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Post subject: Re: Brownie
Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 10:18 am
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ufboy73 wrote:
i just dont see the relevancy of what clapton did.

people are simply buying a limited edition guitar that is a replica of Brownie.


Exactly, now why did I have to use so many words just the other moment to convey such a simple message...


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Post subject: Re: Brownie
Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 2:04 pm
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your words were well chosen and more explanatory than my response :wink:


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Post subject: Re: Brownie
Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 7:18 am
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Anyway, both of you are quite right :wink:

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Post subject: Re: Brownie
Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 6:19 am
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Brownie was a "colour matched" 2-colour sunburst Strat and NOT a tobacco sunburst guitar as erroneously mentioned.

Hope EC will finally authorize and approve the colour matched 2-tone burst finish as an option for his Custom Artist signature guitars.


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Post subject: Re: Brownie
Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 7:01 am
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chromeface wrote:
Brownie was a "colour matched" 2-colour sunburst Strat and a tobacco sunburst guitar as erroneously mentioned.

Hope EC will finally authorize and approve the colour matched 2-tone burst finish as an option for his Custom Artist signature guitars.


Does he need to? If you want a two tone sunburst Clapton Strat why don't you just order it at FCS? They'll probably call it a custom stratocaster or whatever on the COA and you probably will not have the signature on the headstock, but since EC's personal guitars don't have the sigs on the headstock either I wouldn't consider it a big deal. And if that doesn't go, try to get a '57 Strat with Clapton electronics.


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Post subject: Re: Brownie
Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 2:08 pm
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Bobby1 wrote:
Does he need to? If you want a two tone sunburst Clapton Strat why don't you just order it at FCS? They'll probably call it a custom stratocaster or whatever on the COA and you probably will not have the signature on the headstock, but since EC's personal guitars don't have the sigs on the headstock either I wouldn't consider it a big deal. And if that doesn't go, try to get a '57 Strat with Clapton electronics.


have seen this spec around before. music gallery had one sometime back built by todd.

i think it was 'custom '56 relic' or something.


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Post subject: Re: Brownie
Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 6:05 pm
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ufboy73 wrote:
Bobby1 wrote:
Does he need to? If you want a two tone sunburst Clapton Strat why don't you just order it at FCS? They'll probably call it a custom stratocaster or whatever on the COA and you probably will not have the signature on the headstock, but since EC's personal guitars don't have the sigs on the headstock either I wouldn't consider it a big deal. And if that doesn't go, try to get a '57 Strat with Clapton electronics.


have seen this spec around before. music gallery had one sometime back built by todd. i think it was 'custom '56 relic' or something.

I also...Clapton electronics and VN pickups as well.

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Post subject: Re: Brownie
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 5:23 am
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Clapton electronics and VN pickups as well.


Lace Golds for the older stuff (1986-1999) and the slide repertoire.

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Post subject: Re: Brownie
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 8:44 pm
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$99k for one eack ( I think I'll buy a house instead)
$15k for a brownie ( I think I'll buy a $5k custom shop and spend $10k on a new car.)


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Posted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 4:18 pm
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cripps78 wrote:
$99k for one eack ( I think I'll buy a house instead)
$15k for a brownie ( I think I'll buy a $5k custom shop and spend $10k on a new car.)


everyones gots their own priorities, right :lol:


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Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 11:55 am
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Did Brownie comes with a whammy bar?


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Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 12:08 pm
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Eric blocked his bridges, I expect this will be no different.


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Post subject: Re: Brownie
Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 10:07 am
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Did Brownie comes with a whammy bar?

I've never seen a photo of that guitar with a bar in place. In the '04 Christies catalog there's a full page color photo of Clapton and Townsend on stage together during the Rainbow Concert in January 1973. It's been told that the gig featured appearance of the black guitar. Theres a trem on the guitar at that time.

