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Post subject: Should I just return my Bullet Strat?
Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:54 pm
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So far it's been a daily thing where I have to fix the nut on the output jack. Now my sound is cutting out* it's the guitar on the 2nd to the last position on the switch this happens. Not sure how to open that area up without removing all my strings. So far the issue sorta fixed itself after I just stop playing the guitar for questionable amounts of time. So far I just stop playing it for the day and the next day it works.... for like 30 mins then it refuses to pick up.

Unless stuff like this is completely normal and I should move back to classic guitar. (Although I found the classic guitar sounds boring. Kinda like how I find piano extremely boring and I played that)

If I go to guitar center and give it to them to repair the cost would be much higher than a new guitar. I already paid nearly 70 USD for intonation because I have no clue how to do it and need an example. (Now I do know after reading up on it daily, what spending 70 bucks once can make a person do/learn. It just means I don't want to spend another 70)

*It's not the amp. On my previous thread it was about the amp but I gotten that fixed with a bandaid of weird wiring of hooking it up to a headphone amp.


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Post subject: Re: Should I just return my Bullet Strat?
Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2016 12:41 am
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One common problem with low priced Squier Strats is the output jack coming loose.
If one just tightens the nut, the jack inside and the wires may turn, twist & break the solderings/insulation.
The "proper fix" (without replacing the jack and its wiring) is to take the jack off and hold the inside fast while tightening the nut. A star washer, Loctite 242 or a small drop of hot glue will keep the nut permanently tight. And of course: while you're at it, check the soldering and the isolation on the wires.

If the guitar still cuts out after that, check the solderings on the switch - that's another common cause. Resolder or even replace the switch if needed.

On the setup & setup price aspect:

If you want to save money, and like to work on guitars, you can always learn to DIY. Start here: Strat setup guide and continue to ask the forum if needed.
And invest in a set of quality basic tools, including a good guitar tuner, maybe also a multimeter.

On the other hand, an annual check & setup by a pro will keep your instrument constantly in proper playing condition. (That applies to any price class guitar, not just economy models)
That "seventy bucks for just intonation" seems to me a bit high - a complete setup should be about in that price level.


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Post subject: Re: Should I just return my Bullet Strat?
Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2016 1:35 am
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jmattis wrote:
One common problem with low priced Squier Strats is the output jack coming loose.
If one just tightens the nut, the jack inside and the wires may turn, twist & break the solderings/insulation.
The "proper fix" (without replacing the jack and its wiring) is to take the jack off and hold the inside fast while tightening the nut. A star washer, Loctite 242 or a small drop of hot glue will keep the nut permanently tight. And of course: while you're at it, check the soldering and the isolation on the wires.

If the guitar still cuts out after that, check the solderings on the switch - that's another common cause. Resolder or even replace the switch if needed.

On the setup & setup price aspect:

If you want to save money, and like to work on guitars, you can always learn to DIY. Start here: Strat setup guide and continue to ask the forum if needed.
And invest in a set of quality basic tools, including a good guitar tuner, maybe also a multimeter.

On the other hand, an annual check & setup by a pro will keep your instrument constantly in proper playing condition. (That applies to any price class guitar, not just economy models)
That "seventy bucks for just intonation" seems to me a bit high - a complete setup should be about in that price level.


Putting loctite might void Guitar Center's warranty. More than likely I'll void the void warranty for any modifications I do.

There is like a full check up for like 120 USD at guitar center but thats the price of the guitar. That seems a bit high for my current model.

Well there is a a good bit of raw wire inside. And the soldering is very shoddy. It's like the solder is nearly touching each other. I can't tell how much of the wire is actually soldered because of the wire itself looks fairly of cheap quality(Well I mean that it like a few strands to a huge ball of solder) and fairly tarnished too.

The first time I opened that cover up for the output jack I found a random hairball like ball but from black plastic. I suppose that slipped by QC....

For the switch. I think it's under the pickguard and that is under the strings. How might I get to it without fully disassembling the guitar?

I'm using a roadie tuner. Before you or other's yell at me for using a automated tuner and I should learn by ear and such. I found this easier to learn by if you have a tuner that perfects it for you so as you play you know the sound of perfect. And yes I have a manual headstock tuner and a plug in tuner. I also have a tuning fork which I don't think you can use it for the guitar.

