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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:52 pm
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rkreisher wrote:
Wow there is a lot of hate for the Squier CV here lately. I only owned 3 Squiers in my 25 years playing. I have never had any issues with any of them. When I had my CV it was my #2 guitar. I traded in for a Blacktop and later wished I hadn't. I really liked the tone better on the CV 60.

I do have to admit that my Highway 1 has been my number 1 for several years. I love that guitar very much, but it had a lot of modifications done to it.



Exactly. It's not a bad guitar stock, but you can spend money on it after purchase.


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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:08 pm
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...Muff Diver, I had a Big Muff when I was a kid! Had a Gibson SG and Fender Princeton Reverb at the time, 1974! ...wish I would ah kept all that.[/quote]


This is a total aside comment here....I remember the smaller fender amps in the early 80s being totally shunned...a buddy of mine had a Princeton and a Fender Jaguar. Looking back on it I remember jamming on it at his house with some friends and getting some nice tones but kind of dogging on it because it didn't sound like Led Zeppelin or whatever butt rock was happening at the time. You couldn't give those things away back then! My how times (and my ears) have changed!


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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 5:18 pm
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rkreisher wrote:
Wow there is a lot of hate for the Squier CV here lately. I only owned 3 Squiers in my 25 years playing. I have never had any issues with any of them. When I had my CV it was my #2 guitar. I traded in for a Blacktop and later wished I hadn't. I really liked the tone better on the CV 60.

I do have to admit that my Highway 1 has been my number 1 for several years. I love that guitar very much, but it had a lot of modifications done to it.


For me, it's not matter of "hate", it's bad experiences with Squiers. All Squiers I've laid my hands on needed lots of work to be playable. All new Squiers I purchased had defects out of the box and some were DOA.

...the Hwy 1, yeah, #1 -- best kept secret on the guitar market! I'm shocked you can get those used for 4, 5 hundred. If I were rich, I'd buy up a few dozen or so!

Wanna know what #2 is around here??? BRAWLEY guitars, what Fender Squier could have been -- a killer, killer guitar for a low low price! Ever play a Brawley guitar??? Ever compare a Brawley to a Squier???


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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 9:52 pm
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Oh....for all my pontificating I should really point out that I was quite happy with both the Starcaster and Squiers I owned for quite some time. I had to sell em to move across country. I would have happily bought a Squier had I found one I liked the last two times I went guitar shopping....hell, I wish I HAD found one...I would have saved some serious bucks. I just found myself very happy that I didn't have to spend like 900 to 1000 bucks on something that would finally come to life in my hands. Probably (and this is not a dig at the Guitar Center) it would help to maybe find a smaller music store where not so many guitars are picked over and abused to find a good Squier.


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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 10:29 am
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I've played HWY1's. They're a fine if unspectacular strat. Kinda like playing a MIM when put alongside the better strats.


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Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 10:45 pm
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i am very much looking forward to getting a squier butterscotch cv tele.i can also vouch that mr rothery can blow the roof off at a gig (playing his squier strat :wink: i may be slightly biased though,as he is my favourite guitarist :D now if i could only play anything like as good as him :oops:


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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:06 am
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First of all, I would never order a guitar online. You never know what you are going to get. Then if you don't like it you have to return it and ship it back. Total pain. I order strings and things like that online, but would never consider ordering a guitar.

That being said, I don't make any money playing guitar, I do it to relax, and to spend time with friends. I'm long past the rock star fantasy. Squier is owned by Fender. There are some great Squiers out there, and some dog Fenders too. Same goes with Gibson. A Gibson with a "Faded" finish is not going to be as good as a Custom is.

We all know what would happen if we put a Squier in the hands of Eric Clapton, Mark Knopfler or Robert Cray, and we put a Fender custom shop Strat in the hands of a regular player or beginner.

Like they say, "It's the dancer, not the shoes."


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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2011 9:49 pm
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I've played HWY1's. They're a fine if unspectacular strat. Kinda like playing a MIM when put alongside the better strats.


