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Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 7:04 pm
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what model are you comparing this too...quality within squiers vary's durastically depending on the model, take for instance the bullet strat and the classic vibe series strat, there is a huge difference in quality between those two models....


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I've been in stores where the Classic vibes play more nicely than the MIA's, and other stores where the MIA's came out on top.

Overall the MIA's tend to outrank the Squiers, but there are exceptions.

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I have a Squier Bullet (single humbucker only) that my grandma got me for my birthday last year and I thought it played pretty good before the strings took a crap on me so I need to change them... but I'm gonna mod and use it with the state of mind that I don't need to worry about beating the snot out of it (unlike my AS-73) because it's one of my what I call "rocker" guitars (my other being an Epi LP Jr with EMG 85) that I use for punk, metal, pop-punk, etc


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Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 8:50 pm
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man's version of a strat,but a "broke man's version"I love the mexican standard models,but it seems like the squier just goes out of tune too much and is almost impossible to tweak a good authentic tone out of it.I tried giving these guitars the benefit of the doubt,but now i know that there really IS a difference between the quiality of american made vs far east made.


Not to burst your bubble or anything but any Strat that's not MIA is a "broke man's version" I should know! I'm a broke man. But I've owned a few MIA's and some damn fine far east made. I don't miss any of the mia's but I do miss some of the others.


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man's version of a strat,but a "broke man's version"I love the mexican standard models,but it seems like the squier just goes out of tune too much and is almost impossible to tweak a good authentic tone out of it.I tried giving these guitars the benefit of the doubt,but now i know that there really IS a difference between the quiality of american made vs far east made.


Not to burst your bubble or anything but any Strat that's not MIA is a "broke man's version" I should know! I'm a broke man. But I've owned a few MIA's and some damn fine far east made. I don't miss any of the mia's but I do miss some of the others.


Price range wise i would say definitely.Especially with the asian made models-however with those,they tend to have a big dip not only in price range,but more importantly authenticity.With a mexican strat yeah the parts are also considerably cheaper,but it still manages to capture some of same characteristics as an american standard sound and feel wise although obviously not to the same degree or quite as high of caliber.It's just from experience that i've had(really bad ones)that i've come to the conclusion that the squier(and i've tried many of them)is not nearly as good of an axe despite being made by fender.In fact the fender logo on it is the only thing that makes it appealing in my view...lol.


All I can say is to each their own. I have three Strats. 2 Fender MIA's and a Squier CV 60. I like the CV 60, it gets played just as much as my other guitars. I have to tune it as often as I have to tune my other guitars, which is not much. And just so you know, I chose a CV 60 over a Fender MIM Standard. Honestly I could not see spending $420 (back then)for a Fender Standard when the Squier CV 60 is built just as good and sounds better (in my opinion) and cost $120 less. Don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with the Fender Standards, just the CV 60 was a better deal.

I do believe there are differences in different Squier models just as there are differences with the different Fender models. I am just glad that FMIC makes so many different models so just about anyone can afford one.

I really get sick of name snobs, I say play what you want just as long as you play.

This is just my opinions and your opinions may differ.

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rkreisher wrote:
euphoria480 wrote:
idahored wrote:
euphoria480 wrote:
man's version of a strat,but a "broke man's version"I love the mexican standard models,but it seems like the squier just goes out of tune too much and is almost impossible to tweak a good authentic tone out of it.I tried giving these guitars the benefit of the doubt,but now i know that there really IS a difference between the quiality of american made vs far east made.


Not to burst your bubble or anything but any Strat that's not MIA is a "broke man's version" I should know! I'm a broke man. But I've owned a few MIA's and some damn fine far east made. I don't miss any of the mia's but I do miss some of the others.


Price range wise i would say definitely.Especially with the asian made models-however with those,they tend to have a big dip not only in price range,but more importantly authenticity.With a mexican strat yeah the parts are also considerably cheaper,but it still manages to capture some of same characteristics as an american standard sound and feel wise although obviously not to the same degree or quite as high of caliber.It's just from experience that i've had(really bad ones)that i've come to the conclusion that the squier(and i've tried many of them)is not nearly as good of an axe despite being made by fender.In fact the fender logo on it is the only thing that makes it appealing in my view...lol.




I do believe there are differences in different Squier models just as there are differences with the different Fender models. I am just glad that FMIC makes so many different models so just about anyone can afford one.

I really get sick of name snobs, I say play what you want just as long as you play.


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idahored wrote:
rkreisher wrote:
euphoria480 wrote:
idahored wrote:
euphoria480 wrote:
man's version of a strat,but a "broke man's version"I love the mexican standard models,but it seems like the squier just goes out of tune too much and is almost impossible to tweak a good authentic tone out of it.I tried giving these guitars the benefit of the doubt,but now i know that there really IS a difference between the quiality of american made vs far east made.


Not to burst your bubble or anything but any Strat that's not MIA is a "broke man's version" I should know! I'm a broke man. But I've owned a few MIA's and some damn fine far east made. I don't miss any of the mia's but I do miss some of the others.


Price range wise i would say definitely.Especially with the asian made models-however with those,they tend to have a big dip not only in price range,but more importantly authenticity.With a mexican strat yeah the parts are also considerably cheaper,but it still manages to capture some of same characteristics as an american standard sound and feel wise although obviously not to the same degree or quite as high of caliber.It's just from experience that i've had(really bad ones)that i've come to the conclusion that the squier(and i've tried many of them)is not nearly as good of an axe despite being made by fender.In fact the fender logo on it is the only thing that makes it appealing in my view...lol.