I think this is bad to say but I think this forum is very not active. I see about 30 new posts a day on avr with like only a few. Also I personally is more of a example based learner like I need somebody to do it perfectly for me to see(I dont need to visually see the process) how it ended up in that perfect state. I guess deconstruct learner. If that makes any sense, I need a baseline for "perfect" so I know if it goes out of "perfect" I can pull it back to that "perfect" state. So replacement of the switch is like 20-30 USD from guitar center. Then also I need it restringed but I heard that retringing a strat is very hard* so that would be another 20-30 USD then I read that you need to re-innotate floating bridges after a string change and that would be another 70 USD/Or free that I can try it myself... but more than likely they will push the cost on to me. GuitarCenter feels like Bestbuy. But there isn't any other stores besides Sam Ash, but I have no clue where is their front door.

It was a standard setup that includes innotation. I just needed the innotation done so it was 70 bucks. Not sure what they did but they did do innotation as I checked it with a youtube video. The B string seemed a bit off but I just chalked that up with I might've checked that string incorrectly.

*If wondering how the string broke: I hear a crackle at the tuning pegs which kinda sounded familiar. Then the string swung back and hit my hand. The string snapped at the tuning hole well I can't tell it's a snap or loss of friction. The reason it sounded familiar was that a long while ago I tried to play a rusty electric violin.(Yeah I know, not a good idea) The similar crack was heard, when it snaps in the tuning peg hole.... I might want to replace the fender strings seems like it has rusts near the bridge and on the peg area. If I do end up keeping the guitar would NYXL 0942s be good? Gotta remotivate myself after my guitar made me want to quit.

I could always go with a Epiphone but I won't as they don't have a whammy bar. I actually like the Whammy bar even though so far only used it twice after watching some youtube guides. I doubt I'll use it seriously but it somehow makes me smile when I did use it.


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Post subject: Re: Should I just return my Bullet Strat?
Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2016 3:33 am
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If you're still covered by the GC warranty, take the guitar to them for fixing. If there's a solder/wire/switch broken, all those should be covered by the warranty (or consumer legislation).

Cheap guitars are made with cheap components - thus the cheap wires, solderings etc.
On setups, the process is the same for high end guitars and economy models - thus the similar prices for a setup.
Just as a remark: low priced guitars often benefit more from the setup than high end models.

That "baseline for perfect" you want should be there after a setup - the guitar should then be in factory recommendations (or specs the tech finds better), or setup according to player's preferences. When you do something to the guitar (e.g. adjust the truss rod), make a note on what you do, so it's easy to return to the previous.

Otherwise, on forum quietness: I can't speak for the whole forum, just for myself - trying to help where I can. Based on my experience, seems that most questions do get answered by someone.
And: it's quite OK to register on multiple forums...

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Before you or other's yell at me for using a automated tuner
Not my habit, use whatever you like.

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I need it restringed but I heard that retringing a strat is very hard
A Strat has the trem, and the whole system is adjustable on everything-affects-everything-else basis, so yes: setups/string changes are more difficult than with e.g. Teles.
Anyway, strings have to be changed someday (depending on your playing style, sweat chemistry, playing hours etc), so just deal with it. :wink:


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Post subject: Re: Should I just return my Bullet Strat?
Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2016 5:31 am
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jmattis wrote:
If you're still covered by the GC warranty, take the guitar to them for fixing. If there's a solder/wire/switch broken, all those should be covered by the warranty (or consumer legislation).

Cheap guitars are made with cheap components - thus the cheap wires, solderings etc.
On setups, the process is the same for high end guitars and economy models - thus the similar prices for a setup.
Just as a remark: low priced guitars often benefit more from the setup than high end models.

That "baseline for perfect" you want should be there after a setup - the guitar should then be in factory recommendations (or specs the tech finds better), or setup according to player's preferences. When you do something to the guitar (e.g. adjust the truss rod), make a note on what you do, so it's easy to return to the previous.

Otherwise, on forum quietness: I can't speak for the whole forum, just for myself - trying to help where I can. Based on my experience, seems that most questions do get answered by someone.
And: it's quite OK to register on multiple forums...

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Before you or other's yell at me for using a automated tuner
Not my habit, use whatever you like.

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I need it restringed but I heard that retringing a strat is very hard
A Strat has the trem, and the whole system is adjustable on everything-affects-everything-else basis, so yes: setups/string changes are more difficult than with e.g. Teles.
Anyway, strings have to be changed someday (depending on your playing style, sweat chemistry, playing hours etc), so just deal with it. :wink:


Hey forums software that wasn't nice. You deleted my comments to this post.

I'll check out GC's warranty this weekend.

Well the GC's total setup is like 120 usd and I have no clue what they do there. But the overall feel seem very Bestbuy's Geeksquad like.... some work added with some snakeoil.

I don't exactly know which forums are good. Seems like most guitar forums are very slow. And the general response to people who say "I'm a beginner with a autotuner and a strat is get out and get a epiphone les paul."

I always wanted to change the strings on the guitar but it seems like more I read upon it. The process of a new user touching a floating bridge's strings is like going to send off a natural disaster with an asteroid coming down to smother the guitar. Same goes for touching the whammy bar.

Also what exactly prevents me from stripping the innards and shoving in better quality parts? As I noticed Fender sells parts.


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Post subject: Re: Should I just return my Bullet Strat?
Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2016 12:51 am
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Icywolfe wrote:
I always wanted to change the strings on the guitar but it seems like more I read upon it. The process of a new user touching a floating bridge's strings is like going to send off a natural disaster with an asteroid coming down to smother the guitar. Same goes for touching the whammy bar.

You take out one string at a time, replace it with a new same gauge string, retune - if the guitar was OK when you started, it should be OK when you finish.
On the whammy, if you have that "baseline for perfect" after a setup, the trem should be OK. If you don't use it, do what Clapton did; block or deck the trem.

Icywolfe wrote:
Also what exactly prevents me from stripping the innards and shoving in better quality parts? As I noticed Fender sells parts.

There's nothing stopping you from modding/upgrading your guitar.
Some things to consider, though:
- If you're concerned about voiding warranties with Loctite, don't mod.
- Evaluate your skill level, start with things you're sure you can do, practise on scrap parts.
- Make sure the parts you buy will fit.
- Think about costs/profit before you start. Sometimes a second hand better quality guitar makes more sense than upgrading an economy guitar. On the other hand, learning-by-doing works well on a low priced model. And of course, consider the playing time vs guitar-on-the-workbench time ratio.
- And: don't expect to turn a Bullet Strat into a Custom Shop Strat by new parts.


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Post subject: Re: Should I just return my Bullet Strat?
Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2016 11:35 pm
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jmattis wrote:
Icywolfe wrote:
I always wanted to change the strings on the guitar but it seems like more I read upon it. The process of a new user touching a floating bridge's strings is like going to send off a natural disaster with an asteroid coming down to smother the guitar. Same goes for touching the whammy bar.

You take out one string at a time, replace it with a new same gauge string, retune - if the guitar was OK when you started, it should be OK when you finish.
On the whammy, if you have that "baseline for perfect" after a setup, the trem should be OK. If you don't use it, do what Clapton did; block or deck the trem.

Icywolfe wrote:
Also what exactly prevents me from stripping the innards and shoving in better quality parts? As I noticed Fender sells parts.

There's nothing stopping you from modding/upgrading your guitar.
Some things to consider, though:
- If you're concerned about voiding warranties with Loctite, don't mod.
- Evaluate your skill level, start with things you're sure you can do, practise on scrap parts.
- Make sure the parts you buy will fit.
- Think about costs/profit before you start. Sometimes a second hand better quality guitar makes more sense than upgrading an economy guitar. On the other hand, learning-by-doing works well on a low priced model. And of course, consider the playing time vs guitar-on-the-workbench time ratio.
- And: don't expect to turn a Bullet Strat into a Custom Shop Strat by new parts.


Well for the innards parts I was wondering if GC's warranty is actually junk.

I actually looked at the costs and it's adding on enough cost to be like 100 USD cheaper than Fender's cheapest strat.

I watched all of Fender's ytube videos on fixing/making a guitar. And it looks like legos with soldering except the nut work

I read that Mexico and American parts don't match but will Mexico and Indonesia parts match?

If I do the manual upgrades and pretend years later I wanted to resell the Squier would the price be higher or it would still be considered cheap? As I read that apparently the body material is very important for some reason even though it was said body wood doesn't affect tone.

The one thing I still can't figure out is why the game Rocksmith(I'm going to use all forms of learning videos, books, games) thinks I don't have a 7th fret. The actual 7th fret on the neck shows up as: EADG = 6th fret and GBE = 8th fret. Bizarre it's only happening there. Tried multiple ways of fingering the notes even having the guitar on a table to only press the 7th fret note only. Nope reads it wrong.


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Post subject: Re: Should I just return my Bullet Strat?
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2016 2:55 am
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On any part you replace, you have to check the compatibility. Things like screw hole position, switch height, trem block height, control shaft diameter etc. etc. Don't trust just the "made in".

When you sell a guitar you've modded, you just about never get even the price of upgraded parts back - actually, a modded instrument usually sells for a lower price than an original one.

