any US made Strat. Sometimes you find that right guitar for you and you can't let it go for anything. Well, I found two of them. Anyone else have an experience like this ?


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Post subject: Re: Proud Modified Squier Owner
Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 12:19 am
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yeah i was out looking for a MIM strat (was what i could afford at the time) the local shop didnt have any but showed me a CV 50's strat, i looked at him with that "but its a squier" look on my face, he chuckled like it wasnt the first time he had seen and told me to try it, to me it was like holding kylie minogue (well almost lol). i still havet done any mods apart from cavity shielding and dont intend to for a long while.

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Post subject: Re: Proud Modified Squier Owner
Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 12:28 am
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timateme wrote:
Anyone else have an experience like this ?


Not yet! I've tried a bunch of Squiers, wasn't happy.

There's 3 squiers in the closet. 2 nice examples of Strats, 1 CV 50's, w/ substantial upgrades and a nut adjustment.

The red/maple and black/rosewood squiers need to have the fretboards raked and rolled and polished, bad, new nuts (plastic nuts used) the electronics are junk, the hardware is junk, but the wood on both seem to be sound, a ...$500.00 plus investment on each squier to get it playing well enough to drag it around, and I can get a used Hwy 1 for less than buying and upgrading a squier, the hwy 1 far better altogether, call it a day.

The CV 50, same thing, ...almost. The body is good, the hardware is junk, the pickups are good, but the electronics are junk, and the neck is covered in plastic I find creepy to play, just doesn't have an organic feel and when I sweat, it's slippery, and when it's cold, it's too grippy. Here again, they Hwy 1 is more cost effective. The CV 50 would still cost more to ...sound like a Stratocaster.

But, as soon as I come across a squier that's a keeper, I've heard of them, I'll snatch it up and come back to this thread and let you know!


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Post subject: Re: Proud Modified Squier Owner
Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 12:51 pm
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the CV squiers hold their money very well on the preowned market compared to the highway selling at less than half its original price, it has already been established that you are very down beat on squiers in an earlier thread.

your personal experiences are just that and they do not account for the fact that almost every proffesional review of them seem to suggest the complete opposite, even being rated the best guitar upto 600 by some which includes the highway, go figure.

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The CV 50 would still cost more to ...sound like a Stratocaster.
correction, in your opinion it would cost more to make it sound how you would like it to, theres a difference

[/quote]as soon as I come across a squier that's a keeper, I've heard of them, I'll snatch it up and come back to this thread and let you know![/quote] you just need to go out and look for it instead of expecting it to fall on your doorstep.

sorry timateme this could drag on a bit


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Post subject: Re: Proud Modified Squier Owner
Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 1:36 pm
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Lots of stories of happy Squier owners out there. The fact that there are professional players out there who choose to play them alongside their much more expensive models speaks volumes about how capable some of them are. You'll always find 1 troll though :lol:


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Post subject: Re: Proud Modified Squier Owner
Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 1:48 pm
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Not yet! I've tried a bunch of Squiers, wasn't happy.



By your own admission you bough guitars without playing them first. Most of us know that's rule 1 of guitar buying.


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The red/maple and black/rosewood squiers need to have the fretboards raked and rolled and polished,


Incorrect. You bought used Squiers that by your own admission were real lemons. Let's not judge the whole brand for your mistakes.

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new nuts (plastic nuts used)


Same on lower end Fenders too. It's a £1.00 mod.

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the electronics are junk, the hardware is junk,


The same has been said of your USA stamped MIM. Go figure, kid.

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$500.00 plus investment on each squier to get it playing well enough to drag it around,


Professional guitar players don't agree.

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and I can get a used Hwy 1 for less than buying and upgrading a squier, the hwy 1 far better altogether, call it a day.


The HWY1 is a MIM with a wiring upgrade and stamped USA. A decent entry level strat, but budget parts used across the board so not really worth the money imo.

