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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 5:27 am
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i've tried old squiers (2005 cyclone and a squier 51)... they're amazing guitars the quality has always been there the pickups could have used improvement but still... squier is one of those few sub brands that stay true to their design and only lower the quality of their material to a certain point... nothing radical they're just not american... epiphone for example i've tried loads of them... none actually feel like a gibson and i'm not talking bout the headstock (the new PRO line is apparently a lot more faithful to those designs from what i've heard) fender does that to squier... one strat feels like another strat but still keeps it's character... if people consider epiphone a gibson, squier has to be considered a fender

i'm concerned cause it looks like you're facing a real problem here... have you always bought guitars around your area???... it could be the retailer in your area... he could be keeping them in a non suitable space

i honestly don't blame alfunkz try to understand people here tend to put down squier all the time they are fenders in the end... just not made in the US... but they're complete trolls that attack them for no reason you're actually standing your ground which personally to me seems like you really are going through an issue

and yes the vm line is cutting corners... but the vintage modified line is selling like hot cakes now... the truth is that the classic vibe line kinda killed the vintage modified line cause the classic vibe line was supposed to be just as good as the vm line but for people with diferent tastes... the vm line was for more modern players only people never really got that and thought that the classic vibe line was better (cause it appeared a year later)... so the classic vibe line was the best-seller until squier started to come out with the new line of vintage modified guitars... which are praised now but were a lot better before the new ones came out... it's sad really no one ever appreciated the older line...


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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 6:44 am
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I read back a bit to find you purchsased 3 guitars on craigslist, it isn't that popular over here, but from what i gather. Someone advertises an item for sale in your area, you contact them and notify them of your interest and arrange to meet with them and view the item. So how did you still end up with guitars of poor quality, why did you buy them?

Do you really believe that just a few people got good guitars? I urge you to look at other forums maybe present the findings of your research to them, and see how many others have had the same experience as me compared to yours.

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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 1:01 pm
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RCB-CA-USA wrote:
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Ok i know i said i'm done, but i want to know what is a "real Fender" i don't see any reasoning behind the term

Read the original post!

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I dont see the point for budding guitarists of a certain level in buying a Squier guitar, surely you would wait untill you can afford a 'real' Fender instead of a cheap shoddy made alternative. :roll:

I concur with SuperTeleMan -- a real Fender is not a cheaply made, shoddy alternative.

Further, if the guitar doesn't come out of the box ready for the studio, stage, and road, it's not a real Fender!

Any guitar needs a set up or at least needs to be adjusted to the owners liking when coming out of the box. That's a fact.


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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 1:12 pm
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DaveJr wrote:
RCB-CA-USA wrote:
alfunkz wrote:
Ok i know i said i'm done, but i want to know what is a "real Fender" i don't see any reasoning behind the term

Read the original post!

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I dont see the point for budding guitarists of a certain level in buying a Squier guitar, surely you would wait untill you can afford a 'real' Fender instead of a cheap shoddy made alternative. :roll:

I concur with SuperTeleMan -- a real Fender is not a cheaply made, shoddy alternative.

Further, if the guitar doesn't come out of the box ready for the studio, stage, and road, it's not a real Fender!

Any guitar needs a set up or at least needs to be adjusted to the owners liking when coming out of the box. That's a fact.


This is not true.

I just purchased a Gibson SG Worn Brown and it came out of the box set-up to spec, zero issues and ready to play.

When I purchased my Hwy 1, it came out of the box set-up to spec, zero issues and ready to play.

Did I make adjustments to the guitars to suit my needs? Yes! But still, that's not the point. The point is...the real Fender arrived playable and the not-real Fenders did not arrive playable. So, my recommendation is to get a used USA strat instead of a not-real Fender.

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Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 1:35 pm
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RCB-CA-USA wrote:
This is not true.

I just purchased a Gibson SG Worn Brown and it came out of the box set-up to spec, zero issues and ready to play.

When I purchased my Hwy 1, it came out of the box set-up to spec, zero issues and ready to play.