...not even close. The Hwy 1 has better body and neck wood, the tuners and nut are far better, the frets are superior, the pickups better and more versatile with the grease bucket circuit, the nitro paint is perfect for the strat/alder tone, the bridge is beefier, brighter, clearer,betterer, the build is far superior to the MIM and you can get a used Hwy 1 for about the same price as a new MIM.

...when I play the Hwy 1 extensively and then pickup a Squier or a MIM, the Squiers and MIMs just fall apart and can't stand up to heavy playing, they just melt in my hands whereas the Hwy 1 strat just stays hard and clear and every nuance of sound is always there from heavy to ever so delicate.

And, I got a killer Affinity Strat. Red, maple neck, thoroughly played and thoroughly seasoned, in the prime of its life. The affinity would hold up under extreme playing, the CV would crumble. Yeah, if I rolled the fret board edges and replaced the nut and stripped the paint and repainted it with nitro, the Affinity would be as good as the Hwy 1, but...here again, off the shelf, new or used, ...Hwy 1, hand's down.

The CV 50's strat...kid's toy compared to the Hwy 1. This one would require extensive work...remove frets, refinish neck, re-install and finish frets, ...replace tuners, nut, bridge, electronics, ...then, the question is...how will all of that sound? Here again...off the shelf, the Hwy 1, hand's down, new or used it's a better bargain, you'd send as much or more to refinish the guitar and replace the electronics and still not have the same quality of wood.

...oh, I got the Affinity for 45 bucks and the CV for 200 with upgraded pickups and electronics, w/ the original pickups and bridge.

The MIM I had...the finish sucked and the tone sucked. ...the body was a complete reject, raised seams, crappy paint and paint job. I was shocked when I received it. An embarrassment compared to the Hwy 1!


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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 7:06 am
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RCB-CA-USA wrote:
Muff Diver wrote:
I've played HWY1's. They're a fine if unspectacular strat. Kinda like playing a MIM when put alongside the better strats.


...not even close. The Hwy 1 has better body and neck wood, the tuners and nut are far better, the frets are superior, the pickups better and more versatile with the grease bucket circuit, the nitro paint is perfect for the strat/alder tone, the bridge is beefier, brighter, clearer,betterer, the build is far superior to the MIM and you can get a used Hwy 1 for about the same price as a new MIM.

...when I play the Hwy 1 extensively and then pickup a Squier or a MIM, the Squiers and MIMs just fall apart and can't stand up to heavy playing, they just melt in my hands whereas the Hwy 1 strat just stays hard and clear and every nuance of sound is always there from heavy to ever so delicate.

And, I got a killer Affinity Strat. Red, maple neck, thoroughly played and thoroughly seasoned, in the prime of its life. The affinity would hold up under extreme playing, the CV would crumble. Yeah, if I rolled the fret board edges and replaced the nut and stripped the paint and repainted it with nitro, the Affinity would be as good as the Hwy 1, but...here again, off the shelf, new or used, ...Hwy 1, hand's down.

The CV 50's strat...kid's toy compared to the Hwy 1. This one would require extensive work...remove frets, refinish neck, re-install and finish frets, ...replace tuners, nut, bridge, electronics, ...then, the question is...how will all of that sound? Here again...off the shelf, the Hwy 1, hand's down, new or used it's a better bargain, you'd send as much or more to refinish the guitar and replace the electronics and still not have the same quality of wood.

...oh, I got the Affinity for 45 bucks and the CV for 200 with upgraded pickups and electronics, w/ the original pickups and bridge.

The MIM I had...the finish sucked and the tone sucked. ...the body was a complete reject, raised seams, crappy paint and paint job. I was shocked when I received it. An embarrassment compared to the Hwy 1!



Again you are using examples of poor QC there on both the CV & MIM. It's also worth noting that here in the UK the HWY1 is not similarly priced to the MIM, it's just not a realistic comparison in any way. To me, there just isn't enough going for the Highway to justify that extra money on a guitar that I found nice, but lacking a "wow" factor.

