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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 12:12 pm
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What bugs me the most is Bozo's like this that make an idiotic post then they don't even have the balls to defend their comments. :evil: Mr SuperTeleMan has not even posted since this :?: Good for Us :lol:


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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 7:30 pm
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Guys like that love getting everyone excited but the truth is most of us that have both Fender and Squier guitars know they are fine guitars at a reasonable price. I'm sure he has never played one. The same crap gets thrown around on the Gibson sites with regard to Epiphone and Gibson.


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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 9:22 pm
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I've been playing over 25 years and just bought a Squier deluxe last year. It's a very capable guitar that stands up against some of my expensive ones pretty well. Gear snobs are just dumb. Look at Steve Rothery of the UK band Marillion. Who I hear you ask. Regardless of who knows the guy, he played stadiums & arenas with a Squire and sounded fantastic doing it.


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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 10:30 pm
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I won't knock either the Squire or the Fender Starcaster. I had a Les Paul (my only electric at that point) ripped off and needed a guitar quick...picked up a Starcaster for 79 bucks (after-X-mas clearance sale) and was back in business! The guitar played great, sounded great, etc. I also bought an indo-tele (Squire) around the same time. LOVED IT! The only beef I ever had with them was that both had issues with the jacks. They don't stay fastened very well to the mounting plate and, in the case of the Tele, the mounting plate actually cracked and broke (being made of plastic). But those were minor issues, really. Hell, I took care of both of those myself.

I actually own 2 Mexican Teles now and, with both of them I sat in the store and tried out 8 to 10 guitars before making up my mind. Just go to the store and try a couple of them out. You WILL notice differences between all of them. I tried out a couple of the American Fenders as well, and yes....they play GREAT but, honestly am just as happy owning the Mexicans for a while and again, if you like what the Chinese or Indos are doing when you play them, don't let the issue of their country of origin keep you from getting a good guitar.


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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 8:30 am
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someone hasnt picked up a squier for a while, probably got a mexican strat with ceramic pups, which lets face it is no mre a fender than a squeir anyway, dude try a classic vibe or a vintage modified squier and i bet it outplays any mexican standard. some people are so stuck up its unbelievable


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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 4:48 pm
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Squier Stratocaster


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLwolOZuH-4


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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 6:42 pm
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I own a Fender Highway One Stratocaster. I compared it to many Affinity Strats and Classic Vibe Strats (2 affinities strats and one CV strat sitting right here, all 3 prime Squiers, Squier lover's dreams!). However, hands' down, the Fender Highway One Stratocaster is a far superior build to the Squier strats. Whereas I spent inordinate amounts of time trying to find happiness in the Squier line and found no happiness whatsoever -- just unending frustrations -- the Highway One strat made me happy, immediately. No tuning issues, no soft wood issues, no excessive paint issues, no cheesy pickup issues, no junky hardware issues.

One Classic Vibe strat I got had multiple issues out of the box including; cracked tuning peg holes, an over-sprayed neck (globbed on bad), sharp fret ends, paint pealing on the body, and a defective volume pot -- the guitar was useless out of the box.

...I ordered a second Classic Vibe strat and it had identical issues but the volume pots were good.

I've owned an MIM tele and a CV tele, both were junk, but the MIM had better fit and finish and was more playable than the CV. The first CV tele I got was so heavy, it hurt my back. The second CV tele I got was toneless but lighter.

Currently, I'm debating whether or not to purchase a Tele or a Les Paul -- Squier and MIM are on the NO list, 100%! I'd rather eat crow for a few months than wrangle with a Squier or MIM again -- I learned my lesson, wasted 2-years trying Squiers and MIM, won't do it again!


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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 6:56 pm
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Oh wow, so you're telling me that a $1200 guitar was better build quality than a $250 one ?


Oh man, how can it be ? :lol:


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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 8:24 pm
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Muff Diver wrote:
Oh wow, so you're telling me that a $1200 guitar was better build quality than a $250 one ?


Oh man, how can it be ? :lol:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFaWYSr6d_Y


You can get an American made, used Highway One Stratocaster for around $400.00, $500.00 for a prime specimen! If you shop around, $350, $375.00!

Which guitar? A...CV strat new, $350.00 (junk), or a used Highway One Strat (Heaven) used, $400.00. I'll take the Hwy 1, please!

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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 9:13 pm
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I mentioned earlier the Mexican teles that I own. I like the hell out of em both! One is a regular Tele and the other a Blacktop Telecaster with humbuckers. I play in open G and open C and I got the Blacktop mostly for the sake of not having to retune between songs during a set. What is interesting was the fact that I had to play SEVERAL in the store before I found the one I liked in both instances. This is true of Squires and the Mexican Fenders. The American made ones sound really good no matter what guitar you choose. I have to assume it is more due to quality control than anything else. The first Telecaster I bought was from the Guitar Center and it was after a big weekend sale. The first 5 I tried to play ALL had one issue or another...loose jack, defective toggle switch, poor output in one pickup or the other. I tried the Squiers...same thing. The American ones I picked up sounded sweet from the get go. For a minute there I thought I would have to shell out 800 bucks for a guitar (about 300 more than I wanted to spend that day....don't think I even had that much in my checking account). FINALLY I found one. This may have been more due to those poor guitars getting seriously abused over the GC's blowout sale weekend. All I can say is really take some time out to find that right one. Spend an hour or so playing around and looking. Go on a weeknight. They are usually slow and the staff is MUCH more helpful and friendly. 500 bucks is a lot of money to shell out on anything and there is no point on bringing home a dog with fleas.


