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Post subject: Re: RockBand 3 Squire
Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 8:06 am
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wakaranai wrote:
Apparently, Finale may be the software you're looking for if you still want to hook up your Squier to your computer for tabbing purposes.

This seems to be a pretty comprehensive tutorial for setup:
http://www.finalemusic.com/UserManuals/Finale2011win/Content/Finale/Tutorial_7__Guitar_Tab_and_Fretted_Instruments6.htm
The demo should work with this, but I have not tried it myself!

Kontakt supposedly works with the Mustang without much setup, so that would be another thing to potentially try.

Logic Pro also does music notation and tab generation, though that's probably overkill if you aren't also using it as a DAW, etc. (and even then it's cheaper than Finale).

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Post subject: Re: RockBand 3 Squire
Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 8:59 am
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http://www.sentientfx.com

...sample-based synths are in the works too.


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Post subject: Re: RockBand 3 Squire
Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 11:15 am
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Incredibly with all the thousands of these shipped, not one guy in the world has done a midi review of the Squier.

But the more we hear about "dead strings" and the need to do elaborate adjustments from way inside the unit just to make the pickups work properly the more the Mustang is looking like the better move for midi.


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Post subject: Re: RockBand 3 Squire
Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 12:34 pm
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This guy seems to have gotten it working pretty smoothly. He even uses the expression control:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyIYYHpttHo

It seems like the musicians that know how to use it are far more interested in making music with the controller, than making a comprehensive review of it as a MIDI guitar. From what I've seen so far, it takes some hacking (and/or a lot of hardware/software) to get it working flawlessly, so I think either we'll have to bug those music software geniuses for more information, or wait until more specific tools are released for a wider audience. Maybe both.

Someone already made a program specifically for getting the Mustang to play on a Mac, so hopefully he's planning to release one for the Squier as well.


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Post subject: Re: RockBand 3 Squire
Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 7:57 pm
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Musicmaster2 wrote:
Incredibly with all the thousands of these shipped, not one guy in the world has done a midi review of the Squier.

But the more we hear about "dead strings" and the need to do elaborate adjustments from way inside the unit just to make the pickups work properly the more the Mustang is looking like the better move for midi.



The adjustments aren't "elaborate" or "way inside the unit".

You remove the battery cover with your thumb and the plate is right there. It's a simpler process overall than adjusting a truss rod.

Here's the whole process if anyone needs to do it...

Remove battery cover and this is what you see...

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Then remove the cover from the screws and you have this...


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Adjust and done.

And that's if it's even needed. Most never need touch them, the one I have included.

It would have been nice to have a way to adjust the Mustang's string sensitivity. That's one of the reasons the one I bought was returned.


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Post subject: Re: RockBand 3 Squire
Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 12:10 am
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Exactly my point, that is way over the line for the average user. Where do they get the tiny screwdriver? Oh, nerds have piles of them. How do they know to do this in the first place? Oh, nerds know all the right forums to do shop swap. Hiding beneath the battery pack, gosh that's user-friendly.

This is a nerd toy requiring nerd level of interest and skills for midi, not a consumer-level instrument that should work perfectly right out of the box like a...GUITAR.

BTW, I have already seen multiple reports of Squier Strat players with dead strings which would not output midi. The guys just returned the units, no interest in having to become a mechanic just to make it function as Fender should have made it function out of the box.

And that video above is no indication of tracking accuracy. The parts the guy were playing were ridiculously simplistic and slow. Then the video fell out of sync with the audio suggesting we were not listening to live performance, but potentially quantized pre-recorded midi tracks. Nothing is revealed.


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Post subject: Re: RockBand 3 Squire
Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:22 am
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From what I've read, MIDI guitars seem to be a pretty niche market. In terms of being able to work as a consumer level instrument, which other MIDI guitars are you comparing it to?


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Post subject: Re: RockBand 3 Squire
Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:52 am
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Yamaha EZ-AG/EG, Mad Katz RB3 Mustang, YouRock guitar. Right now, the one seemingly reliable out-of-the-box midi controller that performs as advertised is the Mustang.

The YRG was a cricket bat on arrival but they pulled together a control app and tweaked it fast to improve things. As of today, the jury is still out on whether the YRG is stable and viable enough to perform reliably.