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and the neck is covered in plastic I find creepy to play,


Oh lord :P

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just doesn't have an organic feel and when I sweat, it's slippery, and when it's cold, it's too grippy.


Someone read Goldilocks once too many times as a child ?

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Here again, they Hwy 1 is more cost effective.


More cost effective because you prefer the neck finish ? WOW :lol:

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The CV 50 would still cost more to ...sound like a Stratocaster.


Click here, son. Totally stock CV 50's & 60's

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFaWYSr6d_Y


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But, as soon as I come across a squier that's a keeper, I've heard of them, I'll snatch it up and come back to this thread and let you know!


No, no you won't. You'll always look at the headstock first :idea:


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Post subject: Re: Proud Modified Squier Owner
Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 4:40 pm
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OKAY, OKAY, guys, I didn't mean to stir the pot this much. I forgot to say that own a music store and have 2 guitar techs that do work for us. One has been working on electrics and acoustics for 30 years. We do a lot of repairs on American Fender products and so we have been able to compare quality, wood, craftsmanship, and especially tone. I replaced the plastic nut in my Tele but we couldn't "absolutely" say there was a big difference in the tone of the guitar.....really. So I never have switched out the one in my Strat, I didn't see a reason for it. Now, alot of you guys are right about new Asian Squiers. Alot of them are crap out of the box. Especially the cheap Bullets. I've ordered brand new ones for customers and had to do repairs before you could play them. BUT, I've also had that happen on a high end PRS once too, the nut fell off out of the box ! The one thing I have noticed is that I don't see "Standard" and higher priced Squiers come back for repairs like I do the lower priced ones. I've also noticed that the newer models in the last couple of years are getting better each year, even the pickups. So Fender, I think is doing more QC inspections than they used to. All I'm sayin' is for you working guys on a budget, quit looking at that name on the headstock and sit down and play that thing before spending your hard earned money. Both guitars are made for Fender and their reputation is a big part of their business. I'm done.......


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Post subject: Re: Proud Modified Squier Owner
Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 7:05 pm
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timateme wrote:
OKAY, OKAY, guys, I didn't mean to stir the pot this much. I forgot to say that own a music store and have 2 guitar techs that do work for us. One has been working on electrics and acoustics for 30 years. We do a lot of repairs on American Fender products and so we have been able to compare quality, wood, craftsmanship, and especially tone. I replaced the plastic nut in my Tele but we couldn't "absolutely" say there was a big difference in the tone of the guitar.....really. So I never have switched out the one in my Strat, I didn't see a reason for it. Now, alot of you guys are right about new Asian Squiers. Alot of them are crap out of the box. Especially the cheap Bullets. I've ordered brand new ones for customers and had to do repairs before you could play them. BUT, I've also had that happen on a high end PRS once too, the nut fell off out of the box ! The one thing I have noticed is that I don't see "Standard" and higher priced Squiers come back for repairs like I do the lower priced ones. I've also noticed that the newer models in the last couple of years are getting better each year, even the pickups. So Fender, I think is doing more QC inspections than they used to. All I'm sayin' is for you working guys on a budget, quit looking at that name on the headstock and sit down and play that thing before spending your hard earned money. Both guitars are made for Fender and their reputation is a big part of their business. I'm done.......


With the plastic nut, I noticed that strings sound dead sooner! On another guitar that had a plastic nut that I had a bone nut put onto, it solved the strings sounding dead sooner issue! So, there's a huge difference between the performance of bone nuts and plastic nutz!


