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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 3:37 am
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I used to think this way too, that Squier simply did not measure up to "real" Fender. I have an American Standard Strat, and I recently acquired 2 Squier Tele's through some trading, a standard (black) and a Vintage Modified Custom II (blonde w/P90's). When this guy contacted me about trading (I had another guitar and amp for sale), I told him I was very unsure about owning Squiers, since I already owned an American Fender...what a snob I was! Well, he convinced me to trade and I have definitely been shown the error of my ways! After almost 20 years of playing, it made me rethink the way I look at Squiers. Both Tele's play, look and sound fantastic, I particularly enjoy the modified custom, love the way the P90's sound. I still love my American Strat, and there is a distinct difference between the guitars, but the Squier Tele's have found a special place in my arsenal now. Lovin' them!!


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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 3:50 pm
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alfunkz wrote:
hi open and welcome the world of squier guitars, hope you have fun learning, and good luck

Thank you and as a small update i unintentionally inspired my 11yr old daughter to learn guitar so i passed on the squier to her and scored myself a Fender T-BUCKET-300CE Dreadnought Acoustic-Electric Guitar, Flame Maple Top, 3 Tone Sunburst 'cause i'm falling in love with electric and acoustic so why not combine.? We are now practicing together...got her the chord buddy and myself Rocksmith for PC. Fender is now part of my family...awesome we love music as an art and now thx to Fender we're participating too. Never know.....another daughter is curious too. This becoming more than a hobby ... :)


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haha cool open get the other daughter learning the bass get a little family band going on that would be cool :D

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Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 2:15 am
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Since we're sharing Squire stories:
Back in 99 I walked into my local Musicians Friend with a couple of thousand dollars and the intention to buy my first Fender Strat. I had played just about every generic guitar leading up to that and was now going to buy me a "big boy" guitar. I spent a long time trying different Strats in the style I wanted. It actually came down to a MIM Fender and a MIM Squire that suited me. For less than the price of the Fender I was able to pick up the Squire plus a nice hard case and strap. My buddy tried to talk me out of it saying "I've owned squires and their no big deal." But I put him in his place explaining that the Squire felt good, gave me the tones I wanted and I didn't have to break the bank to get them. Since that time I have owned several squires and currently play an older Korean made Squire II that plays better than my MIM Fender. As best as I can tell, the quality and workmanship is as good as Fender brand. Things like the pick ups and other materials are where they take the short cuts but since the whole idea of a "budget line" is to build customer loyalty they can't afford to build crap.

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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 8:21 am
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Just to give my testimony: I have a Squier Deluxe Hot Rails (Crafted in Indonesia) and i must state that the overall quality (construction, materials used etc) is Excellent. The sound is warm and punchy with those Duncan Designed pups, the wood has nothing to do with those «low-series» Squiers, the neck is so well built, fast, smooth, very nice... I bet that a bunch of blindfolded people could not tell the difference if you put it against a Fender Stratocaster. From the experience i have, and the guitars i've played, it seems that there are only lacks of quality control on the lower series like the Affinity (frets popping out, loose jacks etc..) which are not admissible even counting the price. By the way, i take the opportunity to advise Fender about that. Nothing to complain about the rest.

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Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 9:55 pm
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brianjaguar wrote:
Just to give my testimony: I have a Squier Deluxe Hot Rails (Crafted in Indonesia) and i must state that the overall quality (construction, materials used etc) is Excellent. The sound is warm and punchy with those Duncan Designed pups, the wood has nothing to do with those «low-series» Squiers, the neck is so well built, fast, smooth, very nice... I bet that a bunch of blindfolded people could not tell the difference if you put it against a Fender Stratocaster. From the experience i have, and the guitars i've played, it seems that there are only lacks of quality control on the lower series like the Affinity (frets popping out, loose jacks etc..) which are not admissible even counting the price. By the way, i take the opportunity to advise Fender about that. Nothing to complain about the rest.

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a recent affinity squire was factory fresh. I pulled it from the box and it was in tune. I hated the fat 70s head stock so I sold it off. But, I always remember how well it played and how high the quality was.

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Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 8:04 am
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brianjaguar wrote:
Just to give my testimony: I have a Squier Deluxe Hot Rails (Crafted in Indonesia) and i must state that the overall quality (construction, materials used etc) is Excellent. The sound is warm and punchy with those Duncan Designed pups.

