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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 4:08 pm
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All good advice there.


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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 5:43 pm
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alfunkz wrote:
go to your local shop with someone who plays, tell the shop your budget , and that you are looking for a complete setup (guitar, amp, strap, picks, lead, spare strings). they should show you all they have to offer in your price range, pick them up try them sat down and with a strap standing up.

Thanks for the info. This means the first shop I tried gets discarded. I was allowed to touch only one Ibanez, just one set in my price range, standing up with no strap. It felt nice in my arms (I've only tried my brother's heavy longscale, this one felt right in comparison), but I wanted to try other brands and there was nothing available. They don't work with Squier either. The deal-breaker, however was their refusal to admit that shortscales do even exist. The guy insisted that guitars come only in one size and I should buy one that "felt right" among the regular sizes. I guess I'll have to move to a town where there's more than one shop, this one wasn't exactly helpful.

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some will feel better than others pick the ones you like the feel of before thinking of colours.
Sure makes sense :-) I tried to start playing guitar years ago with an acoustic. I couldn't do the first chord because my fingers didn't get to three frets. I am pestering the forums asking for advice because wherever I go asking for something my size, I am told it's going to be a "bad" guitar, of not enough quality, a "kiddie" guitar. Every shop assistant I've talked to swears it's impossible to get a good one. They've managed to scare me into thinking I'll never find a proper guitar.

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ask your friend to play them and check to see if the setup is ok, dont be afraid to ask if the shop will set the guitar up for you if they want to sell the guitar they will be happy to do this, some may charge a fee
I didn't thought of the last one, thanks again. It's these little things I need to sort.

Thank you very much for the advice! Now the difficult thing will be convincing my brother to come shopping with me.


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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 5:52 pm
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if your brother plays i am sure he will enjoy a bit of guitar shopping :D

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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 4:39 pm
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Hold the guitar and look down the neck and make sure it is straight, that is that the strings run parallel to the neck. If they are not, then ask if the neck needs adjusting, and will they do that. Check to see if the strings look too high, try pressing down the top E at the 7th and 12th fret.


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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 4:47 pm
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I dont see the point for budding guitarists of a certain level in buying a Squier guitar, surely you would wait untill you can afford a 'real' Fender instead of a cheap shoddy made alternative. :roll:

a Squier Actually Isn't that bad I have a friend who uses a Squire and it sounds great and he uses it to perform

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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 5:07 pm
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If properly set up, a Squier would seem to me to be an ideal 'starter' guitar, and in the case of something like the Classic Vibe series, has the potential to be much more than that as your playing improves.

To describe these guitars as 'shoddy made' is simply a snob reaction and does them a great injustice in my opinion.


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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 5:27 pm
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depepat wrote:

To describe these guitars as 'shoddy made' is simply a snob reaction and does them a great injustice in my opinion.


The problem is: On many occasions I too received new Squiers that were "shoddy", in my experiences, very defective. So, all of this is confirmed. We are not speculating, not angry, just helping other people avoid the Squier pitfall. This is the pragmatic observation of the facts as they unfolded before us. We are not snobs.


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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 7:00 pm
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But there is a warranty with new squire and had the faulty goods been returned they would have been replaced or repaired. if you are a fender/squire dealer surely if you were to notify them they would replace faulty goods on return therefore you shouldn't have a problem. if your not why didn't you try the goods before buying and then go back and get another one? that's a bit like eating food you don't like and going back for seconds. it doesn't add up to me.

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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 7:08 pm
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The problem is: On many occasions I too received new Squiers that were "shoddy", in my experiences, very defective.


And many more got Squier guitars that weren't defective. I've seen defective USA's, that doesn't mean the whole range is trash. You'd have to be all kinds of ignorant to say that.

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We are not speculating, not angry,


No, you're trolling and basically talking nonsense. Please, go enjoy your HW1 with added MIM parts at USA prices :lol:

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just helping other people avoid the Squier pitfall.


Respected guitar players don't agree with you.

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This is the pragmatic observation of the facts as they unfolded before us.


Time to rethink your understanding of what a fact is.

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We are not snobs.


No you couldn't be, you play a HWY1. No, you are a troll :lol:


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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 7:28 pm
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Here's one of those modded but apparently still unplayable Squiers :lol: . He's been using this one since 1988.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLwolOZuH-4


Oh $@!&, here's another :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dEz2aBAx6I


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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 9:01 pm
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Damn I have an unmodded Squier from 1989 that is completely gig-worthy. It's funny that the only serious modifications I have done to any of my Squiers was purely cosmetic.