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Post subject: Re: Proud Modified Squier Owner
Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 12:31 am
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jeez man give it a rest will you, some people change the nuts some dont personally i havent, my guitar sustains extremely well, the tone is just fine, and the strings last as long as they should do. Why do i need to change the nut if it works "if it aint broke, don't fix it".

the only change i have made to my guitar is cavity shielding to reduce hum and it plays superbly and it always has, but if i asked you to play it i am sure it wouldnt infact i would probably feel like trashing it because you would tell me the frets need redressing and the pups are really bad (which are made alongside toneriders, very similar to the surfaris which retail at $60-$70), the electrics are shot and basically its only good for fire wood.

honestly dude you are better off on the fender side of the forum, i respect the fact that your not a fan of squiers honestly i do, but i dont respect the way you have told evryone that squiers are all dog crap. look around this and other squier forums and read how happy we all are with our guitars, some have done modifications and some havent, and maybe you will realise that you really have been unlucky with your experiences of squier. and i dont think you will ever find a squier you will like because its a squier, not a fender.

if pinky and the brain couldn't rule the world, you are not going to stop people buying and playing squier guitars


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Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 6:40 am
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timateme wrote:
OKAY, OKAY, guys, I didn't mean to stir the pot this much. I forgot to say that own a music store and have 2 guitar techs that do work for us. One has been working on electrics and acoustics for 30 years. We do a lot of repairs on American Fender products and so we have been able to compare quality, wood, craftsmanship, and especially tone. I replaced the plastic nut in my Tele but we couldn't "absolutely" say there was a big difference in the tone of the guitar.....really. So I never have switched out the one in my Strat, I didn't see a reason for it. Now, alot of you guys are right about new Asian Squiers. Alot of them are crap out of the box. Especially the cheap Bullets. I've ordered brand new ones for customers and had to do repairs before you could play them. BUT, I've also had that happen on a high end PRS once too, the nut fell off out of the box ! The one thing I have noticed is that I don't see "Standard" and higher priced Squiers come back for repairs like I do the lower priced ones. I've also noticed that the newer models in the last couple of years are getting better each year, even the pickups. So Fender, I think is doing more QC inspections than they used to. All I'm sayin' is for you working guys on a budget, quit looking at that name on the headstock and sit down and play that thing before spending your hard earned money. Both guitars are made for Fender and their reputation is a big part of their business. I'm done.......



Pretty much my findings too. You haven't stirred the pot btw, RCB is a Squier troll.

I change plastic nuts on my guitars usually to improve tuning stability with a trem. In over 25 years of doing this I find the "tone" argument to be a flawed one. A well cut...well lubed plastic nut can be just fine.


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Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 8:47 am
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timateme wrote:
OKAY, OKAY, guys, I didn't mean to stir the pot this much. I forgot to say that own a music store and have 2 guitar techs that do work for us. One has been working on electrics and acoustics for 30 years. We do a lot of repairs on American Fender products and so we have been able to compare quality, wood, craftsmanship, and especially tone. I replaced the plastic nut in my Tele but we couldn't "absolutely" say there was a big difference in the tone of the guitar.....really. So I never have switched out the one in my Strat, I didn't see a reason for it. Now, alot of you guys are right about new Asian Squiers. Alot of them are crap out of the box. Especially the cheap Bullets. I've ordered brand new ones for customers and had to do repairs before you could play them. BUT, I've also had that happen on a high end PRS once too, the nut fell off out of the box ! The one thing I have noticed is that I don't see "Standard" and higher priced Squiers come back for repairs like I do the lower priced ones. I've also noticed that the newer models in the last couple of years are getting better each year, even the pickups. So Fender, I think is doing more QC inspections than they used to. All I'm sayin' is for you working guys on a budget, quit looking at that name on the headstock and sit down and play that thing before spending your hard earned money. Both guitars are made for Fender and their reputation is a big part of their business. I'm done.......



Pretty much my findings too. You haven't stirred the pot btw, RCB is a Squier troll.

I change plastic nuts on my guitars usually to improve tuning stability with a trem. In over 25 years of doing this I find the "tone" argument to be a flawed one. A well cut...well lubed plastic nut can be just fine.


RCB purchased many Squier guitars and has 3 in the closet. I never had a good experience with a Squier guitar. But, I'm having a wonderful experience with my Hwy 1 strat. Just giving some honest feedback! If you can't handle the heat...


