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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 5:31 am
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So, you can keep going around in circles with your harsh vitriol simply because I find a used, stock Hwy 1 to be a better instrument and value than an upgraded Squier.



Actually we're going round in circles because you made sweeping statements about guitars that you just can't back up. You are also making yourself look like an fool by continuously telling us a £6/700 guitar is better than a £250 one. I mean, talk about stating the bloody obvious :lol:

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All 3 CV 50's needed the neck refinished, 2 needed the peg holes glued because they were cracked at the factory, fret end finishing was necessary on all three guitars, new tone and volume pots were necessary on all three guitars, two showing up with defective pots, the quality...junk, the nuts needed to be shimmed on all of them, and still, the wood and paint of the CV 50's are lifeless as compared to the Hwy 1 wood, which is the point you are not getting.


Again, many experienced guitarists including professionals don't agree with you're alleged findings. Nobody is saying yours weren't lemons, just that they don't represent the entire brand.

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Anyways


On a side note, why do Americans always add the letter S to the word anyway when they type ? Always puzzled me. Anyway(s) I digress.

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Anyways, I'm ah gonna photograph the red/maple Squier Strat tomorrow.


No, photograph the lot please.

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. It's a Squier from when they used good wood but did not do finish work on the neck, made narrower necks, and used cheap parts and cheap electronics. If you spend about...$500.00 worth of work on it, it'll be playable. Sure, if you do the work yourself, about $150, $200.00 for parts,


2 words..................Loaded pickguard. not that it's even needed in some cases. The clips we have posted proves that.

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Hwy 1, better wood, better investment.


Not always. Spending an extra £4/500 on a guitar isn't always the right thing to do.


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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 5:35 am
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Oh yes I just remembered. You said all squiers were unplayable without hundreds spent on them. You didn't make the statement about yours, you made it about all squiers. Sorry, son. I'm old, but I still have my memory :arrow:


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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 6:41 am
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All 3 CV 50's needed the neck refinished, 2 needed the peg holes glued because they were cracked at the factory, fret end finishing was necessary on all three guitars, new tone and volume pots were necessary on all three guitars, two showing up with defective pots, the quality...junk, the nuts needed to be shimmed on all of them, and still, the wood and paint of the CV 50's are lifeless as compared to the Hwy 1 wood, which is the point you are not getting.

honestly i do get your point, you purchased lemons online without trying them first and decicded that was a fair enough comparison to make a judgement on every guitar made by the company.

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So, you can keep going around in circles with your harsh vitriol simply because I find a used, stock Hwy 1 to be a better instrument and value than an upgraded Squier.

the harsh vitorial is nothing but backlash, i believe you basically told me my guitar is worthless piece of junk, and until you realise this isnt the truth i shall continue to retaliate, childish as this statement may seem but "you started it bucko".

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If you spend about...$500.00 worth of work on it, it'll be playable.

i have spent less than £10 on copper shielding to upgrade my CV 50's and it was perfectly playable before i done that so how do we figure that one out then? is mine just a fluke or something? i just dont understand how my guitar is so good.

and wood isnt really the issue in hand because even a basswood or plywood bodied squier is completely playable with a good setup and no upgrades, it just wont sound as good as you or i would want a guitar to sound, but good enough for someone to learn on without question.


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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 5:21 pm
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I am not sure who stated that the Highway 1 is all MIM parts built in USA, but this statement is inaccurate. The body and neck are built in the USA. It is the hardware that is mostly MIM stuff. Anyway, didn't want to burst any bubbles but this is widely known and has been debated here on the Forum in the past.

And just to let y'all know that one man's trash is another man's treasure. I personally like the some Squire models and some Fender models and would proudly play either at a gig knowing the one I played was good for me because I picked it out to buy. Most of us here are not going to buy a crap guitar. This is why I always say to play before you pay.

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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 12:13 pm
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rkreisher wrote:
I am not sure who stated that the Highway 1 is all MIM parts built in USA, but this statement is inaccurate. The body and neck are built in the USA. It is the hardware that is mostly MIM stuff. Anyway, didn't want to burst any bubbles but this is widely known and has been debated here on the Forum in the past.


Hi, how ya doing.


The facts remain it's something of a cheeky tactic by Fender and is absolutely a MIM with some wiring upgrades. The parts that make a guitar usable are largely MIM parts on a guitar stamped USA. The side of the border the people making the guitar stand on makes no odds.


