It is currently Mon Mar 16, 2020 2:24 pm

All times are UTC - 7 hours



Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 15 posts ] 
Author Message
Post subject: Body thickness on Affinity starts
Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 12:33 pm
Offline
Hobbyist
Hobbyist
User avatar

Joined: Sat Mar 21, 2009 8:26 pm
Posts: 36
Location: Richmond, Kentucky
I have a black affinity series strat with the CY serial number and I just picked up a red affinity series strat with the IC serial number for a friend. The body on the red one is thicker than my black one. I was just wondering why. Also I haven't had a chance to try it out so I don't know how it sounds but I like the maple fretboard and I haven't decided about the body thickness. Does anybody know which is the better guitar and why the difference in the body thickness?


Top
Profile
Fender Play Winter Sale 2020
Post subject: Re: Body thickness on Affinity starts
Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 2:44 pm
Offline
Hobbyist
Hobbyist

Joined: Sun Feb 01, 2009 9:37 pm
Posts: 70
stratotelefan wrote:
I have a black affinity series strat with the CY serial number and I just picked up a red affinity series strat with the IC serial number for a friend. The body on the red one is thicker than my black one. I was just wondering why. Also I haven't had a chance to try it out so I don't know how it sounds but I like the maple fretboard and I haven't decided about the body thickness. Does anybody know which is the better guitar and why the difference in the body thickness?


Can't speak to new Affinities but I have a '97 that has a full-thickness (1.75") body and is almost as heavy as any Strat I've picked up, but a few ounces lighter because of the larger PU cavities and the lighter trem block. Better? If it sounds better to you then it's better. If not then it's not, but that's just you. The resonance will be different, for sure.


Top
Profile
Post subject:
Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 9:50 pm
Offline
Hobbyist
Hobbyist
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jul 12, 2009 9:28 pm
Posts: 94
Location: USM, Penang, Malaysia
newer affinity models seems to have slightly bigger and flexible pickup cavity. maybe that explains the weight differences.

_________________
If I flip the switch, I go into Killzone mode, which means these two center coils become active, and whenever I shred, I kill people instantly.


Top
Profile
Post subject:
Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 11:23 am
Offline
Roadie
Roadie
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 18, 2008 6:34 am
Posts: 208
Location: Europe
SetsunaRX wrote:
maybe that explains the weight differences.


So they are considered heavy?
i own one & i dont know it seems ok to me... :roll:


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Body thickness on Affinity starts
Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 6:32 pm
Offline
Hobbyist
Hobbyist

Joined: Wed Aug 05, 2009 12:23 am
Posts: 16
Can't speak to new Affinities but I have a '96 that has a full-thickness (1.75") body and is almost as heavy as any Strat I've picked up, but a few ounces lighter because of the larger PU cavities and the lighter trem block. Better? If it sounds better to you then it's better. If not then it's not, but that's just you. The resonance will be different, for sure.[/quote]

Just measured the body on my squire and its a 1.75 like yours

its a 50th aniversary YN6 1996 Yako Taiwanese model if I was to belive the neckplate, bought it second hand a couple of years back its heavier than other squires ive held and plays great sounds real nice.

Does yours have a "fender" watermark writing following above the pickguard starting from the bridge? to the neck? does your lower E neck pup slightly offset with the low E string line?

Doing some research on this guitar as Im about to upgrade the neck.


Last edited by phatpharm on Thu Sep 24, 2009 3:50 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Body thickness on Affinity starts
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 7:49 am
Offline
Hobbyist
Hobbyist

Joined: Sun Feb 01, 2009 9:37 pm
Posts: 70
phatpharm wrote:
Can't speak to new Affinities but I have a '97 that has a full-thickness (1.75") body and is almost as heavy as any Strat I've picked up, but a few ounces lighter because of the larger PU cavities and the lighter trem block. Better? If it sounds better to you then it's better. If not then it's not, but that's just you. The resonance will be different, for sure.


