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Post subject: Re: What are the actual differences between a Squier and Fen
Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 1:11 pm
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Thanks, I read the Wiki page.

As an economics professor, I cannot wait to use this example of price discrimination later on this semester. Say your customers can be broken down into two (or more) types. The first type (low demanders) are not willing to pay as much for your product AND they don't care about the brand. The second type (high demanders) are willing to pay more for the exact same item, but also care about the brand. So you charge more for the exact same item with the desirable brand and less for the exact same item with the less desirable brand. If you only have one brand, then you are forced to either: 1) charge the higher price the high demandeds are willing to pay, but you lose sales to the low demanders. Or 2) charge a price to entice the low demanders, but then lose revenue by having too low a price for the high demanders. There are versions of this with quality differentials too, so long as the desire for quality goes along with the desire for label (Squire vs. Fender, vs. American Fender). That the price differential is > the quality differential is evidence that this is the strategy. I love it.


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Post subject: Re: What are the actual differences between a Squier and Fen
Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 1:20 pm
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Uh, yeah, sure, ok.

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Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 3:00 pm
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ScreamingBlueMessiah wrote:
Thanks, I read the Wiki page.

As an economics professor, I cannot wait to use this example of price discrimination later on this semester. Say your customers can be broken down into two (or more) types. The first type (low demanders) are not willing to pay as much for your product AND they don't care about the brand. The second type (high demanders) are willing to pay more for the exact same item, but also care about the brand. So you charge more for the exact same item with the desirable brand and less for the exact same item with the less desirable brand. If you only have one brand, then you are forced to either: 1) charge the higher price the high demandeds are willing to pay, but you lose sales to the low demanders. Or 2) charge a price to entice the low demanders, but then lose revenue by having too low a price for the high demanders. There are versions of this with quality differentials too, so long as the desire for quality goes along with the desire for label (Squire vs. Fender, vs. American Fender). That the price differential is > the quality differential is evidence that this is the strategy. I love it.

.....save for the fact that an Fender American Standard Stratocaster is not EXACTLY the same as an Fender MIM Standard, or a Chinese built Squier Standard.

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Post subject: Re: What are the actual differences between a Squier and Fen
Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 3:22 pm
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ScreamingBlueMessiah wrote:
Thanks, I read the Wiki page.

As an economics professor, I cannot wait to use this example of price discrimination later on this semester. Say your customers can be broken down into two (or more) types. The first type (low demanders) are not willing to pay as much for your product AND they don't care about the brand. The second type (high demanders) are willing to pay more for the exact same item, but also care about the brand. So you charge more for the exact same item with the desirable brand and less for the exact same item with the less desirable brand. If you only have one brand, then you are forced to either: 1) charge the higher price the high demandeds are willing to pay, but you lose sales to the low demanders. Or 2) charge a price to entice the low demanders, but then lose revenue by having too low a price for the high demanders. There are versions of this with quality differentials too, so long as the desire for quality goes along with the desire for label (Squire vs. Fender, vs. American Fender). That the price differential is > the quality differential is evidence that this is the strategy. I love it.

.....save for the fact that an Fender American Standard Stratocaster is not EXACTLY the same as an Fender MIM Standard, or a Chinese built Squier Standard.


Psssstttt: Don't tell the prof about Custom Shop guitars, particulaly Masterbuilts. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post subject: Re: What are the actual differences between a Squier and Fen
Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 4:38 pm
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ZZDoc wrote:
ScreamingBlueMessiah wrote:
Thanks, I read the Wiki page.

As an economics professor, I cannot wait to use this example of price discrimination later on this semester. Say your customers can be broken down into two (or more) types. The first type (low demanders) are not willing to pay as much for your product AND they don't care about the brand. The second type (high demanders) are willing to pay more for the exact same item, but also care about the brand. So you charge more for the exact same item with the desirable brand and less for the exact same item with the less desirable brand. If you only have one brand, then you are forced to either: 1) charge the higher price the high demandeds are willing to pay, but you lose sales to the low demanders. Or 2) charge a price to entice the low demanders, but then lose revenue by having too low a price for the high demanders. There are versions of this with quality differentials too, so long as the desire for quality goes along with the desire for label (Squire vs. Fender, vs. American Fender). That the price differential is > the quality differential is evidence that this is the strategy. I love it.

