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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 6:47 am
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No we're not missing the point you don't like squier we get it but telling squire owners and players that their instrument is no good is not gonna make you any fans on a squire forum.

Maybe popping along the fender forum and posing the same question might help you. or even trying a high end squire nowadays you will be pleasantly surprised and if your friends gig their squiers instead of their senders then surely the squiers are perfectly giggable guitars so you have just shot your own theory out of the water, and your friends are also playing in the wrong establishments


Like I said, some of youz guyz just don't git it. We are not telling squier owners or squier players *any thing*. We are simply answering a question. And some Squier owners simply can't handle the truth. Squiers are cheap imitations of the real thing. The cubic zirconia of guitars. And further, after my Squier experiences (100% defective out of the box), I'd rather starve and save my pennies for a used USA strat than to waste time and money on a cheap imitation. Been there, done that, won't do it again and strongly recommend doing the same...unless you want to waste time and money.

And, I have not shot my theory out of the water. Just because a few players heavily modify a Squier guitar, or find one out of 200 worth playing, to play in place of a real Fender so the real Fender don't get stolen proves my theory. The Fender guitars are so much better than Squier, they're used as bait to distract a thief -- even a thief knows a Squier isn't worth stealing!


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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 9:06 am
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RCB yes we do get it, you dont like squier guitars. By your own admission only 1-2% of squier guitars are at best playable, that if you really think about it is a ridiculous statement to make (1-2% not playable is a little more realistic) i am sure fender/squiers quality control is better than you are suggesting.

yes we all know that from the early 90s to early/mid 00s squiers standards slipped somewhat, but since then and in the last few years especially they have been producing some fantastic guitars. Yes bullet and affinity models are entry level but are very good beginners guitars, and lots of people are modifying them and making them their own guitars, i cant comment on the standard i have never actually picked one up.

The higher end squiers CV, VM, especially are getting some very very good reviews being compared to MIM fender models, getting better build, sound (the CV, VM having alnico pups, compared to the MIMs ceramic), feel, playability, and bang for buck ratings. So if they are being rated in a lot of cases better than MIM models, at worst that puts them right up there with your beloved Highway, so that makes it in my opinion a very fair comparison.

i was looking at fenders when i purchased my CV 50s, i couldnt really afford an MIA but wanted a fender because i owned a couple of the 90s-00s squiers and was put off by them myself, but now i wouldnt even look at a MIM, and honestly a highway either.

if the rumour is true that the highway is being decommissioned it wouldnt surprise me at all, and i am sure if these high end squiers had the fender logo you wouldnt think twice about picking one up and really enjoying it.

Honestly i really think you are being extremely harsh on the squier range of guitars, and if you were to find a top end model that was playable from the box and set it to how you like a guitar you would enjoy it.

i also think there is a big difference between how you would have a guitar setup, and how they are set in the factory, and a factory setup is just fine to get any beginner up and running.

if anyone reading this thread is in 2 minds about a squier guitar ignore anything you see in ANY comment, go to your local dealer and try them for yourself its the best way.

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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 9:11 am
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Like I said, some of youz guyz just don't git it.


Irony.

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Squiers are cheap imitations of the real thing.


I prefer the word, budget. The Squier, MIM & HWY1 lines are "budget" versions of the real thing, correct.

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And further, after my Squier experiences (100% defective out of the box),


I've had the same experience with some US strats. Guess they must all be dogs.

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I'd rather starve and save my pennies for a used USA strat than to waste time and money on a cheap imitation. Been there, done that,


And you have done it again with your "budget" HWY1 strat. A guitar that is being retired from being manufactured mainly due to the raising standards of the high end Squiers. There's just no room in the market for a modded MIM sold as a US strat.

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unless you want to waste time and money.


My Squier Deluxe gets played as much as my much more expensive models. This is because it plays well, at a fraction of the price of a US Fender too :D

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Just because a few players heavily modify a Squier guitar,


I'll stop you there. The second clip I posted was a stock Squier. You're welcome.

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to play in place of a real Fender so the real Fender don't get stolen proves my theory.


So why do they play both Squier & Fender models on the same gig ? Another myth busted. You make this too easy :lol:


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The Fender guitars are so much better than Squier


Some are, some not so much.

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they're used as bait to distract a thief -- even a thief knows a Squier isn't worth stealing!


And finally, the bait/troll post :lol:


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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 10:10 am
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they're used as bait to distract a thief -- even a thief knows a Squier isn't worth stealing!


And finally,... :lol:


...even a thief knows a Squier isn't worth stealing!

How's about a challenge! If you can show me one Squier that plays as good or better than my Highway One strat out of the box, I'll play that Squier! But...oops, u can't do that! The wood on the Squier is inferior. The electronics and hardware on the Squier are inferior. The paint on the Squier is inferior. The fit and finish on the Squier are inferior.

You are comparing a diamond (Fender USA) to cubic zerconia (Squier). Yeah, it looks similar. But, when you need that diamond to cut glass, well...it won't cut it, like the Squier won't cut it when it comes to tone and playability!

