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Post subject: Re: Are you guys serious???
Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 5:56 pm
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Strider wrote:
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I'd buy a Relic but there's to many scratches on them......... :shock:


Just kidding around fella's, all the CS instruments are dope.


Yeah, they're all awesome but I prefer the appearance of a guitar with less scratches.


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Post subject: Re: Are you guys serious???
Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 7:01 am
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I'd buy a Relic but there's to many scratches on them......... :shock:


I'm fairly sure that you can order a relic with that broken in feel and a worn out old looking finish without a crazy amount of scratches. That's what I plan to do.


A Closet Classic maybe ?



I wouldn't think the Closet Classic would come with a seriously broken in neck, though. Personally, I'd think a CC body with a Relic'd neck would be ideal. Completely broken in, but not too beat up. If you've got enough money anything is possible, I suppose.

I'm always torn, though. When the time comes for me to take the plunge I want that unbelievable feeling neck, but I think the paint I want is the White Blonde. Which really doesn't look good unless it's in NOS condition. :?

It's still a few years off for me. So I've got plenty of time to agonize over it. :shock:

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Post subject: Re: Are you guys serious???
Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 2:53 am
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I have no idea why some people get so pompous and upset about relic guitars.
Their are many Fender customers, myself included, who can't afford a real vintage Strat with all the aging to the finish, but who absolutely love the look and feel of aged and worn guitars, who want a real 'Fender' Strat not a copy made by somebody else, and don't have 40 odd years to wait for their shiny NOS guitar to look vintage! Rory Gallagher buried his Strat in the garden! Don't really want to do that to mine though.

I think Mike and the custom shop do a great job with the relics, and produce a massive variety of light to heavy to ultra heavy relicing to suit all tastes.

I recently purchased a Custom Shop 1960 Relic Strat with fairly light relicing, which really does look and feel like a vintage instrument, (and yes, I have played real 60's vintage Strats so I do know what they are like) and which will continue to naturally age as I play it and gig with it because it's been made with the right materials and Nitro finish. It's the best Strat I've ever played, real vintage instruments included. A lot of extra hours of work goes into creating the relic finish, so it's only fair to pay extra for the extra work, the same as you would in any industry.

If you don't like them, who cares, a lot of people do.

Thanks Mike and the team for making great instruments!


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Post subject: Re: Are you guys serious???
Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 3:50 am
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What guitarmandave said.

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Post subject: Re: Are you guys serious???
Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2012 9:13 am
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I know I'm late to this topic, but I feel like I should jump in anyway.

Mike is absolutely right in that they are simply following what people want. They make a product that people want. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Relicing is here to stay. I'm sure there'll be a natural wax and wane to that market. Right now there is some push back to it, and it wouldn't surprise me if the next couple years at the FCS shows a boost in newish looking guitars and a decline in relics. Then after a while relics will be super cool again.

There is also a form/function dynamic going on here. Some people find this absolutely beautiful, and this is not limited to guitars. I have an uncle who is an extremely talented carpenter, and he loves working with old timber and distressed woods. He's ripped up barn floors to have that nice time worn wood, and taken nails out one by and one saved them in a bucket. He's had instructions from clients to tear things down and throw it away, and he'll tear it down piece by piece and stack up the lumber in his yard for his next project. My aunt (his wife) is also a professional with antiques, and has been since antiques or vintage were fashionable. This aesthetic style is relatively new to the world of luthiery, but it isn't actually new.

The other end of the spectrum is the guy with the old, well worn guitar that is cool as heck and wants it refinished because he can't get it shiny anymore. I've seen people absolutely ruin old Fenders, Gibsons and Martins because they thought the old finish was garbage.

Personally, it largely doesn't bug me. Sometimes when I get a new CS model in the shop and it has rust on the saddles and the strings buzz because it has a poor surface, then it can be a pain. If the customer doesn't want me cleaning off the saddles because he paid for that rust, then it becomes a bit silly - let's not relic it so far that it ceases to be a good instrument! But, for the most part the CS has been pretty good at relicing without impeding the functionality of the instrument, and in that sense it is the best of both worlds. People often forget that those old vintage pieces often need some incredible TLC to be functional. As long as the relicing remains aesthetic, then as another poster said, it is as meaningful (or meaningless) as a discussion over your favorite color.

Oh, and I don't like black guitars, either. Too fingerprint prone for me!


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Post subject: Re: Are you guys serious???
Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 3:40 am
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I love it!! You never know what's going to set off the nitro around here. :lol: Carry on. :wink:
BTW: I guy I know here in Florida still plays his dad's '54 Strat professionally. This relic has practically no finish on either the body or neck. Its' a dull, dirtly looking brown guitar that still rocks.

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Post subject: Re: Are you guys serious???
Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 8:06 am
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I love it!! You never know what's going to set off the nitro around here. :lol: Carry on. :wink:
BTW: I guy I know here in Florida still plays his dad's '54 Strat professionally. This relic has practically no finish on either the body or neck. Its' a dull, dirtly looking brown guitar that still rocks.



Which in the end, is all that counts.

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Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2012 11:25 pm
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I can understand love for aged guitars and basses, I also adore vintage basses, but why not buy a new instrument and age it naturally at your own usage, or buy a second hand? Whats the point if the guitar or bass has not been aged by a real player in a natural way?

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Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2012 11:41 pm
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I can understand love for aged guitars and basses, I also adore vintage basses, but why not buy a new instrument and age it naturally at your own usage, or buy a second hand? Whats the point if the guitar or bass has not been aged by a real player in a natural way?

When you are an already old buyer you save time....

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Post subject: Re: Are you guys serious???
Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2012 11:47 pm
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Hey bang up on road kill guitars all you want but leave my black strat outta this ya hear!!! :lol:

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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 6:46 am
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Sarigul wrote:
I can understand love for aged guitars and basses, I also adore vintage basses, but why not buy a new instrument and age it naturally at your own usage, or buy a second hand? Whats the point if the guitar or bass has not been aged by a real player in a natural way?



When you're talking post CBS basses and guitars that is definitely an option in some cases. However, with those aged instruments and their playability and worn looks also comes the effects of any abuses they've suffered over the years. In the terms of the Pre-CBS stuff there's the reality of money. I prefer the specs of a first generation P bass. Someday I'll get a custom shop model, but for now my trusty CIJ 51RI will need to do. The price difference, even if you shoot high on a CS 51RI, or 55RI is NOTHING compared to actually trying to get your hands on an all original, playable 51-56 Precision Bass. Those specs, combined with finish and parts quality is only available through the Custom Shop for even some of the most well to do. I really don't want to spend two years salary on a bass and then gig with it. If I can't gig with it, what's the point? If I can save up for a few years socking away gig money and get myself a dependable, well crafted, as true as you can get reproduction of that and actually be able to gig with it. I'd be crazy not to, imo.

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