.....save for the fact that an Fender American Standard Stratocaster is not EXACTLY the same as an Fender MIM Standard, or a Chinese built Squier Standard.


Psssstttt: Don't tell the prof about Custom Shop guitars, particulaly Masterbuilts. :lol: :lol: :lol:

He's new to the Forums and welcome, but perhaps not new to Fender guitars. If so, he'll find out soon enough. :wink:

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Post subject: Re: What are the actual differences between a Squier and Fen
Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 5:56 pm
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Sorry, got too enthusiastic about adding electric guitars to my teaching college kids!

Yeah, there is certainly a quality difference across the whole line. I am just saying there are $199-$399 Squires and $399-$499 Fenders and according to all I am reading here, there is a valid discussion as to whether you get a lot for an extra 25% in price. Economic theory suggests Fender (where the brand "Fender" means something) would do well to offer a similar quality guitar (with "Squire" label) for less. Otherwise, why not put a "Fender" logo on the Squire headstock for $299?

Also, I am a member of a few boards and I know the newbie etiquette. I'll behave.

BTW, until I read this thread, I had no interest in one of those "crap" Squires, but now I am wondering if Squires might be hidden gems.


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Post subject: Re: What are the actual differences between a Squier and Fen
Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 7:12 pm
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I don't think "economic theory" has anything to do with how/why people buy guitars.

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Post subject: Re: What are the actual differences between a Squier and Fen
Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 7:31 pm
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Sorry, got too enthusiastic about adding electric guitars to my teaching college kids!

Yeah, there is certainly a quality difference across the whole line. I am just saying there are $199-$399 Squires and $399-$499 Fenders and according to all I am reading here, there is a valid discussion as to whether you get a lot for an extra 25% in price. Economic theory suggests Fender (where the brand "Fender" means something) would do well to offer a similar quality guitar (with "Squire" label) for less. Otherwise, why not put a "Fender" logo on the Squire headstock for $299?

Also, I am a member of a few boards and I know the newbie etiquette. I'll behave.

BTW, until I read this thread, I had no interest in one of those "crap" Squires, but now I am wondering if Squires might be hidden gems.

Find yourself a Squier Classic Vibe 50's or 60;s and check it out. Also....the spelling on the headstock :wink:

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Post subject: Re: What are the actual differences between a Squier and Fen
Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 8:25 am
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main difference is the Branding which actually made Fenders become a lot more expensive IMO... plus Squiers uses cheaper kind of woods and materials... overall there are guitars and basses that can even compete with high end equips and are being used for gigs..

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Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 8:22 pm
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ScreamingBlueMessiah wrote:
BTW, until I read this thread, I had no interest in one of those "crap" Squires, but now I am wondering if Squires might be hidden gems.


Since January I have had a MIM Blacktop Strat which I quickly traded because the Squier before it was a way better instrument, and 9 other Squiers until I arrived at my current CV 60's in Metallic red with a rosewood fretboard. Maybe I have just been real lucky but all of them, the Squiers, were great sounding, quality instruments at an affordable price for beginner to intermediate musicians. The only reason I didn't keep them all is that until I found "Detra", my current and only one, appropriately named after my wife, was that they just didn't quite "Talk" to me. They are "Hidden gems" for sure but way to many gear and tone snobs knock them and pass them by because of nothing more or mostly because of the price point. They can and some do have flaws, but that's what warranty and customer satisfaction guarantees are in place for. Play one or five before you buy, and when you can't try and find somewhere you can or take the plunge, order online. Play it. If it isn't good for you after a week or two, seek a refund or trade or something.

