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Post subject: Fender Custom 60s Inductance?
Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 6:55 pm
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Can someone do me a quick favor and measure the Inductance of a Custom 60s pickup set? This is not the same thing as the resistance (which for these I believe is around 5.8K), I'm looking for the inductance (measured in Henries).

I suspect they will be near 2.2 Henries, but I'm curious. I have a set of pickups that I love and I'd like to see how the Custom 60s stack up spec-wise.

Thanks! I appreciate it.


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Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2013 3:39 am
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Is there somebody have a Henries meter here ?


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Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2013 8:57 am
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I hope so. Depending on the multimeter, it might take inductance readings as well, but hoping that someone here has one -- and a minute to help me out!


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Post subject: Re: Fender Custom 60s Inductance?
Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2013 9:22 am
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There are lots more specs than coil resistance and inductance ( henrie) to have the same sound.

Sure if Henries are not the same , forget the others specs.


I'm sure you know that same pickups on differents guitar could have another sound.

Said 1956 Les Paul have a great sound . This is the most valuable guitar . Tkake out it's pickups and put them on 2013 Les Paul . Sure you won't have same sound.

But I'm sure you know that.


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Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2013 10:29 am
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There are lots more specs than coil resistance and inductance ( henrie) to have the same sound.

Sure if Henries are not the same , forget the others specs.


I'm sure you know that same pickups on differents guitar could have another sound.

Said 1956 Les Paul have a great sound . This is the most valuable guitar . Tkake out it's pickups and put them on 2013 Les Paul . Sure you won't have same sound.

But I'm sure you know that.

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Post subject: Re: Fender Custom 60s Inductance?
Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:25 am
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stratele52 wrote:
There are lots more specs than coil resistance and inductance ( henrie) to have the same sound.

Sure if Henries are not the same , forget the others specs.


I'm sure you know that same pickups on differents guitar could have another sound.

Said 1956 Les Paul have a great sound . This is the most valuable guitar . Tkake out it's pickups and put them on 2013 Les Paul . Sure you won't have same sound.

But I'm sure you know that.


I agree 100% as well. After years learning all that I can about pickups, I'm starting to discover that inductance (measured in Henries) is actually more indicative of a pickup's sound than resistance (even though most people talk in terms of resistance and seem to ignore inductance). I'm doing a little "experiment" to test this hypothesis, so I figured I'd try to get reference data on some of the Fender sets.

Of course, other factors may determine tone MORE, but everything matters to a certain extent.


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Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:11 pm
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stratele52 wrote:
There are lots more specs than coil resistance and inductance ( henrie) to have the same sound.

Sure if Henries are not the same , forget the others specs.


I'm sure you know that same pickups on differents guitar could have another sound.

Said 1956 Les Paul have a great sound . This is the most valuable guitar . Tkake out it's pickups and put them on 2013 Les Paul . Sure you won't have same sound.

But I'm sure you know that.


I agree 100% as well. After years learning all that I can about pickups, I'm starting to discover that inductance (measured in Henries) is actually more indicative of a pickup's sound than resistance (even though most people talk in terms of resistance and seem to ignore inductance). I'm doing a little "experiment" to test this hypothesis, so I figured I'd try to get reference data on some of the Fender sets.

Of course, other factors may determine tone MORE, but everything matters to a certain extent.


I bet if you took any pickup coil and changed magnets between ceramic, ALNICO 2, 3, 4, and 5 that you would hear more of a difference than between two pickups with the same magnets but different inductance. A pickup is part of a system along with the volume and tone controls and input impedance of the amp. Why people get hung up on a single parameter is beyond me. Yes, I have an EE degree and am a systems engineer. :wink:

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Post subject: Re: Fender Custom 60s Inductance?
Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 1:51 am
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jacobie423000 wrote:
Can someone do me a quick favor and measure the Inductance of a Custom 60s pickup set? This is not the same thing as the resistance (which for these I believe is around 5.8K), I'm looking for the inductance (measured in Henries).

I suspect they will be near 2.2 Henries, but I'm curious. I have a set of pickups that I love and I'd like to see how the Custom 60s stack up spec-wise.

Thanks! I appreciate it.


Write to Seymour Ducan , they are very hepfull and they work often with Fender.

Write to Fender too.


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Post subject: Re: Fender Custom 60s Inductance?
Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 10:31 am
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bluesky636 wrote:
jacobie423000 wrote:
stratele52 wrote:
There are lots more specs than coil resistance and inductance ( henrie) to have the same sound.

Sure if Henries are not the same , forget the others specs.


I'm sure you know that same pickups on differents guitar could have another sound.

Said 1956 Les Paul have a great sound . This is the most valuable guitar . Tkake out it's pickups and put them on 2013 Les Paul . Sure you won't have same sound.

But I'm sure you know that.


