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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 4:11 am
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You seriously think Fender reads every thread here? The only time any mods on any forum look at threads is usually when someone gets reported, or they get a PM to check something out. Stop making excuses. 8)

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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 5:53 am
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NarooN wrote:
You seriously think Fender reads every thread here? The only time any mods on any forum look at threads is usually when someone gets reported, or they get a PM to check something out. Stop making excuses. 8)

It's up to the person who started the thread to contact Fender, not me. I was asked a question and answered it. Fender can answer too if they want!

Fender routinely responds to random threads. I don't know if they read every thread. If I owned Fender, I'd hire somebody to watch the board and read every new thread, not every post, but the thread (title and first post). Then, if someone complains or needs help, I'd have somebody chime in with the action or info.

So, if somebody wants to bring this thread to Fender's attention so that we can get some definitive info, feel free. Otherwise...the discussion without the definitive information continues.

I'll betcha a buck that if Fender does chime in, they will say "yes, the wood, paint, hardware, electronics, and attention to detail on a HWY 1 strat is far superior to a CV 50 strat", which is the alternative I'm recommending to a Squier w/ upgrades!


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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 6:50 am
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How is comparing the component parts going to prove RCB Brawley's claim that "all squiers are totally unplayable" ?


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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 7:00 am
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It's up to the person who started the thread to contact Fender, not me. I was asked a question and answered it. Fender can answer too if they want!


It's unlikely they would support your claim that squiers are "unplayable".

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I'll betcha a buck that if Fender does chime in, they will say "yes, the wood, paint, hardware, electronics are higher quality.


I think we can safely all agree that Fender would say this. I don't recall anyone denying this though. let's face it there's at least a £300 difference in price. Again you are desperately trying to divert from the argument.

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I truly want a response. It's not my job to nudge Fender into the conversation, not to mention, all threads are monitored by Fender so Fender is well aware of the discussion.


Then a smart man would suggest that Fender feels your opinion that all squiers are unplayable to be incorrect and don't feel the need to comment. Perhaps they feel that by posting reviews and video's which clearly dismiss you have proved more than their words could.

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Next work on your self respect because you look a fool.

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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 8:40 am
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How is comparing the component parts going to prove RCB Brawley's claim that "all squiers are totally unplayable" ?


...did somebody say Brawley???

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RCB Brawley, I'm flattered!

I never said all Squiers are totally unplayable. I said 100% of the Squiers I purchased new were defective in one way or another, all rejects, and I also said that the sound of the Squier wood is inferior compared to the HWY 1 wood, and I also said the used Squiers I got needed A LOT of extensive work to be playable and still...here again, cheap wood.

Please don't misquote me!


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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:34 am
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I am giving Fender a call, right here! I'd like to hear Fender educate us about the distinct differences in wood quality, fret materials, electronics, how much work is and isn't done as compared between CV 50's and Hwy 1's.

so first off you said this............... correct?

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I truly want a response. It's not my job to nudge Fender into the conversation, not to mention, all threads are monitored by Fender so Fender is well aware of the discussion.

I value my soul and good karma. I'd never forge a bogus reply!

And then you said this............ still with me here?

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"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." George Orwell

then you quoted the great George Orwell.

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It's up to the person who started the thread to contact Fender, not me. I was asked a question and answered it. Fender can answer too if they want!

And finally you said this...........

So you didnt call fender did you? tut tut tut you have been caught telling porkies again haven't you RCB.

"The art of using deceit and cunning grow continually weaker and less effective to the user." John Tillotson

We can all do the famous quote thing by finding them on the net to make ourselves look clever, hell i just did it


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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:48 am
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That's a sweet Brawley! Told you it had mo-jo! The feckin' thing is a incredibly dynamic. The coil tap unleashes an incredible tele like tone and the humbuckers, omg...fat, dynamic, clear, excellent string separation. We're scarfing up as many as we can get!

We're looking at another one tomorrow, the next day. We'll see!

And about the rest of your post...blah blah blah blah blah. I responded to the thread. Fender can reply if they want to. I'm firm in my recommendation.

Again, the Fender Hwy 1 used is a superior value compared to the Squier upgrade path.


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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:21 am
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I never said all Squiers are totally unplayable.


Oh ok as long as you didn't say it.


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And setting aside feel, it will would take major surgery on each Squier for it to be playable,



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And, I wouldn't recommend a new Squier purchase due to the amount of defects


Again here you are saying that all squier guitars have the problems you "claim" yours have which made them unplayable.

