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whoever started this thread is a #$@*&!% douche.

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So I heard back from Guitar Fetish...no tremolo blocks for lefties. There are some out there from other sources, at 4 times the price. Rats.


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So I heard back from Guitar Fetish...no tremolo blocks for lefties. There are some out there from other sources, at 4 times the price. Rats.
Yes too bad. Those other people are 4 times the price, What a joke. lol I hate that. Thanks for posting.


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Here's a testimonial for all the label snobs who automatically dismiss Squiers as inferior instruments. 16 years ago, I had to sell my prized Rickenbacker 320 to pay the bills. I was so heartbroken that I quit playing guitar altogether. Four years ago, my 7-year-old son decided he wanted to learn guitar, so I took him shopping for his birthday. At the store, I came across a beautiful Sunburst, maple-necked Affinity Strat and was blown away that it was only $150.00 brand-new. So I bought it and picked up where I left off. BTW, my son got a red Mini Strat.

Last year, I turned 40 and decided my birthday present was going to be a "real" Fender Stratocaster. Since the MIM was in my price range, I sampled a bunch of them and was sorely disappointed. I played a couple of keepers, but most of them suffered from scratchy electronics or fretboard edges that felt like steak knives. Then I came across a Daphne Blue Squier Deluxe Stratocaster and immediately fell in love all over again.

Compared to the MIM, the Deluxe has a one-piece maple neck with rolled fretboard edges and fret ends as smooth as glass. The pickups are Seymour Duncan-Designed Alnico V's that are dead quiet (the MIM's are ceramic magnets.) The Deluxe also has a modern 2-post tremolo that is rock solid and stable. It has a basswood body, but so does the James Burton Tele so that's not a minus at all. The best part is that the Deluxe is about $150.00 cheaper than the Mexican Standard. Needless to say, I got the Deluxe and put some money back in the bank.

I couldn't be happier with this guitar! I've played some much more expensive Strats that can't touch this thing for tone and playability. So you can see how frustrated I get reading threads like this because I love my Squiers!


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Hey, guess what? Doesn't look like the Squier Deluxe is available as a lefty. :(


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Posted: Wed May 19, 2010 11:47 am
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man's version of a strat,but a "broke man's version"I love the mexican standard models,but it seems like the squier just goes out of tune too much and is almost impossible to tweak a good authentic tone out of it.I tried giving these guitars the benefit of the doubt,but now i know that there really IS a difference between the quiality of american made vs far east made.


Ok...at the risk of sounding a bit facetious I would have to ask, why did you pay $1000 plus for a Squier? Wait...let me guess...you didn't did you?

Come on...let's compare apples to apples here...Squier Standard - $229.99 vs. an American Standard - $999.99. Ok...for a price difference of -$770- you really expected these instruments to be completely identical? Is anyone really that completely naive?? The wonder of something like a Squier Standard or a CV is -not- that they're supposed to be as good as American instruments, it's that for the price they are incredibly good, very serious instruments. What's more is that you can take a Squier Standard and for a minimal investment, you can put some decent pickups in, replace that trem block (supposedly GFS has blocks that will fit), do a little fretwork etc., and you will have a truly wonderful and completely gig worthy instrument...and even with the upgrades you're still gonna have -a lot- more bread left in your pocket than you would with an American.

Yes, absolutely there -is- a difference...this should go without saying or any degree of surprise. An American Standard is (generally speaking) going to be a superior instrument to a Squier Standard or an MIM Standard, just as an MIM or a Squier (or a CV) is going to be a superior instrument to an Infinity or a Bullet. "HELLO! MCFLY!!!" You're not paying for an American Standard! This is like another thread a while back here on the Fender forums where someone was griping about some small issues with a Highway One or something...if that poster wanted a Custom Shop instrument they should have bought a Custom Shop instrument instead of a $700 production line model.

Now I also have to say here that in addition to my other instruments, I've got 2 MIM's, a '96 and an '83, as well as 2 Squiers, an '85 MIJ and an '08 Squier Standard...not to mention a nice home build hybrid partscaster with an '04 Indo Squier neck. Of those 5 guitars, of those 5 guitars, the '85 Squier MIJ is the best as far as quality and workmanship. On that alone I will say that anyone who has issues with "Squiers" or "far east made instruments"...I'm sorry but said person doesn't know too much about guitars. Those mid 80's Fenders and Squiers that came out of FujuGen are first rate instruments...period. My "favorite" is my '96 MIM...mostly because I've had her the longest and I've done the most work on her. That said, the quality between my '08 Crafted in China Standard any my MIM's isn't all that drastic at all. The workmanship is very good for a $200 instrument and the hardware is quite comparable to what came on both MIM's stock. I know I've read where a few folks have had trouble with poor fret dressings on these instruments but I haven't had any such problem with either of mine.