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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 7:07 am
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RCB-CA-USA wrote:
Muff Diver wrote:
Oh wow, so you're telling me that a $1200 guitar was better build quality than a $250 one ?


Oh man, how can it be ? :lol:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFaWYSr6d_Y


You can get an American made, used Highway One Stratocaster for around $400.00, $500.00 for a prime specimen! If you shop around, $350, $375.00!

Which guitar? A...CV strat new, $350.00 (junk), or a used Highway One Strat (Heaven) used, $400.00. I'll take the Hwy 1, please!

8)


With any lower end guitars you have to try a few out. If you take ANY guitar home without road testing it first you deserve the burn imo. Overall the CV line are being praised quite highly by some professional guitar players. It sounds like you got some lemons. They don't represent the whole line though. I have played for over 25 years and used to think the same as you until someone in my local guitar shop insisted I try a couple. I played 2 CV's and a Deluxe. All three were very nicely put together. I ended up buying one to mess around with and it's become my most used guitar for the last year. One of my favorite players played to filled arenas with a modded Squier and he still pulls it out to this day.


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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 7:15 am
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I mentioned earlier the Mexican teles that I own. I like the hell out of em both! One is a regular Tele and the other a Blacktop Telecaster with humbuckers. I play in open G and open C and I got the Blacktop mostly for the sake of not having to retune between songs during a set. What is interesting was the fact that I had to play SEVERAL in the store before I found the one I liked in both instances. This is true of Squires and the Mexican Fenders. The American made ones sound really good no matter what guitar you choose. I have to assume it is more due to quality control than anything else. The first Telecaster I bought was from the Guitar Center and it was after a big weekend sale. The first 5 I tried to play ALL had one issue or another...loose jack, defective toggle switch, poor output in one pickup or the other. I tried the Squiers...same thing. The American ones I picked up sounded sweet from the get go. For a minute there I thought I would have to shell out 800 bucks for a guitar (about 300 more than I wanted to spend that day....don't think I even had that much in my checking account). FINALLY I found one. This may have been more due to those poor guitars getting seriously abused over the GC's blowout sale weekend. All I can say is really take some time out to find that right one. Spend an hour or so playing around and looking.



Exactly, the QC is the real issue. Everyone seems to like to look down on someone. Custom shop owners look down on USA Standard owners, USA owners look down on MIM owners, MIM owners look down on Squier owners. Meanwhile the rest of us are enjoying guitars that do it for us.


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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 9:23 am
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Muff Diver wrote:
RCB-CA-USA wrote:
Muff Diver wrote:
Oh wow, so you're telling me that a $1200 guitar was better build quality than a $250 one ?


Oh man, how can it be ? :lol:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFaWYSr6d_Y


You can get an American made, used Highway One Stratocaster for around $400.00, $500.00 for a prime specimen! If you shop around, $350, $375.00!

Which guitar? A...CV strat new, $350.00 (junk), or a used Highway One Strat (Heaven) used, $400.00. I'll take the Hwy 1, please!

8)


With any lower end guitars you have to try a few out. If you take ANY guitar home without road testing it first you deserve the burn imo. Overall the CV line are being praised quite highly by some professional guitar players. It sounds like you got some lemons. They don't represent the whole line though. I have played for over 25 years and used to think the same as you until someone in my local guitar shop insisted I try a couple. I played 2 CV's and a Deluxe. All three were very nicely put together. I ended up buying one to mess around with and it's become my most used guitar for the last year. One of my favorite players played to filled arenas with a modded Squier and he still pulls it out to this day.


"professional guitar players" buy a CV and then change or heavily adjust the nuts, give the frets and unfinished fret ends some attention, spice up the electronics, do a factory setup, for real. A professional guitar player puts about 2, 300 bucks worth of time and parts into the lower end guitars and then rave about them because they didn't have to spend $1,200.00 for a similar looking, similar sounding but still inferior guitar that when demoed side by side is distinctly inferior but ..."sounds like" the real fender.

I did the...put down the real strat, play the squier for a while thing, learned to like the squier, my song choices changed, and then picked up the real strat and was blown away by the ease of play-ability, the superior tone, the more durable feel and the fact that I could do everything I did on the squier but mind mindbogglingly better plus get back to my ...better song choices, more complex music not in a squier, the complexity of tone is just *not* there in a squier.

Alls I'm saying is; if you are gonna buy anything squier 350 or over, look at the Highway One used instead. Why? You'd have to spend another 2, 300 on the squier to get it to..."sound like" the Hwy 1 and the squier will still not sound as good as the Hwy 1, no matter what you do to it, and you'll end up spending less and getting astoundingly better for doing so. Not to mention, if the buy used trend takes hold over buy new squier...Fender will have to crank up the quality control on the squier to keep the business.

