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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 4:12 pm
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Yo.. CALIFORNIA BOY... (explains a lot about your attitudes) .. SABOTAGED Brawley??? Um, no.. their major distributor was the MARS Music chain... Which went Bankrupt, due to expanding FASTER than their cash flow could support, i.e. BAD MANAGEMENT.. and the Brawley line collapsed with it.. losing it's flagship sales outlet. Sorry, no conspiracy.. just bad business decisions... by the way, the designer of the Brawley's sold his design rights and GC sells some of his design stuff, under a different name now.... try to keep your self grounded, in REALITY.. ok??

Second... FACT is, BOTH were made in the Same Asian factory. You list out a "Spec sheet"... WOW!! If simply claiming some BETTER PARTS, make the Brawley so superior... I wonder what happens, when we apply the SAME METHODS,and upgrade parts... to a Squier??
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Let me guess.......... "but THAT ain't da SAME!! LOL!!! :lol:


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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 4:24 pm
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Hey Muff.... Just picked up a pristine Squier Standard HH model this week!!! excellent! Pairing it up with the Standard SSS I got several weeks back.... cover almost all the Strat sounds! Both were Indonesian Cort factory builds. Just missed by a day.. a maple necked HSS and small amp for 150.. was too slow! DARN! anyways...
All i've done to date, with both... is touch up a few fret edges with a riffling file.. lower the actions/new strings.. one neck needed a slight truss tweak, the HH was dead on. Intonation was good, I only needed slight tweaks after adjusting action height.. fret faces were all good to go. Got one, for a trade for a Pedal... the HH was 130.... think i SCORED WELL!! By the way, My father in law.. a player for over 60 years now (yes, I said 60) bought a used HSS Squier... I set up his action... and he sat and played it for hours once he took it home... Played as good he reported, as any "FENDER" product he had there. Has 4, Two strats, two tele's.. not including the G&L Legacy... since it's not a "Fender" as such...
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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 7:02 pm
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...like I said, the Squiers sent to me during 2007-2009 were sabotaged.

...the Brawley's, though the company was sabotaged, the guitars are...magnificent!

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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 7:10 pm
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Like I posted above... Brawley was never "Sabotaged"... but, being from where you are... go on thinking it must have been little green space aliens that destroyed your idolized Guitar company. Californians are like that it seems... believing what they convince themselves is real.... have a nice, imaginary day! :roll: Done .


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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 7:35 pm
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Hankster1958 wrote:
Like I posted above... Brawley was never "Sabotaged"... but, being from where you are... go on thinking it must have been little green space aliens that destroyed your idolized Guitar company. Californians are like that it seems... believing what they convince themselves is real.... have a nice, imaginary day! :roll: Done .


#1. I don't idolize the guitar. This all just a pragmatic observation of facts.

#2. ...I live in California, but I am not from California.

#3. Nobody said nothin' about little green men. ...are you an alie-o'-phobe?

#4. ...IMAGINARY...? IMAGINARY??? ...what time is everybody going to appear today???

...at least now I have a better understanding of the Squier customer mindset. ...if it ain't broke, don't buy it.

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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 8:35 pm
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""...at least now I have a better understanding of the Squier customer mindset. ...if it ain't broke, don't buy it.""

No, try "buy a solid platform, if it needs some tweaks, do them, than have enough $$$ saved, to buy another, for no more than ONE "name" would run".... Seems quite smart to me. Fiscally sound. But you'd have to be smart, to get that.

And, if all of us are wrong, well, why don't you hang out at one of the Brawley forums....What, there aren't any?? Funny, there are SEVERAL Squier ones!! Hmmmm.

By the way, The Giants just got creamed by our Cardinals! We're sending them back home to ya tomorrow night, for a long rest. Tell em, Missouri said HI!!

Now, i am done with ya. Play with the Troll time is over. Nite all!! RedBirds in FIVE!! :P


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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 9:11 pm
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Hankster1958 wrote:
...why don't you hang out at one of the Brawley forums....What, there aren't any?? Funny, there are SEVERAL Squier ones!! Hmmmm.

...hmmmm. There aren't any Brawley forums cuz nobody's got nothing to complain about.

Good point!

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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 10:39 pm
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Brawley Guitars was a range of electric guitars produced under the Brawley name. Keith Brawley had previously been an executive for Fender/Squier from 1989-2001.

The guitar models were named the 'Threat' in press releases, suggesting competitive ambitions, although this did not appear on the guitar headstock. The guitars were produced in South Korea between 2000 and 2002. All featured a contour top, bolt-on neck, self locking winders and a wider 'fat fret' neck. Though available in several configurations, including double humbucker models, typical models featured 2 single coil Alnico pickups and one bridge mounted humbucker with either Wilkinson and Floyd Rose vibrato bars, although a twin humbucker and hard tail model was also made. The fit, finish, and feature of Brawley's fretted instruments represented a very strong value-for-money at the time. Keith Brawley likened his guitars to Lexus cars in press interviews.

Brawley also produced a range of bass guitars in four-string, five-string and six-string versions. The top-of-the-line models featured neck-through body construction and all of them had a 35-inch scale length, as opposed to the standard 34-inch scale developed by Leo Fender on the first electric basses. These were known as the Artemis series and featured humbucking pickups on all models and active electronics on all but the entry-level model.

Mars music stores was a large dealer of Brawley guitars, but the music store chain failed amidst overheated expansion, taking down Brawley guitars with it. Keith Brawley subsequently worked for Guitar Center where, after five years as the vice president of guitar merchandising, he was promoted to the position of vice president of merchandising and creative at the company's direct-response division, Musician's Friend, where he oversaw both the purchasing and creative teams producing the company's catalog and Internet efforts. -Musical Merchandise Review Magazine (MMR)

Keith sold his guitar designs to Guitar Center to be used as the Laguna brand, currently sold as an in-store brand. The Laguna guitars are modeled after Keith's designs, right down to the headstock, although the production of Laguna is in Indonesia, rather than South Korea. Today, Keith Brawley is the vice president of sales for Taylor Guitars.

Some Southern California stores such as Johnny Thompson Music in Monterey Park showed great success with Brawley instruments, including Costa Mesa's "Cobra Music". There are many bands that can be seen using Brawley Guitars including Charles Jirkovsky of San Diego band "All in Favor" and Brian Sun of "Residual FX."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brawley_Guitars

I've included the link so you cant say i made it up, so brawley were produced in south korea, and the laguna's are indonesia built. NOT USA.

Seriously "sister" your truth is a long way from the actual truth, about a day if you get a direct flight :), this took me 2 minutes to look up maybe you should do the same before you state a "FACT" that is wrong, but i suppose you are going to keep on believing what you say is the truth.

Now get over yourself (isn't that what you said to me??), it sclear that you arent a squier fan, and thats fine each to thier own, but we dont want you coming here telling something that we all know are not the facts

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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 11:24 pm
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alfunkz wrote:

...what you say is the truth.


I know. Thank you.

alfunkz wrote:
...it's clear that you aren't a squier fan, and that's fine, to each their own...


Less words -- much better.

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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 3:05 am
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RCB-CA-USA wrote:
alfunkz wrote:

...what you say is the truth.


I know. Thank you.

alfunkz wrote:
...it's clear that you aren't a squier fan, and that's fine, to each their own...


Less words -- much better.

No real arguement for that is there when you've been proven you are wrong?

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Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 3:24 am
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alfunkz wrote:
RCB-CA-USA wrote:
alfunkz wrote:

...what you say is the truth.


I know. Thank you.

alfunkz wrote:
...it's clear that you aren't a squier fan, and that's fine, to each their own...


Less words -- much better.

No real arguement for that is there when you've been proven you are wrong?


You're quoting a mainstream article that doesn't discuss what actually went on at the time. The article gives a mainstream propaganda view of the events to keep the masses happy...it's working I guess.

If you follow the money trail, the money trail leads to the Brawley line being sabotaged via a sophisticated banking scheme, and a major competitor in the guitar sales industry was taken out simultaneously to boot.

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Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 3:46 am
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I was actually talking about production. So do you actually have the evidence of this supposed sabotage?

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Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 4:06 am
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I was actually talking about production. So do you actually have the evidence of this supposed sabotage?

Yes, production. The guitars parts were made in Korea by a special crew of Asia's finest luthiers using select parts, shipped to and then assembled here in the US.

Evidence? Again, follow the money trail. Who benefited from the demise of the Brawley line and putting Mars out of business? -- therein lies the evidence and the culprits.

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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 9:44 am
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RCB-CA-USA wrote:
alfunkz wrote:
I was actually talking about production. So do you actually have the evidence of this supposed sabotage?

Yes, production. The guitars parts were made in Korea by a special crew of Asia's finest luthiers using select parts, shipped to and then assembled here in the US.

Evidence? Again, follow the money trail. Who benefited from the demise of the Brawley line and putting Mars out of business? -- therein lies the evidence and the culprits.


I think you might need to reassess your understanding of what constitutes "evidence" and "sabotage".


Oh and show me 1 nice sounding Brawley.


Looooove yoooooooooooooooooou :lol:


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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 9:52 am
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Muff Diver wrote:

I think you might need to reassess your understanding of what constitutes "evidence".


Oh and show me 1 nice sounding Brawley.


Looooove yoooooooooooooooooou :lol:


...no. I don't need to reassess my understanding of what constitutes evidence. Follow the money trail.

Here's a pic of a nice sounding Brawley:

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Love you too!!! 8)

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