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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 1:11 pm
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to be honest for me its not about which is better the hwy1 or the higher end squiers, i may not be a great guitarist but i know when one is playable, and being told that mine isnt by someone whose string of bad purchases thinks that that constitutes every guitar by that manafacturer being unplayable just puts me on the defensive straight away.

if i was to buy a guitar in poor condition it would be because i have seen potential in it of becoming a good guitar with some time, effort and money put into it, but i would never ever buy one without at least seeing it up close first, infact i am currently on the lookout for a cheap heap to buy as something i can modify :wink:


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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 8:18 pm
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There is no good and no bad in the world of guitars, only what you like and what you don't. Like cars and women, one man's gold is another man's dirt.
So don't crap on people just cause they disagree with you or whatnot.

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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 9:08 pm
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Muff Diver wrote:
rkreisher wrote:
I am not sure who stated that the Highway 1 is all MIM parts built in USA, but this statement is inaccurate. The body and neck are built in the USA. It is the hardware that is mostly MIM stuff. Anyway, didn't want to burst any bubbles but this is widely known and has been debated here on the Forum in the past.


Hi, how ya doing.


The facts remain it's something of a cheeky tactic by Fender and is absolutely a MIM with some wiring upgrades. The parts that make a guitar usable are largely MIM parts on a guitar stamped USA. The side of the border the people making the guitar stand on makes no odds.



Wow, don't really want to fight here. What makes a guitar a playable guitar is not where the parts are made, but how well the parts are put together to make the guitar play. So if you could enlighten me which parts are made in the USA and which parts are Made in Mexico on the Highway 1 series and how this makes this guitar inferior? The only parts I know of for sure that aren't made in the USA are the Tremolo and Tuners. Maybe the jack; however it is the exact same jack as my 2011 American Standard. The pots are the same pots that are in my American Standard and Blacktop...hey there is something fishy here. I do conceed that the pickups aren't the best I have ever heard but they are not that bad either. However, I do think those are made in the USA?

I always tell people that are looking to purchace a guitar is to play before you pay. The way a guitar feels and sounds are completely in the hands and ears of the player themselves, and should be the only determining factors as to whether a guitar is worth paying for, not the origin of the guitar or its parts.

I would never tell anyone that their guitar is a piece of crap just because of where it was made.

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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 2:10 am
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Wow, don't really want to fight here.


I think you misunderstood my post. I wasn't arguing with you.

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What makes a guitar a playable guitar is not where the parts are made, but how well the parts are put together to make the guitar play.


A point I've made on here several times. I'm merely pointing out to RCB Brawley that his guitar is made from parts that are not of the highest quality much like the Squier models, they were chosen to fit a budget.

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So if you could enlighten me which parts are made in the USA and which parts are Made in Mexico on the Highway 1 series and how this makes this guitar inferior?


Inferior is a strong word, but technically speaking it is inferior to a high end model. Much of the hardware is from the MIM strat. The difference really is with the electronics. My point being that I could buy a MIM and upgrade the electronics for waaaaaay less that £6/700. THAT is my point.

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I do conceed that the pickups aren't the best I have ever heard but they are not that bad either. However, I do think those are made in the USA?


By Mexicans. No No I joke :lol: It really doesn't matter the nationality of the person assembling parts. parts made to a tight budget again.


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I always tell people that are looking to purchace a guitar is to play before you pay. The way a guitar feels and sounds are completely in the hands and ears of the player themselves, and should be the only determining factors as to whether a guitar is worth paying for, not the origin of the guitar or its parts.

I would never tell anyone that their guitar is a piece of crap just because of where it was made.


Totally agree. I think RCB Brawley agrees too given the back pedaling that's going on. I've been playing over 25 years and I'm not going to be told I don't know what to look for in a guitar by someone who feels the need to invent things to justify his purchase.


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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 3:19 am
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Muff Diver wrote:

Totally agree. I think RCB Brawley agrees too given the back pedaling that's going on. I've been playing over 25 years and I'm not going to be told I don't know what to look for in a guitar by someone who feels the need to invent things to justify his purchase.


One Brawley on the way, another in the works!

NO back pedaling here. The used Hwy 1 is a superior value to the Squier upgrade route because the Hwy 1 has better wood, period.

And, I wouldn't recommend a new Squier purchase due to the amount of defects I discovered while randomly purchasing squiers to figure out whether or not I wanted to promote the guitar by playing it.