I do believe there are differences in different Squier models just as there are differences with the different Fender models. I am just glad that FMIC makes so many different models so just about anyone can afford one.

I really get sick of name snobs, I say play what you want just as long as you play.


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My point Exactly :!:


Couldn't agree more...down with headstock name snobs!

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I have the new CV thinline made in China tele. Though I must admit that the MIA tele's are nice the MIM standard tele is not has well finished has my guitar. Everything on the mim felt cheaper then the squier. Go to your nearest store and check out the CV squiers compared to the mim standards and you will be pleasantly surprised. The CV line has some good quality instruments. For $300 less then the mim tele I was easily sold on the Squier cya Mess


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I have 2 squiers 1 is a squier bullet series strat made in korea. The other 1 is a squire 2 strat made in korea I changed out the pick-ups done the setup work and they both play great. Just as good as my 65 les-paul. If you have 1 that goes out of tune all the time then put a good set of strings on it. Any guitar with bad strings will not stay in tune. It don't matter were there made bad strings are bad strings.


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Wow, I'm stunned. I've gone for stretches where I have played my Squire every day for like 2 weeks without ANY noticeable loss of tune. My only complaint is how much idle noise it tends to make.

What you tend to encounter with Squires is not so much low quality as much as inconsistent quality. I've had people with guitars worth far more than mine compliment the heck out of it.


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I'm probably putting way too much time into what is most likely nothing but a flame bait post by someone who just wants to stir up trouble but...

Most guitar tuning problems can be solved by learning how to properly string your guitar. I had tuning problems with every one of my guitars from my Squier to my Gibson Les Paul until my guitar tech showed me how to correctly put on a string. Most modern tuning machines are better quality than the best of what they had 50 years ago. You should have no problem with them.

My main guitar is my 2000 Indonesian Squier Affinity Strat which I bought used from a store where it was an old rental. It was my first guitar, and I just haven't been able to put it down. It has the best feeling neck of any of my guitars (which include a Gibson Les Paul and a MIM Fender Strat). I wish the bridge was higher quality, or that I could replace it with a Fender bridge and trem block, but that's my only complaint. I replaced the pickups a year ago with Texas Specials (which cost twice as much as I paid for the guitar), although to be completely honest the stock pickups weren't too bad. The Texas Specials did help the tone tremendously, but they'd help the tone of any guitar tremendously.

My rig consists of a gear snob's nightmare. I play my Affinity Strat through an off brand overdrive and a Mexican Fender tube amp with digital reverb.
And this is what my tone sounds like, http://www.purevolume.com/texasguitarslinger. I have the second lead on the first song.

I think I'd sound just the same with an American Strat through a TS-808 and an American Vintage Reissue Fender amp. Am I broke? Actually yes, but even if I had the money to totally update my rig I think I'd still be coming back to my Squier.

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I nearly forgot to mention that Jeff Healey played a Squier Strat with nothing modified except the pickups. And he really could afford any other Strat if he wanted.

If you've never heard of Jeff Healey he's this guy here, holding his own with SRV. (Poor quality audio and video, solo starts at 1:19.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqU9RZqvFKY

And here's a better quality video of Jeff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoBHag7ykh4

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One of my posts from an earlier "Squiers are for beginners" topic:

For some reason certain people have the tendency to be "label whores". They bad-mouth anything that isn't in their idea of a "quality price range". Just because something is expensive doesn't mean it's any better. I played a $3,500 Gibson Explorer recently. You know what? It buzzed like crazy. A guitar that costs over $3000, and it buzzed. I paid $180 for my Affinity Strat, and my friend admits it sounds better than his G-400. I have played in jazz bands for 3 years, used the Squier live, it sounds great. Just because some people insist that price=quality doesn't mean they're right.

Why don't you have a look at this...

http://www.fender.com/community/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3267&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

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I think Squiers are good guitars... I have two and have used one on an early recording from my first band that's too embarrassing to post... best sounding guitar on the recording (of course my friend was using my AS73 and he didn't mess around with the tone knobs or amp settings back then so it sounded a little dry and thin) and I ran it through my Line 6 Spider III 15W amp (which another friend still has)


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Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 6:38 pm
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nicholsoni wrote:
idahored wrote:
rkreisher wrote:
euphoria480 wrote:
idahored wrote:
euphoria480 wrote:
man's version of a strat,but a "broke man's version"I love the mexican standard models,but it seems like the squier just goes out of tune too much and is almost impossible to tweak a good authentic tone out of it.I tried giving these guitars the benefit of the doubt,but now i know that there really IS a difference between the quiality of american made vs far east made.


Not to burst your bubble or anything but any Strat that's not MIA is a "broke man's version" I should know! I'm a broke man. But I've owned a few MIA's and some damn fine far east made. I don't miss any of the mia's but I do miss some of the others.


Price range wise i would say definitely.Especially with the asian made models-however with those,they tend to have a big dip not only in price range,but more importantly authenticity.With a mexican strat yeah the parts are also considerably cheaper,but it still manages to capture some of same characteristics as an american standard sound and feel wise although obviously not to the same degree or quite as high of caliber.It's just from experience that i've had(really bad ones)that i've come to the conclusion that the squier(and i've tried many of them)is not nearly as good of an axe despite being made by fender.In fact the fender logo on it is the only thing that makes it appealing in my view...lol.




I do believe there are differences in different Squier models just as there are differences with the different Fender models. I am just glad that FMIC makes so many different models so just about anyone can afford one.

I really get sick of name snobs, I say play what you want just as long as you play.


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My point Exactly :!:


Couldn't agree more...down with headstock name snobs!
Ya me too.


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