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I had the HR deluxe, very nice guitar. It totally changed my mind about squier guitars.


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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 5:53 am
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squiers are real fenders are real :) what makes them sound great is a real player not the names :lol:


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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 8:04 am
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cp52 wrote:
squiers are real fenders are real :) what makes them sound great is a real player not the names :lol:

Amen to that! I recently traded my MIM strat for a Jackson Kelly. Much nicer neck but still can't beat the feel of my Squire II HM.

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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 1:21 pm
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SuperTeleMan wrote:
I dont see the point for budding guitarists of a certain level in buying a Squier guitar, surely you would wait untill you can afford a 'real' Fender instead of a cheap shoddy made alternative. :roll:

in NEVER FAILS to amuse me when you people say the squier's aren't REAL FENDERS.not only are they a fender product,they carry the SAME warranty as the MIA,MIM.i have a few different guitars but,my 98 affinty strat,gets played the most.being a "PURIST"i dig the sound of single coil pups.this is the SOUND that these strats made in the sixties.but at the end of the day,if the guitar FEELS GOOD,play it like theres no tomorrow.


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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 11:07 am
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Squier Brand Is Ownd By Fender since 1965 So thare Fore Nomatter what make of Sqier a Guitar isd Its Actualy a Fender

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squier <-- Complet and acurit History Of the Squier Brand And i Quoot from the wiki

History
Squier Stratocaster Standard.

Fender, under the ownership of CBS, acquired the Squier brand name in 1965 when it bought a USA based string making firm, but it lay dormant for many years.[1] Before the Fender Squier series was introduced in 1982, Fender was making lower priced guitars such as the Fender Lead series at its Fullerton California plant. Until the introduction of the Fender Squier series, Fender had never produced lower priced guitars based on its main Stratocaster and Telecaster designs and had always used different model designs for its lower priced guitars.

In the late 1970s and early 1980s Fender was facing competition from lower priced Japanese made guitars. The lower priced Fender guitars were made in America and could not compete with the lower prices of Japanese made Fender copies. In the early 1980s, Japanese labour and production costs were much lower than in America and to compete with the Japanese made guitars, Fender moved the lower priced Fender guitar production from America to Japan.

Fender was also losing sales in Japan to Japanese guitar brands such as Tōkai, Greco and Fernandes and the establishment of Fender Japan would benefit Fender sales in Japan as well as overseas. Fender began negotiations with several Japanese musical instrument distributors and reached an agreement with Yamano Gakki and Kanda Shokai to establish Fender Japan. Yamano Gakki is also known for once being part of Epiphone Japan. Kanda Shokai owned the Greco brand name and one of the conditions of the Fender Japan agreement was that Kanda Shokai cease production of its own Greco Fender copies.

This arrangement benefited Fender because it removed the Greco Fender copies from the Japanese market which were selling in Japan at much lower prices than the American made Fenders and it also benefited Kanda Shokai because Kanda Shokai could then distribute Japanese made Fender branded guitars in Japan. Further negotiations between Fender and Japanese guitar factories took place. Tokai was seriously considered to start building the first Japanese made Fenders, but after a breakdown in negotiations, FujiGen Gakki was chosen instead.[2]

The first Squier series was launched on July/August 1982 and over time the Squier series has slowly evolved to include original model designs and production has moved from Japan to various other Asian countries such as Korea and China.
[edit] Initial Squier JV & SQ series

The first Fender Japan models introduced in May 1983 were the 1957 and 1962 series, which were Fender Stratocaster models ST'57-115, ST'57-85, ST'57-65, ST'62-115, ST'62-85, ST'62-65 and the Precision Bass models PB'57-95, PB'57-70, PB'62-98, PB'62-75. These models were Fender models and not Squier models. They had Fender USA pickups installed and were made for the Japanese market only and not for export.[3]

Fender soon added a less expensive export Squier series based on the Fender Japan 1957 and 1962 series in July/August 1982, which had a large Fender logo with a smaller Squier logo and had a zinc rather than a steel tremolo block and had Fender USA pickups installed. The Squier series were also made available for the Japanese market in October 1982, which incorporated small changes compared to the export Squier series. The large Fender logo of the export Squier series was soon changed to a large Squier logo.

