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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:37 am
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As far as playability I love the Blacktop series. Some people are ok with the humbuckers but I find them too muddy for my types of music I play. I will be modding mine to a HSH in a few months.

I alway recommend playing before buying if you can. See if the Blacktop is good for you or if the Standard suits you best. Hope this helped you out a bit.

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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2011 8:29 pm
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Just got back from a music store, had the jack in my Gibson changed and a new set up done. He is a Fender authorized repair shop. Looked at his used gear. He has a 1997 American Strat with SKB case, lace pickups, in great shape. He's asking $799.00 for it. He has 2 Highway 1's also, and 2 MIM. The MIM are $199.00 and $299.00, and the Hwy 1s are $550.00 and $625.00. The difference is one has a gig bag, and the other has a Fender case. So I asked him about the price difference between the HWY 1 and the American.

He said "A lot of people think that a HWY 1 is just a Fender with a cheaper finish on it, but that is not always the case." In realty the American has a different bridge, a HWY 1 has 22 jumbo frets and an American has 22 medium jumbo frets a synchronized 2 piece tremelo. Different headstock. Different pickups and better tuners on the American. Americans come standard with a hard case, SKB with Fender embossed into it, a cable and a strap and HWY 1 comes with a $30.00 gig bag."


All I know is that I have owned an American strat, and 3 Mexican strats, and my CV is as good as any of the Mexicans were, and the finish and fit is far better.

So if you're happy with your Hwy 1, then good for you. But remember, it is not a Fender AMERICAN Stratocaster, it is a cheaper version of the classic.


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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 10:36 am
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rkreisher wrote:
As far as playability I love the Blacktop series. Some people are ok with the humbuckers but I find them too muddy for my types of music I play. I will be modding mine to a HSH in a few months.

I alway recommend playing before buying if you can. See if the Blacktop is good for you or if the Standard suits you best. Hope this helped you out a bit.




Thanks. You got that I meant Blacktop then and not the Blackstar amp :lol:


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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 11:43 am
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So if you're happy with your Hwy 1, then good for you. But remember, it is not a Fender AMERICAN Stratocaster, it is a cheaper version of the classic.


It is an Amerian Stratocaster, just not an American Standard or American Deluxe. It is made with an American made body and neck. It is put together in the plant in Corona, California. The stock pots in my Highway 1 are the exact pots in my American Standard. My stock pickups have similar markings as my stock pickups on my American Standard. Are they made in Ametica, i do not know.

I will concede that the tremolo is the same type as the MIM Standards, but the block is way bigger. It is bigger than my American Standard as a matter of fact. And if you were to run my serial number on my Highway 1 through Guitar Project it will also say it is made in America.

The reason it is cheaper is the fact it did not come with a HSC, but it has one now. My point is not to pee in any ones Cherios, but merely to educate. So a cheaper American made Statocaster, yes...not an American Stratocaster, no.

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Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:36 pm
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Hey, look on the Fender Product page, and look at the tab for Stratocaster. Notice they list either Fender, or Squier.

I'm happy with what I got, they play well, they are set up well, and for jamming with friends, or just playing around they are good enough. Will I get another American Standard? Maybe, if I can ever find the color I like. They turn up used all the time.

I do photo work and I use a Nikon D2H or D3. Those cameras cost over $3,500.00 But I would not put someone down and say that they did not have a real Nikon, because it is made in Taiwan.


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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 11:09 am
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I think it doesn't really matter where the guitar is made, it's the quality of the parts that matters. HWY1's are a fine entry level stratocaster. They bridge the gap between the MIM & the Standard, unfortunately the pricing on the HWY 1 is unrealistic in my country (UK). I can get a MIM which now have an upgraded larger trem block as standard, upgrade the pickups & wiring and have a guitar that equals or surpasses the HWY 1 for less money. Who puts the parts together only has meaning when Fender decide prices.


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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 4:42 pm
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tvr1979 wrote:
My opinion, and point to this story, is that unless your good enough to be signing autographs, a Squier is probably as good a guitar as you are a player

This sentence is made of awesome.

By the way... I just registered, and the first thing I wanted to do is tell you how much you've helped me. I have tiny hands and am looking for my first guitar and bass (I really like both). I wanted a good 3/4 or shortscale, and Squier has very nice minis at a very reasonable price. You clarified my ideas a lot.

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The only thing I don't like is the narrow nut the Affinity has (my fat fingers fault, not the guitars).

Then they might be just right for me. Thank you for the info.

Thanks to everyone who posted in this thread. I am hunting for a beginner's guitar and this info has been very useful.

What I realize from everything you all have written here (squier lovers and detractors both) is that... I must find someone who can actually play guitar to come with me to the guitar shop and try the stuff for me, right? No online buying ever, I guess.

I would try the guitar myself at the shop if I could, but at my non-existant level I can only check out if it's comfortable to hold. I suppose that's important, too.

The problem I see here is that you need to know about guitars to buy one right. Even if I tried all the guitars in the shop I wouldn't distinguish a fender from a yamaha.

If I want to get a bass, do I need two amps, or will the same thing work for a guitar and a bass?


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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 7:02 pm
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An American also has a solid body. Whereas a Hwy 1 does not have a solid body. Believe me, when I bought my American, there was also a HWY 1 for sale, the price difference was about $125.00. You can get an American for not too much more than a HWY 1. Just like those $800.00 Gibson Les Paul's may be American made guitars, but there is no way that they are as the same guitar as a $1,300.00 Studio is. They may both be Gibson or Fender guitars, but there is a difference.


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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 4:40 pm
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...we're selling the Squiers, too much work to make them playable, still not as good as the American Fenders after all of the work (have a Squier tricked out, still not worth it to me).