On the (IMHO, extremely important) nut work, check Ceri's instructions to fix a pre-cut nut
Of course, proper nut files are the best option, plus it's always good to have a backup nut (or a blank).
BTW, here the tuner used comes to play its part: one should check if the low frets play in tune (high notes on frets 1-3 usually point to high nut grooves) and the intonation; don't know how the autotuners handle these tasks.

On warranties, there are different options; a) the consumer legislation, b) the "normal", free-of-charge warranty given by the shop/importer/manufacturer and c) the extra coverage which comes for extra pay.

On "legos with soldering", I don't know your skill level, but I've seen quite a few rewirings (and even factory wirings...) with cold solder joints. Practise - e.g. things like soldering multiple wires to the back of a pot.

On the Rocksmith... I'm too old to have any idea what you're talking about :mrgreen:


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Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2016 3:49 am
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jmattis wrote:
On any part you replace, you have to check the compatibility. Things like screw hole position, switch height, trem block height, control shaft diameter etc. etc. Don't trust just the "made in".

When you sell a guitar you've modded, you just about never get even the price of upgraded parts back - actually, a modded instrument usually sells for a lower price than an original one.

On the (IMHO, extremely important) nut work, check Ceri's instructions to fix a pre-cut nut
Of course, proper nut files are the best option, plus it's always good to have a backup nut (or a blank).
BTW, here the tuner used comes to play its part: one should check if the low frets play in tune (high notes on frets 1-3 usually point to high nut grooves) and the intonation; don't know how the autotuners handle these tasks.

On warranties, there are different options; a) the consumer legislation, b) the "normal", free-of-charge warranty given by the shop/importer/manufacturer and c) the extra coverage which comes for extra pay.

On "legos with soldering", I don't know your skill level, but I've seen quite a few rewirings (and even factory wirings...) with cold solder joints. Practise - e.g. things like soldering multiple wires to the back of a pot.

On the Rocksmith... I'm too old to have any idea what you're talking about :mrgreen:


Oh that might be a problem.... online sources I looked at only show compatibility within same country and same year/s. And some reporting some wood work being needed for bridge.

I saw fender's video on the nut and that scared me. You can grind it but there is no going back if you do a mistake. I heard those words in many other hobbies.

Hmm seems like most other hobbies you get more from personal mods. Damn I thought it was going to be be a good idea slowly switching the parts with Mexico parts. (First need to check if they even fit.) As the total cost of going that will be about 100 - 120 USD cheaper than the Mexico guitar. (Trying to avoid Squire as a brand as this just ruined it for me.)

Autotuners just tune it once you connect it your machine heads/tuning pegs. Doubt it working but it did came with an manual tuner option on the Android app. It still connects to the guitar via instrument jack.

Just reading through the legal stuff.... there is 1 time use for accidental coverage and unlimited yet limited manufacturer's defect.

I have a small solder kit somewhere in my house that I used to use back in Highschool for the science afterschool stuff. The smallest thing I did was solder motors to some DIY circuitboards.

Rocksmith is a game that allows you to learn the guitar kind of through hitting colored strings.

Hmmm I'm not sure how much movement can cause a note to be higher or lower for floating bridge after you press it on the neck. Well basically after reading more about it I might have to make my floating to a fixed. But not sure how quickly that can be done to switch it back and forth. As the game wants fixed and I want to actually learn using that taboo thing. (I really don't care if I snap my strings, so far instrument wise my life was just to follow a certain ruleset, but now with the guitar I wana have some fun.) So in the end I might be forced to buy 2 guitars one Fender and one Epiphone. Any suggestions? Les Paul or SG? The uncolored sound of Les Paul sounds sort of boring.


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Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2016 2:11 am
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With the LP's and SG's popping up, the topic seems to be drifting on areas way outside the original, so I'll just add a basic hint I forgot to write in my first answer:
Try the guitar with a different cable to diagnose the cut off problem is in the guitar, not in the cable.


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Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2016 2:41 am
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jmattis wrote:
With the LP's and SG's popping up, the topic seems to be drifting on areas way outside the original, so I'll just add a basic hint I forgot to write in my first answer:
Try the guitar with a different cable to diagnose the cut off problem is in the guitar, not in the cable.


Already did that. I have Fender(Performance), Mogami(Gold), Planet Waves(Custom) Cables. And I also tried stereo cables too.