£350 - £650.


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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 7:44 am
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RCB-CA-USA wrote:
Muff Diver wrote:
I've played HWY1's. They're a fine if unspectacular strat. Kinda like playing a MIM when put alongside the better strats.


...not even close. The Hwy 1 has better body and neck wood, the tuners and nut are far better, the frets are superior, the pickups better and more versatile with the grease bucket circuit, the nitro paint is perfect for the strat/alder tone, the bridge is beefier, brighter, clearer,betterer, the build is far superior to the MIM and you can get a used Hwy 1 for about the same price as a new MIM.

...when I play the Hwy 1 extensively and then pickup a Squier or a MIM, the Squiers and MIMs just fall apart and can't stand up to heavy playing, they just melt in my hands whereas the Hwy 1 strat just stays hard and clear and every nuance of sound is always there from heavy to ever so delicate.

And, I got a killer Affinity Strat. Red, maple neck, thoroughly played and thoroughly seasoned, in the prime of its life. The affinity would hold up under extreme playing, the CV would crumble. Yeah, if I rolled the fret board edges and replaced the nut and stripped the paint and repainted it with nitro, the Affinity would be as good as the Hwy 1, but...here again, off the shelf, new or used, ...Hwy 1, hand's down.

The CV 50's strat...kid's toy compared to the Hwy 1. This one would require extensive work...remove frets, refinish neck, re-install and finish frets, ...replace tuners, nut, bridge, electronics, ...then, the question is...how will all of that sound? Here again...off the shelf, the Hwy 1, hand's down, new or used it's a better bargain, you'd send as much or more to refinish the guitar and replace the electronics and still not have the same quality of wood.

...oh, I got the Affinity for 45 bucks and the CV for 200 with upgraded pickups and electronics, w/ the original pickups and bridge.

The MIM I had...the finish sucked and the tone sucked. ...the body was a complete reject, raised seams, crappy paint and paint job. I was shocked when I received it. An embarrassment compared to the Hwy 1!


If you have a cv that requires all that work them why on earth did you pay 200 for it? a cv shouldnt need that kind of work unless it has been played that much that its worn or if it was new you should have taken it back to fender for a replacement these guitars are awesome guitars and i have a friend who has both a mim and american standard and he has now purchased a cv60's after playing my 50's and is contemplating selling at least the mim as he will never use it.

You should not have to do any of that work to make a cv a good guitar ok some fender snobs may change the switches and pots to fender but honestly there is no need, you have clearly purchased a duff guitar and have been had with your cv

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Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 9:07 am
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alfunkz wrote:
RCB-CA-USA wrote:
Muff Diver wrote:
I've played HWY1's. They're a fine if unspectacular strat. Kinda like playing a MIM when put alongside the better strats.


...not even close. The Hwy 1 has better body and neck wood, the tuners and nut are far better, the frets are superior, the pickups better and more versatile with the grease bucket circuit, the nitro paint is perfect for the strat/alder tone, the bridge is beefier, brighter, clearer,betterer, the build is far superior to the MIM and you can get a used Hwy 1 for about the same price as a new MIM.

...when I play the Hwy 1 extensively and then pickup a Squier or a MIM, the Squiers and MIMs just fall apart and can't stand up to heavy playing, they just melt in my hands whereas the Hwy 1 strat just stays hard and clear and every nuance of sound is always there from heavy to ever so delicate.

And, I got a killer Affinity Strat. Red, maple neck, thoroughly played and thoroughly seasoned, in the prime of its life. The affinity would hold up under extreme playing, the CV would crumble. Yeah, if I rolled the fret board edges and replaced the nut and stripped the paint and repainted it with nitro, the Affinity would be as good as the Hwy 1, but...here again, off the shelf, new or used, ...Hwy 1, hand's down.