Keepin' the Hwy 1 strat (song factory out of the box). If I come across something major Fender cheap, I'm jumpin' on it!

...keepin' the Brawleys (amazing guitars)

...who wants a Squier CV 50 w/ custom and original electronics plus a GFS bridge, and two Squier Strats (one red with a beautifully worn maple neck, the other a barely played black/rosewood beauty)? lol.

Is there a used guitar section on this forum? If there is, I'll post up some pics of the Squiers. Really fine examples -- Squier lover Squiers!

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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 6:30 am
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...we're selling the Squiers, too much work to make them playable,


Absolute nonsense as evidenced by reputable players having used them.

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still not as good as the American Fenders after all of the work


You're still comparing a budget range to a high end guitar. PFD if you ask me.

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(have a Squier tricked out, still not worth it to me).


By your own admission you've tried a few clunkers that had issues which do not represent the higher end models overall.

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Keepin' the Hwy 1 strat (song factory out of the box).


Cool, they are a nice entry level Fender, no more no less. Unspectacular.

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...who wants a Squier CV 50 w/ custom and original electronics plus a GFS bridge, and two Squier Strats (one red with a beautifully worn maple neck, the other a barely played black/rosewood beauty)? lol.


Nobody does as you've already stated they have serious problems and are a poor representation of those models.

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Is there a used guitar section on this forum? If there is, I'll post up some pics of the Squiers. Really fine examples


No you already said they were faulty on arrival. Why you kept them is beyond me. Should have played before you bought, rule 1 of purchasing a guitar as far as I'm concerned. What's most shocking is just how stuck on this "corksniffer" routine you are when you don't even play a high end model yourself. If you were truly happy about your budget HWY1 purchase you'd spend less time trying to convince people. I can only wonder if it's some kind of payback for the comments you get about your own budget guitar. Pretty sad imo.


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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 6:57 am
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RCB-CA-USA wrote:
...we're selling the Squiers, too much work to make them playable, still not as good as the American Fenders after all of the work (have a Squier tricked out, still not worth it to me).

Keepin' the Hwy 1 strat (song factory out of the box). If I come across something major Fender cheap, I'm jumpin' on it!

...keepin' the Brawleys (amazing guitars)

...who wants a Squier CV 50 w/ custom and original electronics plus a GFS bridge, and two Squier Strats (one red with a beautifully worn maple neck, the other a barely played black/rosewood beauty)? lol.

Is there a used guitar section on this forum? If there is, I'll post up some pics of the Squiers. Really fine examples -- Squier lover Squiers!

8)



If the squiers you have are not playable enough straight from the box (you seem to indicate all of them not some) then maybe you should get them sent back to the supplier you got them from the idea is they have a factory setup which means they are playable stright from the box, this said i reckon you are talking about how you would set them up this is a completely different thing, and to be honest i wouldnt buy any guitar from you knowing your attitude.

When i got my squier cv 50's i was looking for a fender, but my local dealer pointed me in the direction of squier as he rated them right along if not better than at least a mim standard, i tried a cv 50s, 60s, and a vm they all played very well i asked about a highway he pointed at the squiers shrugged his shoulders and said "why?"

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Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 7:00 am
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muffdiver have you decided which cv to go for yet?

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Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 11:11 am
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alfunkz wrote:
muffdiver have you decided which cv to go for yet?


Not yet. I've been playing a lot of guitars and I'm looking to buy in about a week or 2. Strangely everywhere near me has stopped selling any Squier models, everywhere has gone Gibson crazy near me. I just sold a Gibson so it's pretty frustrating. I've been trying out a few other strats. I tried the Blacktop Fender which was very nice with the coil tap giving humbucker & single coil tones. I tried Mexican strat standards which are a bit uninspiring, a lonestar that was nice but overpriced. I found one of the last FSR models within my price range that I'm seriously considering. I'm starting to think HSS might be more my style than SSS configuration. The reality is that out of all the guitars I'm trying, the neck on my Squier HR Deluxe feels better. I love the satin finish + how fat it is.


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Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 12:39 pm
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Muff Diver wrote:
No you already said they were faulty on arrival. Why you kept them is beyond me. Should have played before you bought, rule 1 of purchasing a guitar as far as I'm concerned.

Everyone says this. I wonder, what should a beginner look for when buying a guitar? I cannot tell much about the quality of sound, only whether I'm comfortable holding it or whether the action and frets feel comfortable to handle. Is there something I should look for when trying a new guitar? I know 200-300 doesn't sound as much money, but I still want to be sure I don't get scammed on this. I cannot spend 200 to 300 regularly...


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Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 1:00 pm
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IsabelM wrote:
Muff Diver wrote:
No you already said they were faulty on arrival. Why you kept them is beyond me. Should have played before you bought, rule 1 of purchasing a guitar as far as I'm concerned.

Everyone says this. I wonder, what should a beginner look for when buying a guitar? I cannot tell much about the quality of sound, only whether I'm comfortable holding it or whether the action and frets feel comfortable to handle. Is there something I should look for when trying a new guitar? I know 200-300 doesn't sound as much money, but I still want to be sure I don't get scammed on this. I cannot spend 200 to 300 regularly...


isabele 2-300 is a pretty good amount to buy your first guitar, go to your local shop with someone who plays, tell the shop your budget , and that you are looking for a complete setup (guitar, amp, strap, picks, lead, spare strings). they should show you all they have to offer in your price range, pick them up try them sat down and with a strap standing up. some will feel better than others pick the ones you like the feel of before thinking of colours.

ask your friend to play them and check to see if the setup is ok, dont be afraid to ask if the shop will set the guitar up for you if they want to sell the guitar they will be happy to do this, some may charge a fee

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