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Post subject: Re: RockBand 3 Squire
Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 9:42 pm
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I just got the guitar set up and have been trying it with the RB3 tutorial mode. I'm having a problem with the D string picking up correctly. It only registers about 1 out of 20 tries. All the other strings are OK. It picks up the fret position, but not the strum. The guitar is tuned properly, although the manual says that shouldn't matter in RB3.

Any suggestions?


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Post subject: Re: RockBand 3 Squire
Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 10:59 pm
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Adjust the pickup height first. There's a phillips screw on each side of it. You'll want to turn the screw near the thinner strings counterclockwise about a half a turn at a time to bring it closer to the thinner strings. Test it each time you turn the screw to see if it's right.
If it get's to the point where the other strings start getting too touchy, (your getting strum signals from strings you're not picking) you'll want to back it back down some, and adjust just the G string downward a little at a time with the allen wrench they gave you in the box, (again turn counterclockwise) to bring just it closer to the pickup. It may take a little messing with but it should dial in without too much effort.

If any of this isn't clear let me know. I can shoot a vid and post it to Youtube for you.


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Post subject: Re: RockBand 3 Squire
Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 11:16 pm
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Thanks for the tip on the pickup. I'll try that and report my results. I can probably figure it out (I'm not an experienced guitar player, but I am an experienced musician). The more I've played it, the more I've noticed it doesn't pick up several strings consistently. Low E, A, & G pick up 100% of the time, but D, B, and high E don't.

I have also noticed (and read on another forum) that sometimes you have to turn the switch on the back on and off or unplug/replug it in to get it to work right. Sometimes doing that seems to make it pick up better.


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Post subject: Re: RockBand 3 Squire
Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 1:04 am
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You shouldn't have any trouble then.
It's hard to tell how much info to give out when you deal with someone on the interweb.
I used to under explain and had to go into more depth. Now I just over explain and let the recipient throw out the extra stuff they don't need to be on the safe side.
The thinner strings don't generate as much of a field, so they tend to need less of a gap to pick up right.
I'd love to know how many of these Squiers they've sold since release.


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Post subject: Re: RockBand 3 Squire
Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 6:59 am
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Gamer1st--

Just run a soft-synth in Live. It should detect your MIDI input and if not, there will be an option to scan for MIDI devices and select it.


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Post subject: Re: RockBand 3 Squire
Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 8:15 am
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Cheers of trying all this stuff Gamer1st. Thanks a lot.

"I got my outputs setup in ableton. "

I have never really used Ableton so I am unsure of how it deals with midi coming in.

It should have a tab or menu somewhere saying Midi-in [USB-2] or the name of the hardware you are using. It might be under midi devices or it might be under the midi track that you have created. Remember though that each string is on it's own midi channel from 1 - 6 so presumably these will all need to be run through the same synth. (Unless you find a sweet bass sound and use that for the E and A string.)

Try this. It will be more help than me. http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/feb07/a ... h_0207.htm

There is a possibility that the software itself might be getting confused which would mean that you will need to go through their fail safe which is here,

http://www.ableton.com/pages/faq/midi_sync

It might be the clock syncing or something but that would depend on the hardware Midi input you are using to connect the guitar your computer. Is it USB ?

As I say I know nothing about Ableton so feel like a bit of a $@!&#*% for advising it. I am not sure on the soft synths that are available within the program. But $@!& it let us know how you get on.

I have found this video on youtube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUsxWtecKz8

It shows someone playing a few chords and showing the synth-mode (tapping mode). It also shows it working with Midiox which is interesting. I think he is still in tapping mode when using midiox though. So can't tell how good the pick up will be at sensing when a note is plucked.
Or when it decides a note should be off. However we are crossing the boundaries between control and synthesis now. I suspect it will have sustain until either the note is plucked again or the finger is moved. Or how much decay you have used on your synth.
Maybe you should try using midiox Gamer1st. As it will show you the values before they go to Ableton and act as the link between the guitar and ableton...


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Post subject: Re: RockBand 3 Squire
Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 2:40 pm
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Apps like Midiox are powerful but very nerdy. I shudder to think of the average musician trying to use it. It has odd terms for in and out and hooking it into your DAW is tricky since it assumes you know a lot about its terminology and midi in general. The Squier really needs a consumer-friendly dedicated control app as that guy made for the Mustang/Mac.


