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Post subject: Tuners for a Affinty Strat.
Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 1:25 pm
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Wich (Fender) tuners would also fit my 1996 affinity Stratocaster, because the originals are detuning all the time, does fender standard tuners fit, without ruining the headstock.


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Standard Tuners (set of 6) 007-3867-000
That's the part number from Affinity Strat Service.pdf

If you're looking for an "upgrade" for tuners, the American Fender parts don't work without drilling new screw holes. I think the american tuners are also made for a smaller bore on the headstock so you would have to get new bushings for them as well. MIM parts probably will work but again I wouldn't be surprised if you had to drill new holes.

The pic below is my affinity Strat with guitarfetish tuners I had to run the conversion bushings they offer too.
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I don't know if this is an issue with other Squiers as well but if you look closely, the tuner holes are spaced slightly further apart than its MIM or MIA counterparts.
-John


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Post subject: Re: Tuners for a Affinty Strat.
Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 9:18 pm
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fenderastic wrote:
Wich (Fender) tuners would also fit my 1996 affinity Stratocaster, because the originals are detuning all the time, does fender standard tuners fit, without ruining the headstock.


I'm not going to comment on replacement tuners...I think that JL pretty much covered it there. My question is are you -sure- the original tuners are actually "detuning"? Most tuning issues with Strats...Squier, MIM and even MIA's, are usually due to setup issues and not the tuning keys. It's not unheard of for a tuner to go bad occasionally but your post suggests this is a tuning stability issue and just a problem with a single tuner. With a Strat and especially if you have your bridge "floating", a proper setup is an absolute must...even on a brand new guitar. Please remember that issues with the bridge and even neck issues will also cause serious tuning problems (I've even seen a few where the necks were actually a little loose...tighten the neck, setup the guitar, no more tuning problems).

I would also ask about your "playing habits" as well. If for example your trying to do crazy, sick dive bombs or something, please remember that most Strats aren't equipped with "double locking trems" and most...even a $4000 Custom Shop model...even with a really good setup, will go out a bit if you push them too hard. Honestly, all of my Strats are setup pretty well (except for the '03 MIM I just picked up...gonna work on that one next week) and yes, I can get fairly aggressive with them but if I really feel the need to do a tribute to Stevie Vai or something, I still break out my old Kramer with the locking Kahler for that kind of stuff.

Also, while I don't know where you live, here in Ohio it is "that time of year". We're going in to spring here right now and we're going from 30 degrees one day to 60 degrees the next (in fact last night it was down around 30 or so but then this afternoon it hit 59) and basically -ALL- of my guitars are being a bit wonky as far as tuning goes. Even the most expensive top shelf instruments out there are usually made out of wood and wood can often be....err...."temperamental" to extreme changes in temperature and humidity...tis simply the nature of the beast.

I'm not saying that it couldn't be the tuning keys...yea, sometimes $@!& happens. I've actually had a Gotoh go bad on me once (on that old Kramer in fact). If your absolutely sure you have a bad tuner, I'd just replace it with another Affinity tuner but since I don't really know your level of experience with these things, before you buy new tuners and/or tear up your headstock doing mods, you might want to make absolutely sure first. The tuners on Affinities (the newer models at least) really aren't that bad at all...they're pretty decent sealed tuners from what I've seen so I'd really have that setup checked by a competent tech before I did anything else.

Just a few things to consider...
Jim


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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 7:05 pm
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JLafc3s wrote:
Standard Tuners (set of 6) 007-3867-000
That's the part number from Affinity Strat Service.pdf

If you're looking for an "upgrade" for tuners, the American Fender parts don't work without drilling new screw holes. I think the american tuners are also made for a smaller bore on the headstock so you would have to get new bushings for them as well. MIM parts probably will work but again I wouldn't be surprised if you had to drill new holes.

The pic below is my affinity Strat with guitarfetish tuners I had to run the conversion bushings they offer too.
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I don't know if this is an issue with other Squiers as well but if you look closely, the tuner holes are spaced slightly further apart than its MIM or MIA counterparts.
-John


Does the guitarfetish tuners have the safty post? Can you post a picture of the front of the headstock with the guitarfetish tuners? I'm thinking of getting them for mine.


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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 8:52 pm
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They have both. The gold ones that are pictured here have solid shafts. I switched over to these http://store.guitarfetish.com/viklstnimafi.html on my last build and they have split post. I don't have any pictures of the tuners but I can shoot a few pics for you when I get back home this weekend.


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Ooh, very cool, JLafc3s. I prefer vintage tuners myself. I wanted to get them on my Squier Standard Strat a while back, but my tech didn't have anything that would fit. Did you have to do any additional drilling? I'd also be interested in any more pictures or guidance you could give. Thank you! 8)

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Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 12:10 pm
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Yes some re-drilling is necessary, depending on what style tuners are on your strat now you might be able to hide the existing holes that are in the head stock. I'm pretty sure they should fit a Squier standard without issues.

Otherwise check out the pics and let me know if you have any other questions.

Left to right: Fender Vintage Tuners, Guitar Fetish Vintage Tuners, and Guitar Fetish Vintage Tuners (Non split post)

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There is a size difference between the bushings because you need to run a 10mm bushing for import strats. The guitar fetish tuners come with standard size bushings (shown on the neck with the gold hardware) so you would need to order the larger bushings separately.


Front to back: GF, Fender, GF
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I'm pretty sure the space must have to do with it being a large headstock model on the Squier. You can see they fit nice and snug on the last neck.

GF on the left Fender on the right:
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I don't know how well it shows, but you can kind of see the line on the sides of the tuner ovals from casting (Though the gold ones didn't have that issue). It's not as well finished as the Fender goods. If they aren't plated you could always diy and re-polish it, though it doesn't bother me enough to bother trying.

They also feel a little different when stringing up. The fender pieces feel more solid and a few of the GF tuners feel as if they turn a little too easily. I've tried running 9s through 13s with them and with a proper set up they never went out of tune.

I wouldn't be surprised if these tuners are the same goods as the ones offered on stew mac or any other site that offers vintage style tuning machines and at the fraction of the price of the fender goods I think its a good buy especially if you wanted a set to try to age or what not.


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