Just measured the body on my squire and its a 1.75 like yours

its a 50th aniversary YN6 1996 Yako Taiwanese model if I was to belive the neckplate, bought it second hand a couple of years back its heavier than other squires ive held and plays great sounds real nice.

Does yours have a "fender" watermark writing following above the pickguard starting from the bridge? to the neck? does your lower E neck pup slightly offset with the low E string line?

Doing some research on this guitar as Im about to upgrade the neck.[/quote]

No, I don't have a watermark but can't picture where you describe as I don't understand "above" the pickguard. Is "above" the space between the pickguard and the top edge of the guitrar as you hold it to play, or is it on the top surface of the pickguard itself? The bridge pup is slightly out of alignment with the low E but only by a nearly indescernable amount.

What really interests me is the neck that you're going to upgrade - for a while I've wanted to replace the neck with a maple/maple from the rosewood even though this one is smooth, straight and fast. I just like the look of the maple with the black body and with the light cdolor I'm going to paint the second one I have. It's very hard to identify a replacement neck from the typical sources (Warmouth, Allparts, MightyMite, etc.) that fit a Squier of this vintage. Some websites say that they "do not fit a Squier" but they never point out which ones do fit. I'm of the mind that maybe they might be referring to newer Squiers since ours (pre-2000) are more 'Fender-sized". If you (or anyone else) find a good neck that fits the pocket well please let me know. I just don't want to buy one and either have to mickey mouse it (woodworking) or keep returning them until I find one that just drops in.


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Body thickness on Affinity starts
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 4:29 pm
Offline
Hobbyist
Hobbyist

Joined: Wed Aug 05, 2009 12:23 am
Posts: 16
Well Im new to this forum but did read somewhere else that some guy did a sucessfull warmouth transplant and the spec for that neck was similar or same as a strat standard fitting the neck poket as it should, removing any more material from the body would be a problem as sustain would be compromised, so if it works for me with a 2002 22 jumbo c neck I have ordered I will post it, and its a long shot as fender would not want squires interchanging with thier big brother for half the price but I'll have a shot at it. The width of my squire neck in the pocket according to my cheesy but precise(NOT) chinese caliper measures 55mm (21/6) and a recess depth of 80mm (31/4) the height of the neck from the base of the neck pocket to the top of the 16th on the fretboard measures 24mm (.094) at worst its way off at best its close guess im about to find out.

The fender watermark I refer to is in white watermark running script beginnng at the bridge going around the top of the pickguard. The Fender TM name is written in typeface same as the squire writing on the headstock but this watermarking is hard to see from a distance but close up its clear, the "F" measures 35mm (13/7) in height so its not hidden dont know if this was a special model or what or could be the orginal shop sticker but it doesnt have the fade of were an old sticker was, its a work in progress anyone who has a strat neck that wants to post the specs is welcome


Last edited by phatpharm on Mon Aug 31, 2009 8:43 pm, edited 4 times in total.

Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Body thickness on Affinity starts
Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 6:40 am
Offline
Hobbyist
Hobbyist

Joined: Sun Feb 01, 2009 9:37 pm
Posts: 70
Well Im new to this forum but did read somewhere else that some guy did a sucessfull warmouth transplant and the spec for that neck was similar or same as a strat standard fitting the neck poket as it should, removing any more material from the body would be a problem as sustain would be compromised, so if it works for me with a 2002 22 jumbo c neck I have ordered I will post it, and its a long shot as fender would not want squires interchanging with thier big brother for half the price but I'll have a shot at it. The width of my squire neck in the pocket according to my cheesy but precise(NOT) chinese caliper measures 55mm (21/6) and a recess depth of 80mm (31/4) the height of the neck from the base of the neck pocket to the top of the 16th on the fretboard measures 24mm (.094) at worst its way off at best its close guess im about to find out.