The first Fender Japan guitars are known as the JV Fenders and JV Squiers, with JV standing for "Joint Venture" to reflect the agreement between Fender and FujiGen Gakki and were made by the FujiGen Gakki factory in Japan, using technical support from Fender USA. The SQ Squier series was introduced in late 1983 to early 1984. The SQ Squier series was based more on 1970s Fender models and also had Japanese made pickups installed.
[edit] Squier Classic Vibe Series
Squier CV50's Stratocaster in Olympic White w/ Gold Anodized Pickguard. Note Glossed Maple Neck.

In 2008 Squier released its Classic Vibe series. A series of electric guitars and basses mirroring classic Fender designs of the 50's and 60's. Each roughly reflecting the hardware, woods, color variations, finishes, body contours, and tonal characteristics of their respective era; although Squier state that the series was not created to be completely era correct, but rather impart the 'vibe' of a classic Fender design.[4]

The Classic Vibe series of guitars and basses include the following models:

Classic Vibe Stratocaster (50's and 60's)
Classic Vibe Telecaster (50's and 60's)
Classic Vibe Duo Sonic 50's
Classic Vibe Precision Bass (50's and 60's)
Classic Vibe Jazz Bass 60's

Classic Vibe series guitars start with the serial CG followed by the Factory/Plant Letter and the year produced.
[edit] Serial number tracing

As follows is an approximate method in which Squier dates the serial numbers of manufactured instruments.
[edit] Japanese Squiers

For Japanese Squier serial number dating, see Fender's serial number dating service. The Japanese MIJ (Made in Japan) Squiers were made by FujiGen up to 1997 and the Japanese CIJ (Crafted in Japan) Squiers were made by Tokai and Dyna from 1997.
[edit] Mexican Squiers

MN: M = Mexico, N = Nineties (1990s), the first number following the serial number prefix is the year.

MZ: M = Mexico, Z = 2000's, the first number following the serial number prefix is the year.

For example

"MN8" indicates that it was made at Ensenada, Mexico in 1998-1999.
"MZ1" indicates that is was made at Ensenada, Mexico in 2001-2002

[edit] USA Squiers

Some USA made Squiers have a serial number with an E = Eighties (1980s) prefix, and some have a serial number with a N = Nineties (1990s) prefix. Some USA made Squiers also had a 000XXX serial stamp on the neckplate with no letter prefix and no serial number on the headstock.

USA Squiers were made for less than a year spanning 1989 and 1990 before production of Squiers went back to Mexico.
[edit] Korean Squiers

CN/VN: C = Cor-Tek (Cort), V = Saehan(Sunghan), S was already taken by Samick so Saehan(Sunghan) used V instead (Saehan(Sunghan) made the Vester guitars), N = Nineties (1990s), the first number following the serial number prefix is the year.

For example

"CN5" = made by Cor-Tek (Cort) in 1995.
"VN5" = made by Saehan(Sunghan) in 1995.

KC/KV: KC (Korean Cor-Tek (Cort)) and KV (Korean Saehan(Sunghan)), the serial number prefix is followed by a 2 number year.

For example

"KC97" = made by Cor-Tek (Cort) in 1997.
"KV97" = made by Saehan(Sunghan) in 1997.

KC and KV serial number prefixes are usually used on Crafted in Korea Squiers.

S/E: The S and E serial number prefix Korean Squiers are from the late 1980s/early 1990s. S = Samick, E = Young Chang, E letter serial numbers were used on Young Chang's Fenix brand guitars.[5] The first number following the serial number prefix is the year.

The first guitars made ​​in Korea are those with serial number written in silver E1 + 6 digits

For example

"E1 + 6 digits with silver serial = made by Young Chang in 1987-88.
"S9" = made by Samick in 1989.
"E0" = made by Sung-Eum in 1990.
"E1" with black serial = made by Sung-Eum in 1991.

There were also Korean Squier serials with no serial number prefix and 6 or 7 numbers and the first number is the year. Some early 90's examples held a serial number with the prefix M followed by 7 numerals, featured the a high gloss maple neck with a slimmer 40mm body made from plywood.
[edit] Chinese & Taiwanese Squiers

YN: Y = Yako (Taiwan), N = Nineties (1990s), the first number following the serial number prefix is the year.