But, I ended up returning the Squire Bullet Strat and gotten the Fender Standard. I think I'm going to be stuck with this one for a while. It does seem much better quality but only time will tell. I did noticed it's much more quieter and happier(?) I'm not sure how to describe the sound but all besides the top position on the selector seems more happier(?) or the proper term would be bright(?) Which is actually much better for me as I'm currently trying to only focus on pop songs to play. (Call me a pansy if you wish for not going for some rock music.) Also this doesn't have that very questionable rattle inside. GC warranty barely covered it as the Squire was a sub 200 USD model, and everything higher than 200 USD you get a better warranty plan.(That covers more things). I suppose that is reasonable as if to get any issue in the higher models you must have some freak accident.

I apparently feel that the bridge is easier to move compared the bullet strat. And keeps it's tuning far better after using the bar the only thing that went far out of tune was the fat E. It just dropped half way down.

I must be crazy but is the body actually thicker than the bullet strat? I noticed I'm picking deeper sort of, my memory states that is the correct distance from my hand to my body. Also the neck feel different it's either the frets aren't that sharp or the back of the neck is smaller(?) I can't put my finger to it but it seems more move-able across the neck.

Now for the dafaq moment.... Rocksmith does read the proper notes and frets.... but gives me misses due to the guitar being too quiet. But I think I found a fix for that. Going to try that tomorrow in the day. So I suppose the bridge yet being floaty is better. Seemed like others on the net had issues with Squire strats for that game. Edit: Nevermind 7th fret is fixed but I apparently don't have a 11th fret.(G) I guess the game just hates fender.

Just noticed that the guitar didn't come with Trem bar... why.... Atleast Amazon has 2 day shipping.... Although the silver trem bar was out so I ended up getting the gold trem. Gonna be one weird guitar having all silver hardware and one random gold bar.


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This. Go to Amazon and order it used. Extremely cheap and you'll use it the rest of your guitar playing days. Bought mine when I started playing 22 years ago and have done all my own guitar work since.

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mikesr1963 wrote:
This. Go to Amazon and order it used. Extremely cheap and you'll use it the rest of your guitar playing days. Bought mine when I started playing 22 years ago and have done all my own guitar work since.

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Get what used? The book? If so do you know what is the ISBN?


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Icywolfe wrote:
jmattis wrote:
With the LP's and SG's popping up, the topic seems to be drifting on areas way outside the original, so I'll just add a basic hint I forgot to write in my first answer:
Try the guitar with a different cable to diagnose the cut off problem is in the guitar, not in the cable.


Already did that. I have Fender(Performance), Mogami(Gold), Planet Waves(Custom) Cables. And I also tried stereo cables too.

But, I ended up returning the Squire Bullet Strat and gotten the Fender Standard. I think I'm going to be stuck with this one for a while. It does seem much better quality but only time will tell. I did noticed it's much more quieter and happier(?) I'm not sure how to describe the sound but all besides the top position on the selector seems more happier(?) or the proper term would be bright(?) Which is actually much better for me as I'm currently trying to only focus on pop songs to play. (Call me a pansy if you wish for not going for some rock music.) Also this doesn't have that very questionable rattle inside. GC warranty barely covered it as the Squire was a sub 200 USD model, and everything higher than 200 USD you get a better warranty plan.(That covers more things). I suppose that is reasonable as if to get any issue in the higher models you must have some freak accident.

I apparently feel that the bridge is easier to move compared the bullet strat. And keeps it's tuning far better after using the bar the only thing that went far out of tune was the fat E. It just dropped half way down.

I must be crazy but is the body actually thicker than the bullet strat? I noticed I'm picking deeper sort of, my memory states that is the correct distance from my hand to my body. Also the neck feel different it's either the frets aren't that sharp or the back of the neck is smaller(?) I can't put my finger to it but it seems more move-able across the neck.

Now for the dafaq moment.... Rocksmith does read the proper notes and frets.... but gives me misses due to the guitar being too quiet. But I think I found a fix for that. Going to try that tomorrow in the day. So I suppose the bridge yet being floaty is better. Seemed like others on the net had issues with Squire strats for that game. Edit: Nevermind 7th fret is fixed but I apparently don't have a 11th fret.(G) I guess the game just hates fender.

Just noticed that the guitar didn't come with Trem bar... why.... Atleast Amazon has 2 day shipping.... Although the silver trem bar was out so I ended up getting the gold trem. Gonna be one weird guitar having all silver hardware and one random gold bar.


Go to the support column on here and look for the article on how to do a setup on a Stratocaster. I did that over 13 years ago or so and have never regretted it. Saved me a lot of $$$$ and plus since then, I've also learned how to repairs , etc.


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