The fender watermark I refer to is in white watermark running script beginnng at the bridge going around the top of the pickguard. The Fender TM name is written in typeface same as the squire writing on the headstock but this watermarking is hard to see from a distance but close up its clear, the "F" measures 35mm (13/7) in height so its not hidden dont know if this was a special model or what or could be the orginal shop sticker but it doesnt have the fade of were an old sticker was, its a work in progress anyone who has a strat neck that wants to post the specs is welcom[/quote]

Thanks for the details - I checked both pickguards for watermarks and there's nothing there. Is the pickguard an 8-hole model or could it be a replacement for the original? If it was replaced it's likely that the new one has the mark (to validate the Fender brand). I'll look forward to reading about your neck replacement experience. Good luck, have fun.


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Body thickness on Affinity starts
Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 8:19 pm
Offline
Hobbyist
Hobbyist

Joined: Wed Aug 05, 2009 12:23 am
Posts: 16
Sorry I'm confusing you with the description, the logo runs ON THE BODY around the pickguard starting at the bridge, it could be unique to the 96 affinitys as they were 50th aniversarys that year.

Yeah its got the 8 hole pickguard.

The replacement neck has arrived, however the ebay ordered brand new geniune vintage gotoh tuners dont match as the bushings are slightly too thin.. hmm hmm!

The good news is this 60's 2002 MIA 22 fret maple/rosewood contour neck specs appear to be very close if not a perfect fit, both necks measure 54mm at the top of the pocket and the 60's headstock are almost identical too but I Will know for sure when I have a crack at it after Ive worked out the correct bushing widths, the affinity tuners bushings look thicker maybe they will work? if it does another Fender Sortacaster will be born! sorry fender but you left me no choice but to experiment


Top
Profile
Post subject:
Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 9:41 pm
Offline
Hobbyist
Hobbyist

Joined: Wed Aug 05, 2009 12:23 am
Posts: 16
Her it is pre the operation, will the paitent .. .. Live or DIE!
note the white stain between the neck PU is where the 50th aniversary sticker used to be.

Look a littler harder and you will see the fender logo running around the pick the "F" logo is visible but faint in the photo but is clear up close

If I pull this off it may encourage others to try too, I'll assume the position as the Master Swami Guru Dude" and we shall be known as the Fender Sortacasters.

We will setup a comfortable commune and studio with adjoining brewery in the hill country somewhere complete with BMX Skate facilities run by lavish long haired blonde handmaidens.

however entry to the promiseland will come at a price and places will be strictly limited call "1800 I wanna join" and have your credit card details ready!

dickheads need not apply!

Image[/img]


Top
Profile
Post subject:
Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 9:59 pm
Offline
Hobbyist
Hobbyist

Joined: Wed Aug 05, 2009 12:23 am
Posts: 16
Ok its on and it fits real nice however thier is a slight space between the base edges of the neckpocket It apears to solidly butt up in the middle as I can only view it from the side but it does which means the routing is slightly different but for the purpose its a fit.

The tuners I bought are Fender MIJ Gotoh vintage and lo and behold the bushings are too small because modern tunerpeg holes are wider, no worries bought a conversion bushing kit from ebay of 20 bucks landed US. bummer is its a five day wait from the usa to Australia.

Ok heres the tech specs

Fender MIJ Gotoh's pegs are Metric 6mm (1/4in)

2002 modern c shape MIA Fender neck pegholes are drilled Imperial .39in (10mm)

To fit these metric vintage tuners on american necks and win you must buy 10.5mm conversion bushing to address the abovementioned inside and outside competing measurements. will report in again when the CB's arrive

Should have just bought Amercan tuners eh! and if you try this then i recommend you go american but for full vinatge and custom approach buy these and be carfull in the fit process


Last edited by phatpharm on Thu Sep 24, 2009 3:48 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Body thickness on Affinity starts
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 2:35 am
Offline
Hobbyist
Hobbyist