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Post subject: Re: RockBand 3 Squire
Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 3:07 pm
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Sorry guys...
I'm at a loss.
That's three hours of my life I'll never get back.
I've tried FL studios 9
Cakewalk
and Ableton
And still haven't gotten anywhere.
They all have specific devices they want to look for, or if it's a generic, they want port info and a bunch of other stuff I have no clue about.
This may have something to do with why there's no midi review up yet.
The midi pro will interface with the pc no problem as will the Squier, I just have no clue where to go with it from here.
I'm sure the info there in the form of tutorials but it looks like it would take the better part of a day to go through everything.
Used to this wouldn't have been an issue for me. Not any more. I've been on large daily doses of fentanyl for the last 10 years due to nerve damage in my back, and the old walnut just isn't as sharp as it once was.
Odds are that this will work for midi at least as well as the Mustang since they both use the same interface methods. It's just going to take someone more adept than me at midi software, (a five year old maybe? :roll: ) to figure it out.
I can deal with the different photo-shop software and pretty much anything dealing with pc hardware setup as well. This midi stuff is a foreign language to me though.


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Post subject: Re: RockBand 3 Squire
Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 4:20 am
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No worries gamer1st. It certainly isn't simple to get everything sorted. I forget how difficult it is to find good working software for free. I already have my software which was mainly bought for good money and have used it for years. I'd probably be at a loss on Ableton too.

Musicmaster2

Midi itself very nerdy ! Apps like Midiox (Although I will be using other software) are incredibly useful especially if you want to make a midi controller work better. If I buy one of these when it becomes available in my country I will almost certainly be programming something to help people make the most out of it. I just want to find out in advance what problems I am up against.


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Post subject: Re: RockBand 3 Squire
Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 6:40 am
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EGarland wrote:
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Let me know if it worked for you.



Heya, I'm a resident on London On and have been stimied at every turn trying to locate a business that sells the squier strat. Let me know if this technique works for you and how long you had to wait as i am seriously considering this option rather than waiting for it to appear on our side of the border. Cheers!


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Post subject: Re: RockBand 3 Squire
Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 8:36 am
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Thanks Gamer1st


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Post subject: Re: RockBand 3 Squire
Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 1:16 pm
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Unstable wrote:
Midi itself very nerdy ! Apps like Midiox (Although I will be using other software) are incredibly useful especially if you want to make a midi controller work better. If I buy one of these when it becomes available in my country I will almost certainly be programming something to help people make the most out of it. I just want to find out in advance what problems I am up against.


Totally agree. That's why when techies routinely tell Everyman to just "get MidiOx or MidiPipe and tweak to your hearts content" most average blokes are gonna end up like gamer1st. Just getting those apps to hook up with your DAW and controller is daunting enough. Not user friendly at all.


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Post subject: Re: RockBand 3 Squire
Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 8:00 pm
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I found this document, which has actually helped some with accuracy on RB3. I think there are going to be a LOT of returns to the store, if they are all set up as badly as the one I got. A lot of people are not going to take the time, or have the ability to make all the adjustments necessary, especially the new guitar players who will be attracted to this product. The pickup on mine was apparently not close to where it needed to be in order for the MIDI output to pick up the strums. I had to raise it 5-10 turns of the screw to get the D string to pick up consistently (and I may be premature saying that it actually is picking up consistently).

http://www.fender.com/support/articles/squier-by-fender-stratocaster-guitar-and-controller-setup-guide


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Post subject: Re: RockBand 3 Squire
Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 11:50 pm
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Apparently, Finale may be the software you're looking for if you still want to hook up your Squier to your computer for tabbing purposes.

This seems to be a pretty comprehensive tutorial for setup:
http://www.finalemusic.com/UserManuals/Finale2011win/Content/Finale/Tutorial_7__Guitar_Tab_and_Fretted_Instruments6.htm
The demo should work with this, but I have not tried it myself!

Kontakt supposedly works with the Mustang without much setup, so that would be another thing to potentially try.


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Post subject: Re: RockBand 3 Squire
Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 1:47 am
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BWALL

If you do still have issues you can pull off the battery cover and you'll see a small plastic bar held on with two small philips screws. Remove that bar and you'll see six gold potentiometer adjusting screws. If you need to further dial in the sensitivity, adjust the one you're having issues with by turning ccw to increase sensitivity or cw to decrease.


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