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Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 12:28 pm
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RCB purchased many Squier guitars and has 3 in the closet. I never had a good experience with a Squier guitar. But, I'm having a wonderful experience with my Hwy 1 strat. Just giving some honest feedback! If you can't handle the heat...


i just dont understand why you purchased so many if you have had such bad experiences, do you buy food you dont like, or clothes that dont fit you? i very much doubt it.

theres a world of difference between honest feedback and the way you talk about squier guitars


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Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 1:03 pm
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RCB purchased many Squier guitars and has 3 in the closet. I never had a good experience with a Squier guitar. But, I'm having a wonderful experience with my Hwy 1 strat. Just giving some honest feedback! If you can't handle the heat...


i just dont understand why you purchased so many if you have had such bad experiences, do you buy food you dont like, or clothes that dont fit you? i very much doubt it.

theres a world of difference between honest feedback and the way you talk about squier guitars


My feedback is thoroughly honest. The way I talk about Squiers is as follows: I gave Squier a good try. I tried lots of Squiers. Lots. I discovered: Squiers are made with low quality wood and cheap parts, and no matter how much you invest in low quality wood via expensive parts, you still end up with low quality wood. I have a Hwy 1 strat to compare the Squiers too, the Hwy 1 wood is far superior to the Squier wood.

It makes zero sense to me to buy a Squier and do upgrades when you can find a used Fender USA model with substantially better wood for about the same price it would cost to buy a new Squier and do minor upgrades, and the used USA is usually ready to play, immediately.

Had I not purchased so many Squiers, then my posts would be dishonest. But, I bought a lot of Squiers, found them to be highly inferior, and am happy with Fender USA guitars -- my posts are brutally honest, all of the Squiers I played sucked, bad, new used, upgraded...sucked!


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RCB purchased many Squier guitars and has 3 in the closet. I never had a good experience with a Squier guitar.


Professional guitarists have.


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But, I'm having a wonderful experience with my Hwy 1 strat.


Cool, I've always said there's nothing wrong with a MIM. Upgrade the wiring, stamp it "made in the usa" and you have a HWY1. It's cheaper to upgrade the MIM's wiring btw, but of course it won't have that stamp you feel makes all the difference :lol: .

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Just giving some honest feedback! If you can't handle the heat...


No problem with you telling us anything about your guitars. It's just when you claim to speak for the entire brand and make foolish statements based on guitars you bought unseen that you start to make yourself look trollish.


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My feedback is thoroughly honest.


You bought damaged guitars and claimed they represented the entire range. Nothing honest about that.

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Squiers are made with low quality wood and cheap parts,


Like MIMs. Your HWY1 is made from MIM parts. That means it's made from inferior materials by your own assertions.

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and no matter how much you invest in low quality wood via expensive parts, you still end up with low quality wood


True. Entry level Fenders like yours suffer this too.

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It makes zero sense to me to buy a Squier and do upgrades when you can find a used Fender USA model with substantially better wood for about the same price it would cost to buy a new Squier and do minor upgrades, and the used USA is usually ready to play, immediately.


2 Stock CV's. they sound pretty good for a budget range. All reviews say they are very playable too. Here, take a look......again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFaWYSr6d_Y


I can get one of these for £250 is. A HWY1 will cost me around £7-750. Silly comparison.


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Had I not purchased so many Squiers, then my posts would be dishonest. But, I bought a lot of Squiers,


Yes, busted ones. They don't represent the best of the brand in any way.

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and am happy with Fender USA guitars


You own an entry level strat made with MIM parts.

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my posts are brutally honest,


No, they are misleading.

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all of the Squiers I played sucked, bad, new used, upgraded...sucked!


They would suck, you bought them damaged. You admitted as much way back. Rule 1, never buy a guitar without playing it first. That goes for Squier, Fender, Gibson....any brand.


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