Now I had to say that in all fairness here, I've also had 2 Squier Bullets, 1 '08 CIC and 1 '02 (I think) Indo. I payed $100 new for the CIC and something like $65 for the Indo used. I did sell both of them last year to raise money to buy the MIJ and I only had both guitars for a fairly short period of time...less than a year with both. That said, were they as good as even a used, $700 American Standard? No....duh! For what they were though, $100 entry level instruments, they were both very good...in fact the '08 CIC Bullet was one of the nicest $100 I've really ever seen! Real wood body (basswood), nice neck, etc.. With some decent tuners, a decent bridge and some good pickups, she could have been a very serious little player.

I wanted to address these issues because to me, it's folks who make broad generalizations without a frame of reference who give good instruments like Squiers a really bad name. I know there are some folks here who really believe that if it's not an American made instrument or if it didn't cost at least $1000 it's just not worth playing...and that's fine. If ya got that kind of money squirting out various orifices of your body...enjoy. That said there's a reason why so many of us are called "working musicians"...many of us just don't need "top shelf" and are quite happy with something that's simply a decent guitar that we can actually afford.

Further, I have to say that the whole idea of a "poor man's guitar" is simply silly in and of itself...after all, if that's how your going to judge an instrument then you should probably be playing real Les Pauls or Rickenbacker or something...even American Strats are "cheap" guitars comparatively speaking!

BTW...in regards to the tuning issues, I'm sorry but I'd be willing to guess that was setup more than anything else. The truth of the matter here is that an inexpensive Squier, with a decent setup can play pretty well but even a Custom Shop instrument will play like crap with a bad setup...that's a fact my friend. In the show room American models may sometimes get a little attention payed to them but any inexpensive guitar these days is likely going to need a decent setup right out of the box...that's just the nature of the beast. Again of my 5 Strats my "Partscaster" is actually the most stable...'04 Indo Squier neck, unknown body, MIM big block bridge...nothing terribly fancy. No locking or staggard tuners, no roller t's, no locking nut, no blocked off trem...it's a Strat...and it stays put really well. I'm sorry but the idea that Squiers don't stay in tune is simply a myth...on that specific issue they're not really much better or worse than any other Strat out there, American or otherwise. Never blame the instrument, let alone the brand for a bad setup.

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Price range wise i would say definitely.Especially with the asian made models-however with those,they tend to have a big dip not only in price range,but more importantly authenticity.


Huh?? (Scratching my head...)

If the instrument with the Squier name are made by Squier and Squier is owned by Fender...how exactly can they be anything less than authentic? I'm sorry but if it looks like dog crap and it smells like dog crap, there's a pretty safe chance that it's not a piece of pumpkin pie.

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With a mexican strat yeah the parts are also considerably cheaper,but it still manages to capture some of same characteristics as an american standard sound and feel wise although obviously not to the same degree or quite as high of caliber.


Ok...I gotta debate that comment about MIM's before anything else there. Alrighty, I will admit that the bridge blocks on the older MIM's are somewhat lacking as are the pickups. Again, by todays prices we -are- talking about a $500 instrument versus a $1000 instrument...please make sure you're comparing apples to apples here. That said with most of the MIM's I've ever played slap some decent pickups in there and a decent trem block and you have a VERY good instrument. Is the American going to have better attention to "detail" (such as those hand rolled fretboards), yea...a little. But, in my always and ever so humble opinion at least, it's not that big of a difference at all. The MIM's use the same bridge saddles and such that vintage Strats have used for years, the hardware such as the tuners is excellent and the over-all workmanship of the instrument is very good. Again I own 2 MIM's myself I'm not exactly sure how you can say the "parts are considerably cheaper"...I honestly have to wonder exactly what "parts" it is you're looking at because I really don't see too many "cheap" parts on either of my MIM"s...

Now with that I would also have to say that I've played a couple of the newer MIM's and they are quite impressive guitars. While the trem blocks are apparently still a zinc alloy, at least their full size now (and still very easy to upgrade!) and I actually think the pickups of the new MIM's sound better than the new Americans! To my ears those new MIM's just have a much more "vintage" like sound to them than the MIA's do.

That said, to reiterate what Grunger asked there...exactly which model Squiers were you comparing the MIM's too? Again...apples to apples. If you were comparing a $120 Bullet to a $500 MIM Standard, then yes...there's certainly going to be a drastic difference. If on the other hand we're talking about a Standard or a CV, I would expect the quality to in fact be quite similar. If anything many of the CV's are quite nicer than the MIM's by direct comparison and with some work could be compatible to some of the MIA's.

I'm honestly not trying to be rude here and I'm not trying to start an argument but to me this all sounds like a really broad generalization that I know a great many of us here realize simply isn't true. The quality of -any- guitar is really subject to the person playing it. If you walk into a music store with the preconception that MIA are "the best" and that those imports are "crap", it doesn't really matter how good or bad any of those given instruments actually are...you've already made up your mind about them.

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fender logo on it is the only thing that makes it appealing in my view...lol.


Well this too seems to indicate a certain degree of bias or preconception. Let's say that a company outside of Fender/Squier made some Strats...let's say a high quality company such as Paul Reed Smith. For comparison's sake, let's say that these are in fact top top top of the line instruments (as most PRS's tend to be). By your apparent logic here, to you this wouldn't be a guitar worth playing...I'm sure that you'd find something wrong with it because it's not a "Fender"....it's not even a "real" Strat after all. To me though this is all nothing but silly semantics...I'm a guitar player and I'm a guitar player who happens to prefer "Strats"...Fender, Squier or anyone else...even assembled by my own two little hands...doesn't matter...I just like a good Strat.

This is, as always, just my own personal opinion but I think you're putting way too much in "a name" and not really paying attention to the instruments themselves. Seriously...if you want a $1000 guitar that plays like a $1000...then buy yourself a $1000! Otherwise when you're going to make generalizations such as "Squiers are a poor man's Strat", let's make sure we keep -everything- in perspective for the sake of others who may not be as knowledgeable. Some of us own some very nice Squiers and are -very- happy with them :-).

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i love my Squiers. and they sound good. nuff said.


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My Strat is "el jefe". It is "the boss". It sounds and plays great and if you don't like Squiers you don't have to come and complain in here about it.

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So not true man, squier's are just cheaper version's of fenders basically. My bulletstrat, it stays in tune and never goes out, and you can get some really good tone by switching the pickups plus the tone control. What are you talking about man?

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i have a squier in the mail on the way right now, so when it gets here i will be able to voice my opinion on how the squier stands up to my american and mexican fenders :wink:


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Posted: Fri May 28, 2010 7:43 pm
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i'm sorry,but i think the squier guitar is not only a poorman's version of a strat,but a "broke man's version"I love the mexican standard models,but it seems like the squier just goes out of tune too much and is almost impossible to tweak a good authentic tone out of it.I tried giving these guitars the benefit of the doubt,but now i know that there really IS a difference between the quiality of american made vs far east made.

You should be sorry.

That is a pretty close-minded, elitist, ignorant and broad statement....kind of
troll'ish to boot. :roll:
They weren't just made in the "far east". You should maybe look into that one.
Stick to the Lounge or better yet, go to the Gibson Forum.

Or go back and do some more field testing .


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I've got an squire affinity strat and it stays in tune just fine I think that they're right about the different models different issues so to speak. :roll:


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euphoria480 wrote:
i'm sorry,but i think the squier guitar is not only a poorman's version of a strat,but a "broke man's version"I love the mexican standard models,but it seems like the squier just goes out of tune too much and is almost impossible to tweak a good authentic tone out of it.I tried giving these guitars the benefit of the doubt,but now i know that there really IS a difference between the quiality of american made vs far east made.

You should be sorry.

That is a pretty close-minded, elitist, ignorant and broad statement....kind of
troll'ish to boot. :roll:
They weren't just made in the "far east". You should maybe look into that one.
Stick to the Lounge or better yet, go to the Gibson Forum.

Or go back and do some more field testing .


-JMHO, and that of many others here in the forum.


Amen!
My Squier is my baby and I totally agree with you it's just rude to base your opinion of an entire brand guitar on a single model. :lol:


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To the person who started this thread ... I have just two words for you, Classic Vibe.

Oh wait, they say Squier on the headstock. My bad, they must be junk. :roll:

I have a CV60s, and before I bought it I played dozens of Mexis. The CV put them all to shame. Fit, finish, tuning stability, and oh yes, TONE, the CV was superior in every way.
I wont compare it to a USA model, because thats just not apples to apples. However, if you feel the need to spend four times more for a guitar just because it is a bit higher quality and had a "Fender" decal on it .... what can I say ... its your money.


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Wow!

A lot of good reading by some very knowledgeable people.

I got here by trying to find out some info on my Squier. I sincerely hope I didnt offend anyone by my post.

http://www.fender.com/community/forums/ ... hp?t=40890

It'd been mega years since I'd picked up a guitar and wished I'd have tried playing it before I bought it. I mean, it's a Fender with an amp & gig bag. How could I go wrong for $200? After I got home and played it, all I could remember is how much better the neck felt on my old Jaguar.


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