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and I also said that the sound of the Squier wood is inferior compared to the HWY 1 wood


You would need to post a comparison video of a hwy1 and a squier with hwy1 electronics & parts under the same conditions to make that statement hold water.


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and I also said the used Squiers I got needed A LOT of extensive work to be playable


I just sold a mint condition one from my own collection, it didn't need anything to make it playable. Plenty of others on youtube, used and being played quite nicely. If you buy any guitars without playing and inspecting them first........people will see you as a chump and offload their damaged goods to you.


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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:24 am
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That's a sweet Brawley! Told you it had mo-jo! The feckin' thing is a incredibly dynamic. The coil tap unleashes an incredible tele like tone and the humbuckers, omg...fat, dynamic, clear, excellent string separation. We're scarfing up as many as we can get!

yeah it looks good, yes you did, guess you got lucky? But how can you compare it to a HWY1 or the CV50's strat, it has humbuckers that are going to sound heavier its coil tapped, has a 3 way switch. theres no comparison at all. Having said that, if you are happy then good on you, finally buying online without trying first gave you a lucky break.

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And about the rest of your post...blah blah blah blah blah.

I'll take that as a "yeah ok you got me there", although i never expected you to admit it, but you dont have to and you cant backtrack that either.

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I responded to the thread.

but you didnt put any thought into it did you?

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Fender can reply if they want to. I'm firm in my recommendation.

Fact, research, findings, recommendation call it what you will, you still havent confirmed any of it with hard evidence. I'll get pictures up tomorrow....... still waiting here, I'll call fender righr here........ well you proved it yourself, that was a lie. I have to say you have now convinced me of one thing, that is that you havent been telling the truth all along.

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Again, the Fender Hwy 1 used is a superior value compared to the Squier upgrade path.

Correct it is, in the region of 3-£400 more superior in value in fact, that doesnt make it better value for money, apart from in your personal opinion


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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:25 am
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I do like how the high E on the Brawley is nicely placed over the neck yet the low E is clinging on for grim death :lol: Poor construction there, bad neck alignment probably. I'd be interested to hear it. Any good video's showing the different pickup positions ?



Honestly I don't see this model as a viable CV alternative.


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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:34 am
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Brawley, same pickups & configuration......


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOHU3ueuDrE



Now compare the overall tone with this..... If I was looking for a cheaper strat, that Brawley model wouldn't cut it. This might though....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFaWYSr6d_Y


Even the Brawley models with single coil pickups don't sound good to me. A very nondescript nasal tone, cheap sounding, not particularly strat like at all imo.Here's one with sc's....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9QSsr5gKy0


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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:53 am
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i did notice that the brawleys seem to have something missing in the tone department, they seemed too bassy even for humbuckers, also in the second brawley video did you notice it still had plastic covering the pup's suggesting it was fresh from the box, see how soon he had to retune it? kinda confirms the theory that most guitars need a good setup if they are fresh from the box, personally i would have taken it apart and thrown all the bits in a box if i needed to that to it :lol:


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Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:53 am
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Another identical Brawley just so I can't be accused of looking for bad clips...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9QSsr5gKy0


Again very nasal, even on clean settings.


Here's a CV 50's, a bad quality clip too. Sounds much more strat like to me

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFGENe48Tlw


A review of the CV Tele & strat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOFTWdcovtw


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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:56 am
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Check this guys nice strat tone too.....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zj4FUvoikEM


Ok I'll stop for now, it's like a mauling or shooting fish in a barrel. All these CV vids were the first ones I found. I didn't go searching through hundreds of clips. I think it just speaks for itself.


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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:00 am
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alfunkz wrote:
i did notice that the brawleys seem to have something missing in the tone department, they seemed too bassy even for humbuckers, also in the second brawley video did you notice it still had plastic covering the pup's suggesting it was fresh from the box, see how soon he had to retune it? kinda confirms the theory that most guitars need a good setup if they are fresh from the box, personally i would have taken it apart and thrown all the bits in a box if i needed to that to it :lol:



Yep. The only guitar I ever bought that didn't need touching was my rather expensive Ibanez and I bet that was a fluke. If you were going for that classic Gilmour vibe & tone, imagine trying to pull it from one of those Brawley guitars. No thanks :? Plug your CV into any decent amp and BOOOOM, your pretty close.


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