Too many reports of midi problems with the Squier on arrival. And no one to date has done a credible review of it demonstrating reliable tracking in typical use situations.

Perhaps the Squier can prove itself a contender, but it's not looking good at this point.


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Post subject: Re: RockBand 3 Squire
Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 4:59 am
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I thought you knew something about guitars?

Since when has one ever worked perfectly out of the box? I have four standard guitars at the moment, (not counting the Squier) and have owned a total of nine in my lifetime. Only one of them hasn't needed either a strut rod adjustment, (hiding beneath the tiny screw on the head), fret work, or a nut modified, and they've run from as cheap as $295.00 all the way up to $1250.00. And none of that setup mentions tuning, something that every gitfiddle ever made needs no matter if it came in a box or off a store rack.

By the by, the screwdriver was a standard #2 philips bit. Pretty standard equipment no matter how unnerdy one might be. But that's not really the issue is it?

At this point I must say it sounds like the Mustang is right up your ally and may be a perfect fit. It's less than $200.00, (can be had as low as $99.00) and not at all complicated. But since you never have to actually make music if you never find any hardware you like, you probably won't like the Mustang either.

I predicted it before release and hit it right on the head, there's nothing here, (in this thread) that you'll like. Especially since it deals with the Squier.

If you stick around in this thread it could only be for one reason...

You're a troll.


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Post subject: Re: RockBand 3 Squire
Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 3:08 pm
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You may want to check on the definition of that fancy Latin term. You obviously don't understand it's meaning or proper use. Here's a good source...

http://plover.net/~bonds/adhominem.html


For the people that are here for the Squier itself...

My kids left our Squier with me and took off for school.

I played with it from about 10:00 this morning till 3ish this afternoon with no stops. It was as accurate at the end of the session as it was at the beginning. I can't make the same claim about my playing however. I haven't used a pick in quite a while, and my one and only complaint about the Squier is that it has too many strings since I've been gravitating to bass play as of late. I'll have to get used to playing something with this many strings spaced this closely together again.
I was surprised to see how many different types of songs are available online already. The ones I played around with today all seem to be charted pretty accurately so that's good news. Using pro mode is certainly more entertaining than the lessons route I took way back when. I'll know if it's effective for teaching a beginner pretty quickly when I see how my kids do with it. But even if they don't get into it seriously I had a blast.


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Post subject: Re: RockBand 3 Squire
Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 7:37 am
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Curious how the upcoming Rocksmith "game" from Ubisoft will measure up. Instead of the whole MIDI guitar thing, it just uses a 1/4" to USB cable into the PS3 or xbox, with a regular guitar. They just got some videos up in the past day or so, the first one was just a marketing piece but the next three give you a glimpse of how it should work:

http://rocksmith.ubi.com/rocksmith/en-US/

Fall 2011 seems like an awfully long wait....

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Post subject: Re: RockBand 3 Squire
Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 3:34 pm
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Just wondering if its the old guitar hero crew that may be behind some of the development?
Perhaps Ubi took them under their wing after Activision weren't prepared to halp out?

Theres no actual gameplay shots I have seen yet so not really much to see how they will get round the latency issue which is probably going to be the biggest problem with using a standard electric guitar with this sort of software/game.

I heard that they are also developing a Les Paul Gibson in the same way as the Fender Squier controller
Ah well, my sister was more into GH than me, so she may be happy, I'll still be getting me Squier though .


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Post subject: Re: RockBand 3 Squire
Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 1:04 pm
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i thought this may help someone. i bought this---- http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_au/Uno.html ----its a midi cord with midi in and out (2) plugs on one end and the adapter and usb plug on the other. plug the out plug into the guitar and go here- -http://vmpk.sourceforge.net/ --download vmpk software, its a free soft midi keyboard program , it picked up my guitar as soon as i figured out what options i needed to check off. if you install this software-- i forget when it asks this but its changeable in the keyboard window--click edit, under edit at top click connections, check first 2 small boxes in widow and for me on the last 2 fields i picked midisport uno in as input and microsoft gs wave as output... not perfect but it works and its free.. i also downloaded midi-ox ,,its in wiki links if you want more info.


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