From this
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To this
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And my unmodded one
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And this is coming from someone that ones one of these, which is highly modified
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And one of these
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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 9:54 pm
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Some of youz guyz are missing the point here. A lot of us did not have a good experience with Squier guitars. And yes, we know that *some* early Squiers were made quite well, and their prices reflect that. And yes, we know that there's one or two Squier guitars out of one or two hundred Squiers that are actually worth playing but are still not fully satisfying.

The question is: Squier or 'real' Fender. It's been my experience that 100% of the Squiers that I've come into contact with are defective or un-playable in one way or another and a used Highway One strat is a far superior value than all Squiers. I have yet to find a Squier that has full-on mojo, period. I got a Highway One that's mojo all day and night long.

No need to call us trolls or to make wild accusations about this that and the other thing... Doing so detracts from the factual arguments of Fender's superior quality wood, superior quality paint, superior electronics, superior fit n' finish as compared to a Squier.

All guitarists I know who gig with Squiers do so because they cherish their American strats and don't want them stolen! If Squiers were all that, I'd sell off my Highway One and invested that money in more Squiers but I can't, the Squiers just don't cut it, even after heavy modifications.

The only thing I haven't tried, however, is putting a Fender neck on a Squier body to see wut flies...but then I keep remembering, the amount of money I'd spend to do that would get me a used Highway One stock, complete, playable, done.


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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 12:24 am
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No we're not missing the point you don't like squier we get it but telling squire owners and players that their instrument is no good is not gonna make you any fans on a squire forum.

Maybe popping along the fender forum and posing the same question might help you. or even trying a high end squire nowadays you will be pleasantly surprised and if your friends gig their squiers instead of their senders then surely the squiers are perfectly giggable guitars so you have just shot your own theory out of the water, and your friends are also playing in the wrong establishments

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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 1:36 am
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I don't disagree that Fenders are, on average, probably better quality instruments pound for pound, but many of the negative remarks made above about Squiers are simply crude generalisations.

Sorry if it offends you to be so-called, but to seriously suggest that only 1 or two Squiers in 100 are worth playing (and that even those 1 or 2 are not 'wholly satisfying') simply has 'guitar snob' written all over it - have you actually played 100 Squiers ??

If I had invested big quids in a 'real' Fender, hearing that there were good Squiers around would probably make me nervous and defensive too, but that's no reason to go knocking a product with which many who post here are more than happy.

Are most Squiers better than Fenders - probably not.

Are many Squiers perfectly playable instruments, and are some Squiers exceptionally good - absolutely.


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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 5:29 am
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A lot of us did not have a good experience with Squier guitars


Many many more had a good experience. Some of them are professional guitarists who have chosen to play a Squier model over others.

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And yes, we know that there's one or two Squier guitars out of one or two hundred Squiers that are actually worth playing but are still not fully satisfying.


Incorrect on both counts.

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a used Highway One strat is a far superior value than all Squiers.


Not really. An ugraded MIM for a lot more money is the reality of the situation. I even hear the HWY1 is to be discontinued.


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No need to call us trolls or to make wild accusations about this that and the other thing... Doing so detracts from the factual arguments of Fender's superior quality wood, superior quality paint, superior electronics, superior fit n' finish as compared to a Squier.


I've seen Fenders with fit & finish problems ans I've seen Squiers without. I've been playing guitars for over 25 years, I really don't need advice on what makes a "player". What I have learned though is that the name on the headstock doesn't automatically denote a "player".

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All guitarists I know who gig with Squiers do so because they cherish their American strats and don't want them stolen! If Squiers were all that


Then their Squier must play good then. I know players who play them because they like playing them.

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I'd sell off my Highway One and invested that money in more Squiers but I can't, the Squiers just don't cut it, even after heavy modifications.



Some do, evidence has been show to back this up.

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The only thing I haven't tried, however, is putting a Fender neck on a Squier body to see wut flies..


The Deluxe has a great neck, the CV too. They don't need replacing.

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I got a Highway One that's mojo all day and night long.


The HWY1 is a workhorse guitar, an enrty level Fender. Mojo, I don't think so. You enjoy yours though so that's good.


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