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Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2016 2:14 pm
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Hi All,

Apologies if this post is in the wrong place or a breach of forum etiquette. I’ve briefly read the forum rules and tried to put this post in the right place. If not, moderators please feel free to change or move it.

This may sound like a ridiculous question but I need help identifying my guitar… I inherited a guitar around 10-12 years ago which I played for a while before realising that the guitar wasn’t really for me. Since then it was an ornament in my living room before being retired to my loft where it has resided for the last 4 years or so. I’ve now decided that I have no real use for it, and it would be better off sold. I’ve done a bit of Googling but the Squire range seems to be so diverse that I can’t pin down this model, or what it is worth – so I’ve joined this forum to hopefully get some advice.

It’s a full black Fender Squire with no scratch plate. The plaque on the rear of the guitar says “20th Anniversary Squire by Fender” (which I’ve tried to Google but again, I can’t seem to find one that is all black). The guitar also has 24 frets, which I believe is more than the typical 21 – I don’t know whether this is significant or not, or whether there is a reason for this. Another thing that’s odd is that the head and body don’t match, it looks as though the head is left handed as the tuning pegs face downwards when holding the guitar – perhaps it has the neck and head from a Showmaster? The only other thing I know is that the serial number is: CY02035077, which I think means it was manufactured in China. I’ve included some pictures below.

The guitar itself has a few marks as I owned it when I was around 14-16 and used to carry it everywhere, it’s also needs a new set of strings, but the neck nuts(?) are intact and I still have the relevant key, and as far as I’m aware the guitar still works as it should.

Can anyone provide any information on this guitar? Where it sits in the range, why the head may be left handed, and if possible, a rough estimation of what it is worth?

Thanks in advance, Jack.

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Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2016 4:32 pm
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Your Squier is a 2002 Showmaster Deluxe HSH, 20 th Anniversary
See in the Fender 2002 Frontline ,page 97

Body in solid American Alder
Rosewood fretboard radiused for Floyd Rose bridge
Maple neck
Paraffin -soaked pickups


Chinese Squiers:

CY: Y = Yako (Taiwan) C = China. CY is followed by 2-digit year. CY appears on most models produced in China, and is by far the most common form. These forms are apparently associated with the change to Crafted in China, so post-1996 models only would have this form of serial number.
Some Chinese Gretsch's use a CY serial number.
YN is associated with 'made in china' rather than 'crafted in china' and 1996 was the year they swapped to 'crafted in china' and mostly CY prefixes.

Dating a Squier
CY: C = China, Y = Yako (Taiwan), the serial number prefix is followed by a 2 number year.

For example,

"CY97" = made by Yako in 1997.


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Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2016 12:59 am
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On the value estimation:

Missing parts; the string guide and the trem arm - do you still have those?
Paint chipped on the body, between the bridge and the tone knob. Raises the question of overall condition; especially on the bridge, nut, frets (= playability key factors).
Headstock; was probably black originally - but regardless of the color, there was a sticker someone removed.
No strings & not played for some time = no guarantee the electronics work, and surely in need of a full setup.

Comparable guitars are sold on ebay & such for about 150-250 ($,€,£...).
This one most likely on or below the lower price, unless you happen to find some Squier collector who really must have the 20th Anni HSH.


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Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2016 3:26 am
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jmattis wrote:
On the value estimation:

Missing parts; the string guide and the trem arm - do you still have those?
Paint chipped on the body, between the bridge and the tone knob. Raises the question of overall condition; especially on the bridge, nut, frets (= playability key factors).
Headstock; was probably black originally - but regardless of the color, there was a sticker someone removed.
No strings & not played for some time = no guarantee the electronics work, and surely in need of a full setup.

Comparable guitars are sold on ebay & such for about 150-250 ($,€,£...).
This one most likely on or below the lower price, unless you happen to find some Squier collector who really must have the 20th Anni HSH.


Headstock; was probably black originally - but regardless of the color, there was a sticker someone removed.

Yes black on the Fender Frontline

Yes, no string = full set up


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Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2016 6:10 am
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stratele52 wrote:
Your Squier is a 2002 Showmaster Deluxe HSH, 20 th Anniversary
See in the Fender 2002 Frontline ,page 97

Body in solid American Alder
Rosewood fretboard radiused for Floyd Rose bridge
Maple neck
Paraffin -soaked pickups


Chinese Squiers:

CY: Y = Yako (Taiwan) C = China. CY is followed by 2-digit year. CY appears on most models produced in China, and is by far the most common form. These forms are apparently associated with the change to Crafted in China, so post-1996 models only would have this form of serial number.
Some Chinese Gretsch's use a CY serial number.
YN is associated with 'made in china' rather than 'crafted in china' and 1996 was the year they swapped to 'crafted in china' and mostly CY prefixes.

Dating a Squier
CY: C = China, Y = Yako (Taiwan), the serial number prefix is followed by a 2 number year.

For example,

"CY97" = made by Yako in 1997.


Many thanks on your more than informative response. Do you have any reason for why the head would be pointing downwards? Or is that because someone swapped the head/neck at some point from black to brown and potentially fitted a left hand head?


jmattis wrote:
On the value estimation:

Missing parts; the string guide and the trem arm - do you still have those?
Paint chipped on the body, between the bridge and the tone knob. Raises the question of overall condition; especially on the bridge, nut, frets (= playability key factors).
Headstock; was probably black originally - but regardless of the color, there was a sticker someone removed.
No strings & not played for some time = no guarantee the electronics work, and surely in need of a full setup.

Comparable guitars are sold on ebay & such for about 150-250 ($,€,£...).
This one most likely on or below the lower price, unless you happen to find some Squier collector who really must have the 20th Anni HSH.


Thanks for the reply. I’m not entirely sure what a string guide is and the term arm is missing unfortunately. The guitar does have a few other chips on the side and the bottom, along with a few that have been semi- obviously repaired too. But the playable sections, frets etc are all intact. I would be more than happy with the lower amount though – I think I paid a only a little more back in 2004/5.


stratele52 wrote:

Headstock; was probably black originally - but regardless of the color, there was a sticker someone removed.

Yes black on the Fender Frontline

Yes, no string = full set up


Do you have a photo of the Fender Frontline article? It would be interesting to see/read. Thanks again for your reply.

Jack.


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Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2016 6:13 am
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Owler wrote:

Do you have a photo of the Fender Frontline article? It would be interesting to see/read. Thanks again for your reply.

Jack.


Yes, give me 10 minutes


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That’s ideal – many thanks.


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Owler wrote:
That’s ideal – many thanks.



You are welcome :)


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