For example

"YN5" = made by Yako in 1995.

CY: C = China, Y = Yako (Taiwan), the serial number prefix is followed by a 2 number year.

For example

"CY97" = made by Yako in 1997.

CY, COS, or COB serials are usually used on Crafted in China Squiers. Some Chinese made Gretsch guitars also have a CY serial number.

Miscellaneous Chinese serials: CD, CT, CJ, NC: C = China, the first number following the serial number prefix is the year. Probably made by Yako (Taiwan). The plant from which the COB serial number prefix models originate remains a mystery. No documentation, or comment from the manufacturer has resolved the question of which plant produced them.

Some Squiers that are sold only in the Chinese and Asian markets are made by Axl in China, these guitars usually have the serial number starting with CXS; with the 'X' standing for 'Axl'.

Squier Classic Vibe series guitars/basses serial numbers start with CG. e.g. CGSxxxxxxx
[edit] Indonesian Squiers

IC: I = Indonesia, C = Cor-Tek (Cort), the serial number prefix is followed by a 2 number year. IS: I = Indonesia, S = Samick, the serial number prefix is followed by a 2 number year. For example "IC02" Made in 2002. In 2009-10 some Indonesian Squier's had the prefix ICS09XXXXX and ICS10XXXXX. There are a number of standard models that have the ICS prefix some are FSR but some are just normal run models. It therefore appears as though the S in ICS is only an indication as to whether it is a Factory Special Run or FSR guitar (manufactured by Cor-Tek in Indonesia). It also appears likely that any FSR guitar beginning with ICS will be a Squier 'Standard' as opposed to any of the other models i.e. CV, Deluxe etc.
[edit] Indian Squiers

Some Squier IIs were made in India around 1989-1990. The head stock is marked "MADE IN INDIA". Made in India Squier IIs seem to follow the made in USA serial numbering scheme. For example a 1990 made in India Squier II serial number would start with N0 plus 5 digits. The serial number is printed on a sticker located on the back of the neck, close to where the neck attaches to the body. Because the number was placed on a sticker it is fairly common for the serial number to be missing.

Some more recent Squiers, including the Vintage Modified series (serial numbers starting with SH), were introduced in 2007.


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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 12:38 pm
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dude you dont have to convince me, i just hate it when label snobs and trolls try telling us our guitars are dog s@*t, when they havent picked a squier since their first guitar


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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 12:56 pm
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alfunkz wrote:
dude you dont have to convince me, i just hate it when label snobs and trolls try telling us our guitars are dog s@*t, when they havent picked a squier since their first guitar


i not trying to convince you just punting an end to the argument

apart from that it don't matter what make a guitar is it is the person them self if a guitar dint sound good than the person is eather making a mistake or has forgotten the fundamental

so in realty its not the instrument but the person witch = human error

but eather way its Music no matter what type of guitar it is :) so id say jam to your heart content but as the saying gos no matter water a person is a beginner or intermediate or armature or master or pro or expert Practice Makes Perfect

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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 6:20 pm
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WayneC wrote:
alfunkz wrote:
dude you dont have to convince me, i just hate it when label snobs and trolls try telling us our guitars are dog s@*t, when they havent picked a squier since their first guitar


i not trying to convince you just punting an end to the argument

apart from that it don't matter what make a guitar is it is the person them self if a guitar dint sound good than the person is eather making a mistake or has forgotten the fundamental

so in realty its not the instrument but the person witch = human error

but eather way its Music no matter what type of guitar it is :) so id say jam to your heart content but as the saying gos no matter water a person is a beginner or intermediate or armature or master or pro or expert Practice Makes Perfect

If it were only the end of the argument. The lions would lay down with the lambs and all that jazz. :roll: It's really all about money. if you can't afford, or justify a $1000+ guitar but you love the fender brand than you have to buy what you can afford. I am practical. even if I had a million in the bank I would be more interested in quality than the name.

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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 6:33 pm
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There is a thread on http://www.squier-talk.com with a couple of videos of a guy named Stevie Ray Vaughan playing a Squier Strat. If he isn't above playing a Squier none of the rest of us should be either. I think the thread is "A couple of great Squier performances."


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