As for RRR's observation, the trem claw on the black guitar is tight to the body as is the mass block, but no wood block on the guitar. I've never seen the interior of the trem cavity on the Brownie, and the salesperson at the Guitar Center in Hallandale Beach FL yesterday was loathe to take off the hangar to be handled, though he claims he A/B'd it against a new '56 CS relic he had there. Thus I had no opportunity to see how Fender setup that guitar. One can assume that the Brownie might be setup the same.

Another thing comes to mind in all of our discussions on the Clapton guitar setup is that we've never established whether or not, to this day, he has a wood block in his stage guitars.

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Post subject: Re: Brownie
Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 10:35 am
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As for RRR's observation, the trem claw on the black guitar is tight to the body as is the mass block, but no wood block on the guitar. I've never seen the interior of the trem cavity on the Brownie, and the salesperson at the Guitar Center in Hallandale Beach FL yesterday was loathe to take off the hangar to be handled, though he claims he A/B'd it against a new '56 CS relic he had there. Thus I had no opportunity to see how Fender setup that guitar. One can assume that the Brownie might be setup the same.

Another thing comes to mind in all of our discussions on the Clapton guitar setup is that we've never established whether or not, to this day, he has a wood block in his stage guitars.

When the "Blackie" reproduction was issued in '88, it came with a block of wood blocking the bridge. Or maybe it's the EC signature I'm thinking of.


As I understand from a previous thread, they no longer do that, as the question was why the posters new one was not blocked.

Pasted from Wiki:
"The final product (released in 1988) is essentially a vintage 1957 reissue Stratocaster featuring a deeply contoured select alder body, a 1-piece soft "V"-shaped maple neck fitted with 22 vintage-style frets, flat 9,5" radius and BiFlex truss-rod system, a "blocked" original American Vintage synchronized tremolo, Gotoh/Kluson tuning machines, 1-ply white pickguard and three Fender Gold Lace Sensor pickups powered by an active MDX mid-boost circuit with 25dB of gain and TBX tone controls, which helped augment the tone of the sound delivered, opening up a wider tonal range Clapton desired.

One of the unique features of this guitar (and perhaps the most interesting) was the inclusion of an original vintage synchronized tremolo bridge blocked off to tremolo arms by a small piece of wood wedged into the bridge cavity. This idea came about as Clapton liked the tone and tuning stability of hardtail Stratocasters and had no use for the whammy bar. "


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Post subject: Re: Brownie
Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 11:49 am
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[quote="RRR"]When the "Blackie" reproduction was issued in '88, it came with a block of wood blocking the bridge. Or maybe it's the EC signature I'm thinking of.
As I understand from a previous thread, they no longer do that, as the question was why the posters new one was not blocked.[quote]

Your resource material contains standard stock information upon which there is agreement in all of our discussions over the years. Terminology has changed somewhat. The inception of the Signature Series guitars has a history of its own which we shall set aside for our purposes here suffice to say that the Clapton was the third. As time progressed the factory version came to fall under the Artist Series line, signed on the face of the headstock, whereas the CS version came under their Signature Series line and was signed on the back of the headstock. The Masterbuilt version was done 'as built for the artist' and hence had no TBX and eventually, no signature on the headstock. [BTW: Eldred informed us that other difference between the factory and CS models lies in little details such as selection of wood, # of pieces in the body and over all attention to fit and finish. The CS colors are black, Mercedes blue and midnight blue] The 'Blackie' in the new series came as an afterthought roughly two years later when Eric decided to have a black finish in addition to pewter, torino red, and 7-Up green. I own an '89 Pewter, and owned a '93 Blackie. Both guitars were set up with the bridge decked, the trem fitted with 5 springs and the claw and mass block flush to the body, and wood block in the space between the mass block and the body wall. Why his original 'Blackie', set up exactly the same way with respect to components lacked the wood block and the new guitar had it added has not yet been fully explained or explored by us during the past 5+ years. There have been thousands of words written by this collective on the subject of his guitars. I've also remarked that there was a Blackie replica amongst the items auctioned at Bonham's in 2010 and that guitar did not have the trem claw flush to the body. Currently, we have embraced the issue of staggered tuners. Go figure any of this. :?

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