The CV 50's strat...kid's toy compared to the Hwy 1. This one would require extensive work...remove frets, refinish neck, re-install and finish frets, ...replace tuners, nut, bridge, electronics, ...then, the question is...how will all of that sound? Here again...off the shelf, the Hwy 1, hand's down, new or used it's a better bargain, you'd send as much or more to refinish the guitar and replace the electronics and still not have the same quality of wood.

...oh, I got the Affinity for 45 bucks and the CV for 200 with upgraded pickups and electronics, w/ the original pickups and bridge.

The MIM I had...the finish sucked and the tone sucked. ...the body was a complete reject, raised seams, crappy paint and paint job. I was shocked when I received it. An embarrassment compared to the Hwy 1!


If you have a cv that requires all that work them why on earth did you pay 200 for it? a cv shouldnt need that kind of work unless it has been played that much that its worn or if it was new you should have taken it back to fender for a replacement these guitars are awesome guitars and i have a friend who has both a mim and american standard and he has now purchased a cv60's after playing my 50's and is contemplating selling at least the mim as he will never use it.

You should not have to do any of that work to make a cv a good guitar ok some fender snobs may change the switches and pots to fender but honestly there is no need, you have clearly purchased a duff guitar and have been had with your cv

It was the best used CV 50 I could find and it beat spending $350 on a new one. The CV 50 shouldn't need all that work, but...it does for my tastes. The Hwy 1 is the way to go.


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Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 9:24 am
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thats funny i paid 200 second hand for my cv50's and i havent had to do any work to it apart from set it up for my choice of strings. like i say you been had maybe you should have looked a little harder or paid the extra then you might not agree with your own verdict.

I know you have an opinion but that shouldnt be based on the fact the secondhand guitar you purchased is poor quality it just suggest it wasnt well looked after

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Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 10:23 am
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Notice everything below his model is sub par :lol: Where did I hear that before, oh yeah, every guitar forum. Everyone gotta look down on someone. Comparing faulty and damaged guitars is pretty flawed argument I'm afraid.


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Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 1:14 pm
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I used to own a CV 60 Squier. I found nothing sub-par with it comapred to the MIM Standard, just less expensive. In fact I did found it supererior in many ways to the MIM Standard. Due to a GAS attack, I did use it as a trade for my Blacktop HH (which I no longer have). For a year, the CV 60 was my #2 guitar next to my Highway 1. My Highway 1 has been my number 1 guitar from day 1. I did some modifications to it that makes it my #1 guitar. If you see my sig, you can see I now own an American Standard as well. If I hadn't modified my Highway 1, my American Standard would most likely be my #1 right now.

As for Squier I like their Standard, Vintage Modified, and CV lines. Very good guitars made for the beginner or intermediate that does not want to spend a bunch money for a gig worthy instrument. Just remember the magic is in the hands not the inrtument. A beginner will still sound like crap on a top-end guitar.

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Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 8:26 am
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rkreisher wrote:
I used to own a CV 60 Squier. I found nothing sub-par with it comapred to the MIM Standard, just less expensive. In fact I did found it supererior in many ways to the MIM Standard. Due to a GAS attack, I did use it as a trade for my Blacktop HH (which I no longer have). For a year, the CV 60 was my #2 guitar next to my Highway 1. My Highway 1 has been my number 1 guitar from day 1. I did some modifications to it that makes it my #1 guitar. If you see my sig, you can see I now own an American Standard as well. If I hadn't modified my Highway 1, my American Standard would most likely be my #1 right now.

As for Squier I like their Standard, Vintage Modified, and CV lines. Very good guitars made for the beginner or intermediate that does not want to spend a bunch money for a gig worthy instrument. Just remember the magic is in the hands not the inrtument. A beginner will still sound like crap on a top-end guitar.



What did you think of the Blackstar. I was just trying one out earlier and was very impressed with it's versatility. Humbuckers with coil tapping, nice. I'm tempted to sack off my plans for a standard strat and go for this in a few months.


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