Oh, and here's wut would have been necessary to make the CV strat as playable as the Hwy 1...1) Re-finish the CV 50's neck. Not only is the poly blobbed on nearly all squier CV 50's necks, but it's too slippery under humid conditions and has no grit during bends, it's too smooth sounding, like a courtesy, not a bend. 2) Glue and re-bore cracked peg holes, install better tuners. 3) Shim nut and neck. 4) Re-crown frets and finish fret ends. 5) Replace volume and tone controls and switch. 6) Re-fill several screw holes and re-seat screws. 7) Replace trem block if there's a usable replacement, lots of opinions and options and size limitations, nothing concrete. 8) Pickup curiosity will set in... ummm, I saved hundreds of hours and hundreds of dollars buying the Hwy 1 -- it's exactly what I would do to the squier to get it to ..."sound like" the real fender.

...Muff Diver, I had a Big Muff when I was a kid! Had a Gibson SG and Fender Princeton Reverb at the time, 1974! ...wish I would ah kept all that.


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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 11:52 am
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Wow there is a lot of hate for the Squier CV here lately. I only owned 3 Squiers in my 25 years playing. I have never had any issues with any of them. When I had my CV it was my #2 guitar. I traded in for a Blacktop and later wished I hadn't. I really liked the tone better on the CV 60.

I do have to admit that my Highway 1 has been my number 1 for several years. I love that guitar very much, but it had a lot of modifications done to it.

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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:50 pm
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"professional guitar players" buy a CV and then change or heavily adjust the nuts, give the frets and unfinished fret ends some attention,


No, thats just the way you are trying to justify you opinion. I've never found any fret end issues like you claim. I'm not saying the one you played didn't, I'm just saying that it's not the norm according to reviews or my own experience.

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and then change or heavily adjust the nuts,


$4.00 on a guitar, oh the shame. Plenty of people change out the nut on much more "reputable" guitars.

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A professional guitar player puts about 2, 300 bucks worth of time and parts into the lower end guitars


Not always, you're making sweeping statements. Even if they did, it's obviously a good mod platform or they wouldn't have bothered. Stock Squier guitars have been played live with established acts without mods.

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similar sounding but still inferior guitar that when demoed side by side is distinctly inferior but ..."sounds like" the real fender.


Incorrect. A Squier is a Fender btw. Just like a MIM is. Again professional players have used Squier guitars even when they own many USA models. Sort of proves you wrong right there.

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I did the...put down the real strat,


USA made, the Squier is a stratocaster. if it wasn't they wouldn't carry the name. Just a heads up there.

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I did the...put down the real strat, play the squier for a while thing, learned to like the squier, my song choices changed, and then picked up the real strat and was blown away by the ease of play-ability, the superior tone, the more durable feel and the fact that I could do everything I did on the squier but mind mindbogglingly better plus get back to my ...better song choices, more complex music not in a squier, the complexity of tone is just *not* there in a squier.


Oh, you can play more "complex" music on a USA start ? I'll take this opportunity to tell you I'm 40 years of age, not 14.

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[Fender will have to crank up the quality control on the squier to keep the business./quote]

Incorrect, if FENDER keep the quality they are currently producing with the higher end Squier guitars, lower end models such as the one you own will continue to look less and less attractive. Plenty have passed up on these lesser US models already.

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Oh, and here's wut would have been necessary to make the CV strat as playable as the Hwy 1...1)


$3.00

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Re-finish the CV 50's neck. Not only is the poly blobbed on nearly all squier CV 50's necks, but it's too slippery under humid conditions and has no grit during bends, it's too smooth sounding, like a courtesy, not a bend.


Utter nonsense. You're trying too hard :lol:

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Glue and re-bore cracked peg holes, install better tuners. 3) Shim nut and neck. 4)


Nonsense, you're conveniently taking your lemon as an example of the whole series. Take a guitar home you haven't tried out first and you clearly deserve a lemon. Guitar buying 101.

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Re-fill several screw holes and re-seat screws.


See above. That's an individual QC issue, it doesn't represent the model.

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Replace trem block if there's a usable replacement, lots of opinions and options and size limitations, nothing concrete.


And yet plenty have managed with an easily available replacement. Again, your reaching.

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Pickup curiosity will set in... ummm, I saved hundreds of hours and hundreds of dollars buying the Hwy 1


Or not.

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it's exactly what I would do to the squier to get it to ..."sound like" the real fender.


And many custom shop owners would laugh at your purchase of a bottom end strat, telling you it was worth the extra cash to get a "real Fender". Like I said, everybody likes to try & feel better buy looking down on someone.

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...Muff Diver, I had a Big Muff when I was a kid! Had a Gibson SG and Fender Princeton Reverb at the time, 1974! ...wish I would ah kept all that.


Yep, hindsight is 20/20. We've all done that. Thankfully I managed to keep most of my older collection.





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