Did I make adjustments to the guitars to suit my needs? Yes! But still, that's not the point. The point is...the real Fender arrived playable and the not-real Fenders did not arrive playable. So, my recommendation is to get a used USA strat instead of a not-real Fender.

My Squier VM Jaguar arrived ready to play out of the box. Zero issues.

I found this a few pages back...
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Meanwhile, I'm luvvin' the poop out of my Hwy 1 strat now that it has a Callaham bridge in it, amazing difference, it plays like a true vintage or Customshop now -- hard, stable, and crystal clear with gobs of texture, sustain, and soulful tone. ...everytime I pickup a Squier strat now...it's a no-go from the gate, no comparison!


So the "real Fender" bridge wasn't good enough? Not perfection?


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Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 1:48 pm
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Actually the point is a "not real fender" as you call them have squier by fender written on the headstock this by definition makes them real fenders. If you had to adjust these guitars to your requirements that's called a setup whichever way you look at it.

Now i hate to repeat myself but its obvious you had some bad luck but that is exactly what it is just bad luck you need to suck it up princess and accept it for what it is. I have just purchased a brand new squier jaguar i made the guys in the shop go get one from out back and open the box in front of me and i can tell you it came setup to standard spec and not far out of tune from the box. Moral of the story? Try before you buy

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Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 1:58 pm
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alfunkz wrote:
Actually the point is a "not real fender" as you call them have squier by fender written on the headstock this by definition makes them real fenders. If you had to adjust these guitars to your requirements that's called a setup whichever way you look at it.

Now i hate to repeat myself but its obvious you had some bad luck but that is exactly what it is just bad luck you need to suck it up princess and accept it for what it is. I have just purchased a brand new squier jaguar i made the guys in the shop go get one from out back and open the box in front of me and i can tell you it came setup to standard spec and not far out of tune from the box. Moral of the story? Try before you buy

Bingo.


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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 2:35 pm
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DaveJr wrote:
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Meanwhile, I'm luvvin' the poop out of my Hwy 1 strat now that it has a Callaham bridge in it, amazing difference, it plays like a true vintage or Customshop now -- hard, stable, and crystal clear with gobs of texture, sustain, and soulful tone. ...everytime I pickup a Squier strat now...it's a no-go from the gate, no comparison!


So the "real Fender" bridge wasn't good enough? Not perfection?


...well, it was perfect and good enough until I broke it. It's a fragile, but functional design if you never turn the wiggle stick in too far without the spring in, user error. However, the aftermarket Callaham is a better bridge. I'm curious to hear how the Callaham sounds in a Squier CV 50 sitting in the closet. If the Hwy 1 neck and pickguard and Callaham drop into a CV 50 body, I'm ah gonna try that out!

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Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 2:37 pm
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alfunkz wrote:
Moral of the story?


Fender should upgrade the quality of the parts on the Squier line, and Fender shouldn't allow Squiers out of the factory until they are setup and ready to play out of the box!

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Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 2:50 pm
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RCB-CA-USA wrote:
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Moral of the story?


Fender should upgrade the quality of the parts on the Squier line, and Fender shouldn't allow Squiers out of the factory until they are setup and ready to play out of the box!

Send them an email they are bound to listen to you seeing as you are such a knowledgeable person on the squier brand :D

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Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 2:58 pm
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RCB-CA-USA wrote:
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Meanwhile, I'm luvvin' the poop out of my Hwy 1 strat now that it has a Callaham bridge in it, amazing difference, it plays like a true vintage or Customshop now -- hard, stable, and crystal clear with gobs of texture, sustain, and soulful tone. ...everytime I pickup a Squier strat now...it's a no-go from the gate, no comparison!


So the "real Fender" bridge wasn't good enough? Not perfection?