Again, I've got 3 squiers collecting dust here. If they were playable, they'd get lots of play and praise. But, they are not playable so they don't get played and they don't get praise, just condemnation to a closet until I can find some person who is willing to accept that "these Squier guitars suck, they don't compare to the USA Fenders, and no matter wut you do to them, they still suck...do you still want to buy them?"


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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 10:55 am
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stats copied from side by side comparison on fender website, not that much difference apart from the electrics, no mention of grades of wood. infact isnt most of the hardware squier use shipped from america in the first place?

and you couldnt give your guitars away now you have said what you have about squiers so no thanks you keep them you may need them someday.

as far as the challenge goes dont have to we have guitars that play as well as the highway, the challenge should be to you to go and pick up a modern squier and then judge because it seems clear you havent done that.


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Classic Vibe Stratocaster® '50s



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Highway One™

Classic Vibe



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011-1162-306




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Stratocaster®

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Satin Nitrocellulose Lacquer Finish
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Modern "C" Shape

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22

21



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Black Dot Position Inlays

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9.5" (24.1 cm)

9.5" (24.1 cm)



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Maple

Maple



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Satin Urethane




Nut Width

1.6875" (43 mm)

1.650” (42 mm)



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25.5" (64.8 cm)

25.5" (64.8 cm)



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Standard 4 Bolt

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Hot Single-Coil Strat® Bridge Pickup with Alnico 3 Magnets

Custom Vintage Style Single-Coil Strat® Bridge Pickup



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Neck Pickup

Hot Single-Coil Strat® Neck Pickup with Alnico 3 Magnets

Custom Vintage Style Single-Coil Strat® Neck Pickup



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5-Position Blade: Position 1. Bridge Pickup, Position 2. Bridge and Middle Pickup, Position 3. Middle Pickup, Position 4. Middle and Neck Pickup, Position 5. Neck Pickup

5-Position Blade: Position 1. Bridge Pickup, Position 2. Bridge and Middle Pickup, Position 3. Middle Pickup, Position 4. Middle and Neck Pickup, Position 5. Neck Pickup



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Greasebucket™ Tone Circuit (rolls off high without adding bass)




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Master Volume, Tone 1. (Neck Pickup) Greasebucket™ Tone Circuit, (Rolls Off Highs without Adding Bass) Tone 2. (Bridge Pickup), Greasebucket Tone Circuit

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.050" Hex (Allen) Wrench




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Fender® USA Super 250L's, NPS (.009-.042 Gauges)



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Satin Nitrocellulose Lacquer Body Finish, Parchment Plastic Parts, Large '70s Style Headstock Shape, Large '70s Style Headstock Logo, Original Body Shape, "Original Contour Body" Decal on Headstock, H/S/S Pickup Routing, Reverse Wound/Reverse Polarity Middle Pickup

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Deluxe Gig Bag




Polishing Cloth

Polishing Cloth Included




Control Knobs

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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 11:09 am
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infact here is the real challenge, find us a review of a high end squier that confirms everything you have said and i mean everything.

not a forum discussion but a professional online magazine review, oops you wont because not 1-2 in 100 squiers are as bad as you say they are for starters.

but if you do all's well and good, the arguement from me stops here

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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 11:25 am
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alfunkz wrote:
and you couldnt give your guitars away now you have said what you have about squiers so no thanks you keep them you may need them someday.


My conscience wouldn't let me sleep if I sold those Squiers without disclosing the defects and shortcomings to the buyer! So, I am comfortable with eating my loss and not passing those nightmares onto somebody else unless they still want them after full disclosure!


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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 11:49 am
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This is not getting anyone anywhere. To all future guitar purchasers I always recommend playing before paying. This is the only real test for any guitar. I have chosen Squiers to purchase over Fender models. I do have to admit that on my meager herd I do own more Fender guitars than Squiers at this time.

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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 12:31 pm
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i whole heartedly agree RK but absurd claims will always bring out a heated debate

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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 12:36 pm
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How's about a challenge!


Excellent, as long as you aren't going to suggest I purchase a HWY1 and a CV, fly to your country and bring them both to your house for you to road test them. I mean that would be ridiculous in the extreme.

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If you can show me one Squier that plays as good or better than my Highway One strat out of the box,



My oh my, you did :lol:

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I'll play that Squier!


Nobody is trying to get you to play a Squier. No we're just pointing out that your assertion that "Squiers are totally unplayable regardless of upgrades" is absolute nonsense. It's about a guitar for beginners.


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The wood on the Squier is inferior. The electronics and hardware on the Squier are inferior. The paint on the Squier is inferior. The fit and finish on the Squier are inferior.


As are all those things on your HWY1 entry level strat when compared with better models.

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You are comparing a diamond (Fender USA) to cubic zerconia (Squier). Yeah, it looks similar.


Again, that sounds like a good description of your HWY1 against better models.

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well...it won't cut it, like the Squier won't cut it when it comes to tone and playability!