I agree 100% as well. After years learning all that I can about pickups, I'm starting to discover that inductance (measured in Henries) is actually more indicative of a pickup's sound than resistance (even though most people talk in terms of resistance and seem to ignore inductance). I'm doing a little "experiment" to test this hypothesis, so I figured I'd try to get reference data on some of the Fender sets.

Of course, other factors may determine tone MORE, but everything matters to a certain extent.


I bet if you took any pickup coil and changed magnets between ceramic, ALNICO 2, 3, 4, and 5 that you would hear more of a difference than between two pickups with the same magnets but different inductance. A pickup is part of a system along with the volume and tone controls and input impedance of the amp. Why people get hung up on a single parameter is beyond me. Yes, I have an EE degree and am a systems engineer. :wink:


Of course, but that's not a point I'm trying to make (nor that I even believe). I'm not trying to argue that inductance matters more than anything. At the most, I think that between inductance and resistance, inductance in my experience has been more determinative. Sure, magnets (and a lot of other things) might matter more, but it's still helpful to know the resistance/inductance.

Just because X matters most to the determination of some quality, P, does not mean that other factors, call them Y and Z, do not also impact quality P.


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Post subject: Re: Fender Custom 60s Inductance?
Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 10:46 am
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jacobie423000 wrote:
Of course, but that's not a point I'm trying to make (nor that I even believe). I'm not trying to argue that inductance matters more than anything. At the most, I think that between inductance and resistance, inductance in my experience has been more determinative. Sure, magnets (and a lot of other things) might matter more, but it's still helpful to know the resistance/inductance.

Just because X matters most to the determination of some quality, P, does not mean that other factors, call them Y and Z, do not also impact quality P.


I am simply stating the fact that concentrating on one parameter is an incorrect approach. You stated "I'm starting to discover that inductance (measured in Henries) is actually more indicative of a pickup's sound than resistance". I maintain that is an incorrect assumption.

You want to see how the sound of pickups is influenced, read this:

http://guitarnuts2.proboards.com/index. ... hread=3627

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Post subject: Re: Fender Custom 60s Inductance?
Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 11:13 am
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How to measure your Henry.

http://www.ehow.com/how_5646890_measure ... -coil.html


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Post subject: Re: Fender Custom 60s Inductance?
Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 12:04 pm
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bluesky636 wrote:
jacobie423000 wrote:
Of course, but that's not a point I'm trying to make (nor that I even believe). I'm not trying to argue that inductance matters more than anything. At the most, I think that between inductance and resistance, inductance in my experience has been more determinative. Sure, magnets (and a lot of other things) might matter more, but it's still helpful to know the resistance/inductance.

Just because X matters most to the determination of some quality, P, does not mean that other factors, call them Y and Z, do not also impact quality P.


I am simply stating the fact that concentrating on one parameter is an incorrect approach. You stated "I'm starting to discover that inductance (measured in Henries) is actually more indicative of a pickup's sound than resistance". I maintain that is an incorrect assumption.

You want to see how the sound of pickups is influenced, read this:

http://guitarnuts2.proboards.com/index. ... hread=3627


Look, I'm not going to argue with you. Just because I am simply asking for a value doesn't mean I'm "concentrating" on it to the exclusion on everything else affecting a pickup. I'm simply asking for a value. If you came to argue pickups, kindly find another thread.


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Post subject: Re: Fender Custom 60s Inductance?
Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 12:16 pm
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jacobie423000 wrote:
Look, I'm not going to argue with you. Just because I am simply asking for a value doesn't mean I'm "concentrating" on it to the exclusion on everything else affecting a pickup. I'm simply asking for a value. If you came to argue pickups, kindly find another thread.


Really?

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I agree 100% as well. After years learning all that I can about pickups, I'm starting to discover that inductance (measured in Henries) is actually more indicative of a pickup's sound than resistance (even though most people talk in terms of resistance and seem to ignore inductance). I'm doing a little "experiment" to test this hypothesis, so I figured I'd try to get reference data on some of the Fender sets.

Of course, other factors may determine tone MORE, but everything matters to a certain extent.


I'm done wasting my time. Have fun with your experiment.

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Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 12:40 pm
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All I am trying to say is that I don't get the typical response of people who chime in on every "Pickup Resistance" thread saying that "pickups are a system, a lot of factors influence it."

Okay, I get it. So I can't talk about, say, car tire size simply because a car is a system made up of parts?

Move along.


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Post subject: Re: Fender Custom 60s Inductance?
Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 2:15 pm
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jacobie423000 wrote:
All I am trying to say is that I don't get the typical response of people who chime in on every "Pickup Resistance" thread saying that "pickups are a system, a lot of factors influence it."


You're right. You don't get it. If you bother to look at the link I posted, you might. Until then, buh bye.

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