...well, it was perfect and good enough until I broke it. It's a fragile, but functional design if you never turn the wiggle stick in too far without the spring in, user error. However, the aftermarket Callaham is a better bridge. I'm curious to hear how the Callaham sounds in a Squier CV 50 sitting in the closet. If the Hwy 1 neck and pickguard and Callaham drop into a CV 50 body, I'm ah gonna try that out!
i read somewhere you changed the tunes too did you also break them? I can't think of any other reason to mess with perfection. And the answer to your questions is........ Probably not all of the changes will probably require some filling and drilling, the CV has a full size body depth

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Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 3:06 pm
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alfunkz wrote:
i read somewhere you changed the tunes too did you also break them?


huh?

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I can't think of any other reason to mess with perfection. And the answer to your questions is........ Probably not all of the changes will probably require some filling and drilling, the CV has a full size body depth


If it ain't broke, don't fix it. ...it broke. I fixed it.

If the pickguard requires filling and drilling, no problem. If the neck and bridge drop-in, I'm ah gonna give it a whirl.

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Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 3:14 pm
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Didn't you put locking tuners on it too? You shouldn't have to do that if the guitar was perfect

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Didn't you put locking tuners on it too? You shouldn't have to do that if the guitar was perfect

The stock tuners worked fine. What motivated me to install the locking tuners was the difference in time it takes dial the guitar in, it's a lot faster with locking tuners. And, the locking tuners work and sound better due to more mass. So, those were perfect non-locking tuners and the locking tuners are perfect locking tuners.

...now the guitar is double perfect, but...a little bit too heavy for me. So, I've got to either get the Hwy 1 body weight relieved or see if something like a light CV 50 strat body sitting here will work with the Hwy 1 neck and hardware and Callaham, or if I can find one, a lighter Hwy 1 body will work best for me.

What I'm also contemplating is getting a new stock block and bar, re-installing the original bridge and tuners, and trading the Hwy 1 in or selling it off, using the locking tuners and bridge on a lighter strat the Callaham and tuners will fit into.

We'll see.

I had an Ibanez a while back that had laszer routing on the face of the guitar that was incredibly beautiful. But, the neck wood was too young and could not hold the locking nut and tuners and the pickups, though interesting, ...too nasal. If I can find somebody to do that sort of etching with the face of the Hwy 1 body...that would work double-best, weight relief and an amazing looking Hwy 1!

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Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 4:33 pm
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RCB-CA-USA wrote:
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Didn't you put locking tuners on it too? You shouldn't have to do that if the guitar was perfect

The stock tuners worked fine. What motivated me to install the locking tuners was the difference in time it takes dial the guitar in, it's a lot faster with locking tuners. And, the locking tuners work and sound better due to more mass. So, those were perfect non-locking tuners and the locking tuners are perfect locking tuners.

...now the guitar is double perfect, but...a little bit too heavy for me. So, I've got to either get the Hwy 1 body weight relieved or see if something like a light CV 50 strat body sitting here will work with the Hwy 1 neck and hardware and Callaham, or if I can find one, a lighter Hwy 1 body will work best for me.

What I'm also contemplating is getting a new stock block and bar, re-installing the original bridge and tuners, and trading the Hwy 1 in or selling it off, using the locking tuners and bridge on a lighter strat the Callaham and tuners will fit into.

We'll see.

I had an Ibanez a while back that had laszer routing on the face of the guitar that was incredibly beautiful. But, the neck wood was too young and could not hold the locking nut and tuners and the pickups, though interesting, ...too nasal. If I can find somebody to do that sort of etching with the face of the Hwy 1 body...that would work double-best, weight relief and an amazing looking Hwy 1!

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Ok so let me get this straight, you changed the tuners because they are faster to change strings, they sound better, and they work better. Correct? That to me is a submission that you feel the original tuners weren't to your liking, thus meaning the guitar wasnt perfect. If they were you wouldn't have felt the need to change them (not that you will admit it), and now you are talking about taking out some weight because you are still not happy with your perfect guitar.

Your story to justify your arguement is only justifying to me that you will never be happy with either a squier "by Fender" :), or a fender, because even your fender you want to look like an ibanez.

Oh If you do find someone that will do that to your fender pass me his address so i can personally go round and shove his tools up his $@! :D

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