Again, I've shown professional guitar players that prove that wrong, and yes they play USA strats too in the same shows LOL. Saying the same incorrect nonsense over & over don't make it right you know.

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Again, I've got 3 squiers collecting dust here. If they were playable, they'd get lots of play and praise. But, they are not playable so they don't get played and they don't get praise, just condemnation to a closet until I can find some person who is willing to accept that "these Squier guitars suck,


"These" being the operative word, yes. You're right there.

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they don't compare to the USA Fenders, and no matter wut you do to them


You mean to tell us that a £200 guitar isn't going to be better than a £1800 one, OH DAMN :lol: I have no problem believing that YOUR Squiers are crap. Others are very nice and very playable.

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.do you still want to buy them?"


Busted guitars, no thanks. I wouldn't allow your rookie purchasing mistakes to be passed on to me. I would however consider a CV at some point. I play before I buy you see. That way I can dismiss any QC issues before buying. It's a shame you weren't very savy, it's really guitar buying 101 at any price point.


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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 12:38 pm
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alfunkz wrote:
infact here is the real challenge, find us a review of a high end squier that confirms everything you have said and i mean everything.

not a forum discussion but a professional online magazine review, oops you wont because not 1-2 in 100 squiers are as bad as you say they are for starters.

but if you do all's well and good, the arguement from me stops here



Here's a good start.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOFTWdcovtw



The last edition of G&B magazine ran an article in the last issue too. They picked the best strats from cheapest to the most expensive. They used phrases like...

""This 2011 CV is every bit as impressive as the one we reviewed last year".

"It sustains beautifully and plays like a dream".


"The current models are amongst the best they've ever produced".


I could go on, truth be told.......I probably will :lol:


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Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 12:47 pm
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Demo of the 50's & 60's CV


Sounds quite nice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFaWYSr6d_Y



This one too, very nice sounding.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JDE564LAFE


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Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 1:00 pm
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Muff Diver wrote:
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they're used as bait to distract a thief -- even a thief knows a Squier isn't worth stealing!


And finally,... :lol:


...even a thief knows a Squier isn't worth stealing!



And Fender realise the HWY1 ain't fooling anyone. Well almost :lol: There's always a couple of corksniffers who will by a modded MIM aka HWY1 stamped with a US serial number :mrgreen:


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Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 1:45 pm
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how do they play those guitars straight out of the box arent they unplayable?

http://www.dolphinmusic.co.uk/article/3 ... -600-.html

and i quote "it gives fender a run for its money" and it wins awards too

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Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 2:53 pm
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Muff Diver wrote:
alfunkz wrote:
infact here is the real challenge, find us a review of a high end squier that confirms everything you have said and i mean everything.

not a forum discussion but a professional online magazine review, oops you wont because not 1-2 in 100 squiers are as bad as you say they are for starters.

but if you do all's well and good, the arguement from me stops here



Here's a good start.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOFTWdcovtw



The last edition of G&B magazine ran an article in the last issue too. They picked the best strats from cheapest to the most expensive. They used phrases like...

""This 2011 CV is every bit as impressive as the one we reviewed last year".

"It sustains beautifully and plays like a dream".


"The current models are amongst the best they've ever produced".


I could go on, truth be told.......I probably will :lol:


...the first CV I got had cracked peg holes, defective electronics, poor fit and finish along with a pretty inspection tag that clearly said it passed but obviously hadn't so I never had a chance to get at the tone.

...the second CV that arrived in replacement of the first one that arrived, from another run altogether, had similar defects, here again, couldn't get past the defects so I never had a chance to get at the tone.

...the third CV was purchased used, heavily modded by a world renowned shop here in California. ...okay, now we've got something to look at. nope, excellent specimen as far as Squier goes but insofar as; tone, presence, clarity, sustain, dynamics, the wood and paint are lifeless and the guitar pales in comparison to the Highway One strat I got sitting right here!

You do the math: Professional article writer promotes Fender Squier with glowing accolades and florid verbiage likening it to a much more expensive guitar! + ...retail customer w/ 3 CV 50's randomly picked out of the market, 2 defective, one lifeless after correct modifications for the guitars stated potential... and one Highway One strat, perfect, the recommendation...buy a used Highway One or almost any other used USA strat before you buy a Squier because the wood, frets, tuners, electronics, and etc. are all far superior and you won't have to mod the guitar like you would a Squier, which would end up costing your more to do and you could then buy an even better used USA model at that price point instead. ='s ...homey, I haven't got the conscience to write those remarks about the Squier after my experiences and I am shocked you are not consoling me instead, you helping to implore Fender to fix quality control and to use better quality components as the difference between perfection and junk at the prices being charged today is literally a few dollars more... ...you are hurting my feelings now. You are promoting shoddy quality control and inferior parts for the sake of saving a couple of dollars -- musicality be durned! :cry:

If you want, we'll literally film the dissecting of two strats showing the clear difference in components for the same price Squier new v. Fender Hwy 1 used -- the Hwy 1 the hand's down winner! Who wants to pitch in for the project??? 8)


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