Joined: Wed Aug 05, 2009 12:23 am
Posts: 16
Just a couple of things to say ... .. it works .. it intonates .. action is back and it sounds more solid and fuller than before.
I'm very happy with it.. Yako squires can interchange so long as your using a same spec modern c 241mm 22 fret MIA maple rosewood neck.
However I was presented with some challenges!!! because I went for Fender MIJ gotoh Vintage tuners to individulise my strat
1) these tuners I purchased were Metric and the MIA tuner holes are Imperial, No worries just buy 10.5mm conversion bushings with 1/4 insides,
2) using a q tip I swiped some of mums olive oil and wiped the inside of the holes and before I press fitted the bushings gently with a block of wood, I cooled the neck by holding it in front of the air con for a few mins to cool it the heck down, do this first and you will press the conversion bushings in without splitting the neckholes.
3) then string
4) adjust bridge saddles and claws
5) intonate

:evil: ROCKOUT! :twisted:

All said and done.. ..I have given my YAKO squire a second life. :lol:
Quote:
What really interests me is the neck that you're going to upgrade - for a while I've wanted to replace the neck with a maple/maple from the rosewood even though this one is smooth, straight and fast. I just like the look of the maple with the black body and with the light cdolor I'm going to paint the second one I have. It's very hard to identify a replacement neck from the typical sources (Warmouth, Allparts, MightyMite, etc.) that fit a Squier of this vintage. Some websites say that they "do not fit a Squier" but they never point out which ones do fit. I'm of the mind that maybe they might be referring to newer Squiers since ours (pre-2000) are more 'Fender-sized". If you (or anyone else) find a good neck that fits the pocket well please let me know. I just don't want to buy one and either have to mickey mouse it (woodworking) or keep returning them until I find one that just drops in.


Last edited by phatpharm on Mon Sep 28, 2009 5:50 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Top
Profile
Post subject:
Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 5:13 am
Offline
Hobbyist
Hobbyist

Joined: Sun Sep 20, 2009 4:54 am
Posts: 5
This might seem bizarre but I got a black Affinity recently and would have sworn it was thinner than every other strat I've ever owned or played. Looking at it side by side with an old cream Squier I sold to a friend it seemed obvious the black one was thinner.

Then I measured it and oddly, they're both the same thickness.

I can't explain it, a very weird optical illusion! :oops:


Top
Profile
Post subject:
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 3:43 pm
Offline
Hobbyist
Hobbyist

Joined: Wed Aug 05, 2009 12:23 am
Posts: 16
Diocletian wrote:
This might seem bizarre but I got a black Affinity recently and would have sworn it was thinner than every other strat I've ever owned or played. Looking at it side by side with an old cream Squier I sold to a friend it seemed obvious the black one was thinner.

Then I measured it and oddly, they're both the same thickness.

I can't explain it, a very weird optical illusion! :oops:


the newer ones i belive are thinner body, I can only speak for a Yako made affinity to which measured 1/175 which is regarded as a standard body thickness, the routing is however slightly different, but I will say this I think I wouldnt have a problem fitting a full size trem block because I have a lot of room in their, may do that in the future but it plays well as it is so its not a priority


Top
Profile
Post subject:
Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 1:37 am
Offline
Professional Musician
Professional Musician
User avatar

Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 9:23 pm
Posts: 1009
Location: Las Vegas, Nevada
I wouldn't worry about the body thickness too much. One of the best sounding Squiers I have is pretty thin.


Image

Image

But it's mainly because of the pickup choice I used for this guitar. It has a Dimarzio Steve's Special in it. I think any guitar can be made to sound how you want it to with the right pickup choice regardless of the body thickness. There are tons of pickup choices to choose from. So I would say, enjoy the lighter weight.

_________________
Image
HaleAmano- House Of Sharks (Now On iTunes)
http://www.reverbnation.com/haleamano
http://www.haleamano.com


Top
Profile
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 15 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 7 hours

Fender Play Winter Sale 2020

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to: