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Would you ever record with a squier
Yes 78%  78%  [ 28 ]
No 8%  8%  [ 3 ]
If I replaced some parts 8%  8%  [ 3 ]
If I had to 6%  6%  [ 2 ]
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Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2009 8:35 pm
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but i truly feel that squier guitars are great they just need some fixing up for the most part i currently have a squire affinity and i lowered the action and raised the pickups a little and i have that thing sounding like my Fender American standard strat. i have zero clue why squier gets such a bad rep i've even recorded with this guitar so that says something


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Speaking for myself, I prefer a sturdier, harder wooded instrument where 'upgrades' are totally by choice and not totally by necessity. Obviously, YMMV.

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i wasn't saying physical upgrades are necessary just a few adjustments truss rod action things like that everything on my squier is stock and it sounds GREAT but i do agree i really do wish that they would use better woods


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I absolutely do plan on it soon. We'll be recording a full length CD at the end of Jan. I'm perfectly confident that my Squiers will do just fine. Zeke is a beast!!

One thing I have to say about the stock pickups that came with my mystery Squier. Every now and then you run across a good set of ceramic pickups, and they just sound nice. Can't wait to record with them.

I'll be using both Stagemasters, my CV '60s, and Zeke.

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I've recorded with mine it's a bad recording it got really messed up in editing but my solo still sounds good ALL SQUIER http://www.myspace.com/d3nydmusic


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I am completely confident that my Squier can compete with Fender.
As a matter of fact, I think you could tell no difference between the two if you were blindfolded.

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Yes I would record with my CV 60 Squier any day of the week. Just like it is, only change to it is the pickguard and pickup covers. Awesome guitar.

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Here again I think is a loaded question.

Some argue a brand name shouldn't matter. Again I don't think it really matters. Weather you believe a name is a status symbol or not. If you like it who cares.
I have modified a few Squiers, and I have some factory models I won't mod.
Some sounds I am looking for while recording or giging I don't always find with the top end models I have. It's relative.
And what series of Squier are we looking at? MIJ, MIA etc...?? Should it matter!?!?!
I have a few Vista Series, and some that are pretty high quality without being modified. I have a newer Vintage Vibe Duo Sonic which I record with all the time. I think it really is pretty opened ended.
Just my humble opinion. :lol:


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Who cares what the guitar is. If it sounds good then rock n roll!! :evil: :evil: :evil:


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Bhaok wrote:
Who cares what the guitar is. If it sounds good then rock n roll!! :evil: :evil: :evil:


I agree 100%

Brand names don't matter. What matters is does it sound good.
And my Squiers sound great.


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Martian wrote:
Speaking for myself, I prefer a sturdier, harder wooded instrument where 'upgrades' are totally by choice and not totally by necessity. Obviously, YMMV.

Incidentally, welcome!


You get what you pay for. I think they are remarkable for the price, particularity the award winning Fret-less Jazz Bass :!:

I wish when I started to play that instruments of the Squier's quality where available.


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I judge a guitar by the sound and feel not by the name on it. I would record with my CV Strat and not think twice. Great tone.

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Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 11:44 am
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d3nyd94 wrote:
i have zero clue why squier gets such a bad rep...



These are, as always, just my humble and subjective opinions however, part of the reason that many people view Squiers as being "inferior" is simply due to price. I can't speak for the whole world here but here in the US of A there is this horribly whacked preconception that if something is "expensive" it must be good and is certainly better than something that is "inexpensive", leading to the adage "you get what you pay for". The truth of the matter however is that's not always true.

As I'm also a photographer trying to start my own business, I'm going to give you a photography analogy here. As a person who's often struggled just to "make ends meet", when I started my own little photography business I decided that I wanted to provide quality work but still be affordable. I'm not really that greedy...if I'm making even $25 an hour as a photographer, that's -WAY- better than making $8 an hour as a line cook! LOL!!! The problem here is that I've had people NOT hire me for a gig simply because I'm not charging $250 an hour or more...in their minds they think that if I were really that good, I'd be charging more for my services...it has absolutely NOTHING to do with my skills as a photographer. If I'm affordable...well...I must suck otherwise I'd be charging more. Obviously it's a really large crock of horse crap!

This type of archaic, narrow-sighted mentality certainly applies to how people feel about brand names as well. Let's look at motorcycles for a moment...look at how many people really think "things are different on a Harley-Davidson". It really has nothing to do with the quality of the competition such as Yamaha or Honda or other brands, it's simply a pathetic misconception that because Harley's are more expensive and are "made in America" that somehow they must be better.

I would also toss in here the idea that because some people can "afford the best" and/or won't settle for less, they feel the need to bad mouth lesser brands/products. Think of it this way...a person who goes out and blows between $2500 and $4000 on something like a Les Paul, such a person is likely to believe that even a $1000 Fender Stratocaster is somehow "inferior". It has NOTHING to do with the quality of the instrument or craftsmanship/workmanship, it's simply the person rationalizing why they spent more money!

A very good portion of this really comes down to that whole "Western mentality" thing. In recent generations we've been taught that we not only need to "keep up with the Jones'," we really just need to crush those bastards out of existence! Hey, bigger is always better, right? If your best friend has a 27" TV don't you want a 32" flat panel and if your friend has a 32" flat panel don't you really need to get a 40 or 50 inch instead? If your bud has a really loud stereo in his car, don't you need a bigger kicker box so you can rub his nose in it? And this doesn't even take things such as nationalistic pride in to account! At one time in this country the words "made in America" really did mean something and because of that, many people find it VERY difficult to acknowledge that the world has changed...and will continue to change. For example, even though the factories in the US and Mexico may use virtually the same equipment to manufacture a given product to the exact same specs, many people still feel that the American made product must some how be superior and thus warrants that higher price tag. It's all poo-poo of course but try telling a gear snob that!

As long as I'm ranting here I also feel the need to mention that a lot of people also have a tendency to take things way out of context as well. Is a $100 Squier Bullet going to be as good of an instrument as a $1000 American Standard Strat? No...of course not. Yes, there -is- a difference...that should go without saying. For some reason however some people like to compare apples to brussel sprouts when it comes to guitars. A hundred dollar Squire Bullet "is what it is", a good, if not great, entry level instrument. The problem is that because that Bullet is of lesser quality than a $1000 instrument...well...all Squiers must be junk...and again it's a load of horse crap! Also, yes...there have been a few instruments over the years with the Squier name that are of pretty poor quality where as most American made Strats are almost always decent instruments. The problem is that American made Fender products haven't always been all that great either...sorry folks but I remember when -NO ONE- wanted CBS era Fender products because of the companies really bad reputation in regards to quality!!! In other words, give a dog a bad name and you can usually hang him with it!

I also feel the need to point out that a great many folks do like to blow wind without having ANY clue what they are talking about. For example someone will simply hear from a friend (or read on a forum) that "Squiers are junk" and they'll often repeat it without any personal experience at all. Hey...they can afford $1000 plus for an American Standard and their American pride tells them that's the only way to do so why should they even bother lowering their standards to even try something else, right? Going to use a car analogy this time...let's say a person has driven Lincolns or Cadillacs (or perhaps even Porcshes or Mercedes') their entire life because they can afford it...what's the point of driving something as sadly pathetic as a Pinto or a Chevette...even if it does get better gas mileage? Why would one lower one's standards if you can afford better? The problem is that they simply can't acknowledge that some of us are simply happy with a car that will get us from point A to point B in a reliable mannor...and if the car has a decent heater, so much the better! LOL!!!

Very simply, most people really don't apply any common sense to these types of issues at all...another old adage clearly states that "common sense isn't really all that common". It's a very sad thing but as a general rule, people like "stereotypes". They like to lump everything in to broad generalizations...probably so they don't really have to think about things too much (it's been my experience that most folks really HATE having to think for themselves!).

Anyways, now that I've gone way off on a tangent, to address the OP's original question, yes - I would certainly use a Squier in the studio on a recording. The thing to remember about recording...good recording at least, is that once the engineer get's through "tinkering" with the sound to make it fit in the recording with all of the other elements of that recording, it's probably not going to sound anything like it did "live" anyways. Recording is a -VERY- different animal than playing live...let alone playing by yourself in your bedroom/basement, so the single greatest issue is really to simply use a guitar that you're comfortable with that's going to allow you to give the best performance possible...and if that happens to be a Squier, then that's what you use :-).

Peace,
Jim


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Lomitus,

You said it perfectly.
I couldn't have said it any better.
Plus some great comparatives.

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Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 9:42 pm
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lomitus wrote:
d3nyd94 wrote:
i have zero clue why squier gets such a bad rep...



These are, as always, just my humble and subjective opinions however, part of the reason that many people view Squiers as being "inferior" is simply due to price. I can't speak for the whole world here but here in the US of A there is this horribly whacked preconception that if something is "expensive" it must be good and is certainly better than something that is "inexpensive", leading to the adage "you get what you pay for". The truth of the matter however is that's not always true.

As I'm also a photographer trying to start my own business, I'm going to give you a photography analogy here. As a person who's often struggled just to "make ends meet", when I started my own little photography business I decided that I wanted to provide quality work but still be affordable. I'm not really that greedy...if I'm making even $25 an hour as a photographer, that's -WAY- better than making $8 an hour as a line cook! LOL!!! The problem here is that I've had people NOT hire me for a gig simply because I'm not charging $250 an hour or more...in their minds they think that if I were really that good, I'd be charging more for my services...it has absolutely NOTHING to do with my skills as a photographer. If I'm affordable...well...I must suck otherwise I'd be charging more. Obviously it's a really large crock of horse crap!

This type of archaic, narrow-sighted mentality certainly applies to how people feel about brand names as well. Let's look at motorcycles for a moment...look at how many people really think "things are different on a Harley-Davidson". It really has nothing to do with the quality of the competition such as Yamaha or Honda or other brands, it's simply a pathetic misconception that because Harley's are more expensive and are "made in America" that somehow they must be better.

I would also toss in here the idea that because some people can "afford the best" and/or won't settle for less, they feel the need to bad mouth lesser brands/products. Think of it this way...a person who goes out and blows between $2500 and $4000 on something like a Les Paul, such a person is likely to believe that even a $1000 Fender Stratocaster is somehow "inferior". It has NOTHING to do with the quality of the instrument or craftsmanship/workmanship, it's simply the person rationalizing why they spent more money!

A very good portion of this really comes down to that whole "Western mentality" thing. In recent generations we've been taught that we not only need to "keep up with the Jones'," we really just need to crush those bastards out of existence! Hey, bigger is always better, right? If your best friend has a 27" TV don't you want a 32" flat panel and if your friend has a 32" flat panel don't you really need to get a 40 or 50 inch instead? If your bud has a really loud stereo in his car, don't you need a bigger kicker box so you can rub his nose in it? And this doesn't even take things such as nationalistic pride in to account! At one time in this country the words "made in America" really did mean something and because of that, many people find it VERY difficult to acknowledge that the world has changed...and will continue to change. For example, even though the factories in the US and Mexico may use virtually the same equipment to manufacture a given product to the exact same specs, many people still feel that the American made product must some how be superior and thus warrants that higher price tag. It's all poo-poo of course but try telling a gear snob that!

As long as I'm ranting here I also feel the need to mention that a lot of people also have a tendency to take things way out of context as well. Is a $100 Squier Bullet going to be as good of an instrument as a $1000 American Standard Strat? No...of course not. Yes, there -is- a difference...that should go without saying. For some reason however some people like to compare apples to brussel sprouts when it comes to guitars. A hundred dollar Squire Bullet "is what it is", a good, if not great, entry level instrument. The problem is that because that Bullet is of lesser quality than a $1000 instrument...well...all Squiers must be junk...and again it's a load of horse crap! Also, yes...there have been a few instruments over the years with the Squier name that are of pretty poor quality where as most American made Strats are almost always decent instruments. The problem is that American made Fender products haven't always been all that great either...sorry folks but I remember when -NO ONE- wanted CBS era Fender products because of the companies really bad reputation in regards to quality!!! In other words, give a dog a bad name and you can usually hang him with it!

I also feel the need to point out that a great many folks do like to blow wind without having ANY clue what they are talking about. For example someone will simply hear from a friend (or read on a forum) that "Squiers are junk" and they'll often repeat it without any personal experience at all. Hey...they can afford $1000 plus for an American Standard and their American pride tells them that's the only way to do so why should they even bother lowering their standards to even try something else, right? Going to use a car analogy this time...let's say a person has driven Lincolns or Cadillacs (or perhaps even Porcshes or Mercedes') their entire life because they can afford it...what's the point of driving something as sadly pathetic as a Pinto or a Chevette...even if it does get better gas mileage? Why would one lower one's standards if you can afford better? The problem is that they simply can't acknowledge that some of us are simply happy with a car that will get us from point A to point B in a reliable mannor...and if the car has a decent heater, so much the better! LOL!!!

Very simply, most people really don't apply any common sense to these types of issues at all...another old adage clearly states that "common sense isn't really all that common". It's a very sad thing but as a general rule, people like "stereotypes". They like to lump everything in to broad generalizations...probably so they don't really have to think about things too much (it's been my experience that most folks really HATE having to think for themselves!).

Anyways, now that I've gone way off on a tangent, to address the OP's original question, yes - I would certainly use a Squier in the studio on a recording. The thing to remember about recording...good recording at least, is that once the engineer get's through "tinkering" with the sound to make it fit in the recording with all of the other elements of that recording, it's probably not going to sound anything like it did "live" anyways. Recording is a -VERY- different animal than playing live...let alone playing by yourself in your bedroom/basement, so the single greatest issue is really to simply use a guitar that you're comfortable with that's going to allow you to give the best performance possible...and if that happens to be a Squier, then that's what you use :-).

Peace,
Jim



A+++ response. I agree with pretty much everything you wrote. I don't think you can find someone to say that the bullet is better than an american standard, but to compare a better squier ( like my vibe 60's) and blindfold someone, or recorded with it, I would imagine that many people would be hard pressed to think the squier wasn't a quality guitar


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