So, don't go fabricating stories in your head about me to feel better about your Squier purcahses!

I didn't have time to snap photos today, maybe tomorrow!


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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 3:27 am
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Muff Diver wrote:

Totally agree. I think RCB Brawley agrees too given the back pedaling that's going on. I've been playing over 25 years and I'm not going to be told I don't know what to look for in a guitar by someone who feels the need to invent things to justify his purchase.


One Brawley on the way, another in the works!

NO back pedaling here. The used Hwy 1 is a superior value to the Squier upgrade route because the Hwy 1 has better wood, period.

And, I wouldn't recommend a new Squier purchase due to the amount of defects I discovered while randomly purchasing squiers to figure out whether or not I wanted to promote the guitar by playing it.

So, don't go fabricating stories in your head about me to feel better about your Squier purcahses!

I didn't have time to snap photos today, maybe tomorrow!


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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 4:41 am
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And, I wouldn't recommend a new Squier purchase due to the amount of defects I discovered while randomly purchasing squiers to figure out whether or not I wanted to promote the guitar by playing it


This pretty much says it all. Why would you even buy an "unplayable" guitar? I'd think that if it was in that condition, then you would know it as soon as you played it in the store.

As a former American Standard owner, I always wondered why some people just don't save up the money and get an American Standard? As soon as you see a HWY 1 you know that it is not an American just buy the headstock the same one as a Squier has btw, and the fact that the person is taking it around in a gig bag.


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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 5:01 am
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One Brawley on the way, another in the works!



Groovy, I'm always interested in guitars I haven't seen before.

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NO back pedaling here. The used Hwy 1 is a superior value to the Squier upgrade route because the Hwy 1 has better wood, period.


CV £200/250, HWY1 £600/700. MIM + loaded pickguard £350/450. Looks like the modded MIM is way better value than a HWY1. You went from "all squiers" are unplayable to "my squiers are unplayable". That, son is a back pedal :lol: You just hoped we wouldn't notice.

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And, I wouldn't recommend a new Squier purchase due to the amount of defects


No defects seem to have cropped up on ANY of the squeirs people have reviewed online or for guitar mags. Just the lemons you claim to have bought. Still waiting for those pictures of your 5 squiers and boxes of parts BTW ?

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So, don't go fabricating stories in your head about me to feel better about your Squier purcahses!


I've used direct quotes from you, kid. You should think before speaking if you don't like what you read, they're your words. Now you're trying to take back your backpedal by reasserting your false allegations. yeah, son I noticed that too :lol:





Now, 5 squiers and boxes of parts. Let's see it ?


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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 10:09 am
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NO back pedaling here. The used Hwy 1 is a superior value to the Squier upgrade route because the Hwy 1 has better wood, period.

All i have done to my squier is cavity shielding, the copper sheet cost me £8 on ebay, no other upgrades necessary because it sounds and plays just how i like it, upgrading is down to personal taste not because you think i should do it, so thats £208 in total for my squier now thats value for money in my opinion, just because you say jump that don't mean i'm gonna do it.

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And, I wouldn't recommend a new Squier purchase due to the amount of defects

Its not just professionals that have tested and found no defects, mine is absolutely perfect i just had to set it up to how i liked it, go figure.

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while randomly purchasing squiers to figure out whether or not I wanted to promote the guitar by playing it.

Why would you randomly purchase them when you can go to a guitar shop and ask to demo any guitar they have including the ones still in the boxes not displayed, its the same thing just costs less. Promoting? if you were that good a player you would have your own signature model, thats what guitar companies do when they want to promote their guitars they get world famous players to endorse them. What you are doing is called preference, you choose to play a certain guitar because you like the way it feels and sounds, the promoting has been done thats what made you look for the guitar you play today.

Your arrogance and ignorance holds no bounds, it really does boil down to the fact that you were stupid enough (yes i said stupid) to buy guitars online without trying them first, thats your fault and no one elses not even squiers even though you seem to think it is, couriers are not exactly the most delicate fingered of people at the best of times, so the damage done to your guitars may not even have been an issue in the factory, but i dont suppose that had even crossed your mind you were too busy trying to give squier guitars a bad name. So the only your research has concluded is that you shouldnt purchase a guitar online, thanks for strengthening the arguement that you should play before buy.


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Post subject: Re: Squier or 'real' Fender
Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 10:55 am
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Where is the like button on this mofo.


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