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Post subject: Re: What are the actual differences between a Squier and Fen
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As soon as they see fit to put a period correct V-neck on the CV 50's, :idea: I might do just that. :wink:

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Post subject: Re: What are the actual differences between a Squier and Fen
Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 12:36 am
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I thought I read all the posts, but I want to ask this question anyways.

I want to know as technically as someone can tell me, about the body, neck and head between a squier and mexican. I am talking in terms of sound mainly, but also play-ability.

Like if you replaced the pickups, strings, nut, and bridge, and other things with the exact same parts, how different would they sound? and how different would they play? I already know they are made in different factories, they cut back and things, but I would like to know if this effects the actual sound when comparing a squier and mexican fender.

I have played back and forth at GC, the USA is obviously superior. However its a mixed reaction on the Squier and Mexican's because they mostly play the same when playing high end squier's and lower end mexican fenders.

My dilemma is, I am looking at two similar guitars, a Squier J5 tele, and a Mexican Fender Classic Series 72 Deluxe tele. The Mexican is almost twice as much(75% more to be exact), but I am wondering if the increase is just cause of better pickups, or if its a way better body, neck and head.


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Post subject: Re: What are the actual differences between a Squier and Fen
Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 11:16 am
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ScreamingBlueMessiah wrote:
Thanks, I read the Wiki page.

As an economics professor, I cannot wait to use this example of price discrimination later on this semester. Say your customers can be broken down into two (or more) types. The first type (low demanders) are not willing to pay as much for your product AND they don't care about the brand. The second type (high demanders) are willing to pay more for the exact same item, but also care about the brand. So you charge more for the exact same item with the desirable brand and less for the exact same item with the less desirable brand. If you only have one brand, then you are forced to either: 1) charge the higher price the high demandeds are willing to pay, but you lose sales to the low demanders. Or 2) charge a price to entice the low demanders, but then lose revenue by having too low a price for the high demanders. There are versions of this with quality differentials too, so long as the desire for quality goes along with the desire for label (Squire vs. Fender, vs. American Fender). That the price differential is > the quality differential is evidence that this is the strategy. I love it.


Pretty much. There are differences in materials and workmanship, but not proportionate to how much more you pay for an American made Fender vs. a Squier.

I have used the same Squier Strat for almost 15 years now and up until recently it has done well for me. Most of the problems now stem from previous poor maintinence (my fault) and a few minor repairs that are just now becoming a problem. It is just as likely that I would have had these same problems with a MIA Fender.


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Post subject: Re: What are the actual differences between a Squier and Fen
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Screaming Blue.... lets put it into a slightly different context, a Car. Chevrolet is a good example... ALL CHEVY'S, are GM's. But, you could go and buy a "Bel-Air".... a basically "utilitarian" version of the Chevy Impala. Lower level of interior appointments, cheaper Radio, Vinyl seats, plain trim.. etc.
OR.... You could buy an Impala! Better interior, Better Seat options, Upgraded sound, paint, interior options etc. More power train options...the mainstay of the Chevy stable!
OR... you could order the "decked out" Caprice!! With all the bells and Whistles!! Top of the line everything. All three are based upon the SAME design.

Now, if you Bought a Cheaper Bel Air.... It will drive and do most all the same stuff that a Caprice can. However....You CAN have the Seats redone better. You CAN, install a killer sound system, you CAN, get a custom paint Job. Engine improvements..Redo the interior.. customize to you hearts content!! etc etc.
Will it BE an ACTUAL Caprice?? No. Will it look like, run like, and do virtually everything a Caprice could?? You betcha!

there you are...


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Post subject: Re: What are the actual differences between a Squier and Fen
Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 4:55 pm
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I haven't read all of the posts on this topic but, Joe, I love your post.
I started learning at age 13; I have played in several bands and just when I thought it was all over I am in a band again at age 68!
I have a Squier Stratocaster, my second; I originally owned an American Stratocaster circa 1963.
Now there is a difference as has been mentioned but I took my guitar to my local music shop to get some help with a jammed string and all the guy could do was drool over it, especially the maple neck!
I say, if it plays well, sounds good and you love it then nothing else matters.

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