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Post subject: Why Aren't We Talking About These?
Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2019 4:03 pm
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The Squier Classic Vibe '70s Jaguar was introduced at NAMM. The street price is $400 new, and Sweetwater is taking pre-orders. They come in surf green, black, and brownburst. The body is poplar and the neck is maple.

Here's the link to the Fender product page. https://shop.fender.com/en-US/squier-electric-guitars/jaguar/classic-vibe-70s-jaguar/0374090557.html

I love the block inlays and binding on the neck. But if I bought the surf green version, I would definitely replace that tortz pickguard with white. Also, I have no idea how good poplar is as a wood for guitars.

So what do you think?

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Post subject: Re: Why Aren't We Talking About These?
Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:20 am
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I'll keep tortoise channel.
Poplar body ? We talk about low budget guitar . You have for what you pay.

I test drive Squier Classic vibeTelecaster with one of my USA Tele. Classic Vibe are very good for the price.

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Post subject: Re: Why Aren't We Talking About These?
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 2:03 am
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On the 'why aren't we talking' aspect, you just started the topic.
But these aren't the big sellers on FMIC, and this forum is mostly a 'technical question - answer' type instead of a continuous ongoing conversation, so...

stratele52 wrote:
Poplar body ? We talk about low budget guitar . You have for what you pay.

Hmmm. Fender used poplar on AmStandards, and even Strat Pluses at one era... :mrgreen:


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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 2:07 am
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IMO there are poplar and poplar.
Same looking wood (?) from different country may not have same quality and price.

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Post subject: Re: Why Aren't We Talking About These?
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:05 am
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Of course there are differences with wood. Even with two blanks from the same tree.
But it's not that timber from USA is categorically better that timber from Africa/Asia/Europe...

If you have any knowledge of inferior wood used vastly in Squier instruments, please share the knowledge and source.
If not, and with all due respect: are you sure you're not just being a snob with that wood statement, and equalling price with quality by only imaginative arguments? 8)


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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:12 am
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You alway have for what you pay.

Poplar ; solid or laminated ?

Some trees named poplar on other country may not be same as poplar we may find in North America or in high end guitars.

https://www.hunker.com/13424404/what-ar ... plar-trees

Poplar trees are all members of the genus Populus, a term that means "many of" in Latin. Several dozen species of poplar are grouped under the Populus umbrella. Although each species has its own characteristics, in general these trees grow fast and propagate easily, but have powerful, suckering roots that can turn a row of poplars into a gardener's nightmare.

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Post subject: Re: Why Aren't We Talking About These?
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 6:25 am
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stratele52 wrote:
You alway have for what you pay.

So, you would not be satisfied with the Ikea Frakta bag, because it costs only 1€, you would rather buy the Balenciaga version for 2000€..? :lol:
But seriously, with the pricing policy these days (and since long ago) one shouldn't expect a straight dependancy between production costs and price. High end luxury products, made for a selected clientele, in a market with little or no competition, are usually priced accordingly. Mass products in a very competitive market likewise - and FMIC considers their economic line as "baits"; the first step towards the CS MasterBuilts.

Anyways, back to the topic. Quite reasonably priced, and if they have kept the weight in control, that could appeal especially to surf/indie hearted young players, 24" scale and all.
Could have a maple fretboard option, though. I really liked the Modern Player Jazzmaster HH in her tuxedo outfit: https://reverb.com/item/266608-fender-m ... itar-black
But of course, the mahogany body must be b-a-d mahogany... :twisted:


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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 6:38 am
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spacewolf wrote:
Also, I have no idea how good poplar is as a wood for guitars.


In the early '60s, Fender sometimes used poplar -- while Leo still owned the company. It's unclear why, but it was more than just an experiment or test -- they sold quite a few. (Poplar was part of the reason for the change in Fender's sunburst finishes to an almost opaque yellow center -- the "target burst" era.)

In the '90s, poplar was the main wood used for American Standard Strats and Teles.

Warmoth says that poplar is similar to alder in every way except for appearance. Poplar tends to have greenish streaks so it's best reserved for opaque finishes (FMIC got around that by veneering the sunburst bodies.)

Wood commodity prices vary. Sometimes poplar is a little less expensive than alder. But sometimes alder is cheaper. (A big part of why Fender switched back to alder in the '00s for American models.*) Not talking huge price differences either way -- when you make hundreds of thousands guitars every year, a few pennies per board foot adds up.

It's not a "cheap" wood, it's not "trash" wood or a "mystery" wood. Woodworkers have always held poplar in high regard (for projects where the natural appearance isn't a factor).

If you like the guitar, poplar shouldn't be a concern.



*Price wasn't the only reason American Fenders switched back to alder, of course. The internet boomed around then, and people started reading that their beloved 10 year old Fenders were "actually" just "junk" with poplar bodies, veneers, and swimming pool routs. With alder lower in price plus the internet blather, switching back was a no-brainer.

That internet blather has left a permanent mark. People who should know better still harbor unfounded prejudice against poplar. So if/when poplar drops in price again, it's highly unlikely they'll ever use it for the US models again.


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Post subject: Re: Why Aren't We Talking About These?
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 7:21 pm
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jmattis wrote:
On the 'why aren't we talking' aspect, you just started the topic.
But these aren't the big sellers on FMIC, and this forum is mostly a 'technical question - answer' type instead of a continuous ongoing conversation, so...

I don't own a Squier, so I've checked out this sub-forum maybe 2 or 3 times before now. But Squier VM Jaguar owners are so fanatical about their Jags, I thought they would be thrilled that a new Squier Jag is coming out. Thus, I was surprised to find no mention of it here.

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Post subject: Re: Why Aren't We Talking About These?
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2019 1:52 pm
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Personally I think it looks best in the sunburst colour. Unusual guitar, I must say. I've got mixed feelings about it. I like its shape, but I think it would look better if the fingerboard was a darker shade of brown. I do really like the Nickel-plated hardware though. That's nice.


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Post subject: Re: Why Aren't We Talking About These?
Posted: Sat Apr 20, 2019 8:36 pm
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Chromium Toaster wrote:
Personally I think it looks best in the sunburst colour. Unusual guitar, I must say. I've got mixed feelings about it. I like its shape, but I think it would look better if the fingerboard was a darker shade of brown. I do really like the Nickel-plated hardware though. That's nice.

Agreed, those block inlays would make a more striking contrast with rosewood.

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