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Post subject: Re: Custom Shop guitars the best Fender has ever made?
Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 7:58 pm
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Fender never used bakelite.
Am I wrong ?


people commonly call the polystyrene plastic used from '54-sometime '56 for pickup covers and knobs bakelite. Its not correct, but still commonly referred to as.

My point really wasn't specifically on the "bakelite" plastic. Even guitars through the '60s as they age turn to a really cheap, but cool IMO, looking color.

My point was, if you are going to do a reissue, why not at least recreate stuff like the correct shape and font/size of the knobs? They spent so much time with every last detail... and then to half-a$$ it on the knobs... I just don't get it. :(


Do some research. Polystyrene is not Bakelite. The pick guards used on early Blackguard guitars were Bakelite.

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Post subject: Re: Custom Shop guitars the best Fender has ever made?
Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 12:10 am
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We don't sell the polystyrene parts.
They were never bakelite.

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So :?:

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Post subject: Re: Custom Shop guitars the best Fender has ever made?
Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 5:28 am
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I think my point here has been lost... :?

go look at a vintage strat next to a FCS from the last couple years... different knobs completely.

from a tone standpoint, if you had a blindfold I think you would be hard-pressed to tell the difference. Eldred and crew have done an amazing job of capturing the essence of the originals. I love mine and have 2 MB's on order. :D

My point is nit-picking because I care. I don't see why a company would make a product and call it a reproduction of a particular year and miss something so obvious.


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Post subject: Re: Custom Shop guitars the best Fender has ever made?
Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 6:57 am
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Fonts on the knobs changed between the years. so, we should have 3 or 4 different type fonts?

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Post subject: Re: Custom Shop guitars the best Fender has ever made?
Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 8:21 am
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Mike Eldred - Fender wrote:
Fonts on the knobs changed between the years. so, we should have 3 or 4 different type fonts?

ME


yes... but if you are concerned about the cost of having different knobs, make it a MB "feature" since there is a premium for those guitars anyways. :D


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Post subject: Re: Custom Shop guitars the best Fender has ever made?
Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 9:44 am
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alainlafrance wrote:
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We don't sell the polystyrene parts.
They were never bakelite.

ME"

So :?:


I have no idea what question that quote is responding to.

Buy or read "The Blackguard" by Nacho Banos. Contains detailed photos of disassembled Blackguard Esquires, Broadcasters, Nocasters, and Telecasters from 1950 to 1954. He provides a detailed analysis of parts and electronics. You will see photos of Bakelite pickguards.

http://www.theblackguardbook.com/

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Post subject: Re: Custom Shop guitars the best Fender has ever made?
Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 10:58 am
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sikoniko wrote:
Mike Eldred - Fender wrote:
Fonts on the knobs changed between the years. so, we should have 3 or 4 different type fonts?

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yes... but if you are concerned about the cost of having different knobs, make it a MB "feature" since there is a premium for those guitars anyways. :D



I'm not concerned about costs. I'm concerned about confusion in the marketplace.
What about the frets? Should they all be 6230 to be "correct"? What about radius? Pickups? Trems? What knob font should go on a Custom Deluxe?

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Post subject: Re: Custom Shop guitars the best Fender has ever made?
Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 1:36 pm
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Mike Eldred - Fender wrote:
sikoniko wrote:
Mike Eldred - Fender wrote:
Fonts on the knobs changed between the years. so, we should have 3 or 4 different type fonts?

ME


yes... but if you are concerned about the cost of having different knobs, make it a MB "feature" since there is a premium for those guitars anyways. :D



I'm not concerned about costs. I'm concerned about confusion in the marketplace.
What about the frets? Should they all be 6230 to be "correct"? What about radius? Pickups? Trems? What knob font should go on a Custom Deluxe?

ME


Mike,

Thanks for replying.

I think the answer is multi-dimensional... Since it is the custom shop, ultimately, it could be a customer decision. on a "Custom Deluxe" you put whatever you, meaning FCS, want to put on it. My main area of concern/complaint is on a "re-issue".

I've always felt that FCS should call a '62 reissue (for example) w/ 6105 fretwire and 9.5 radius a "hotrod" or something to differentiate itself like Fender does. IMO there already is confusion when someone buys a '62 reissue they may or may not be getting what they think they are. At least I did not.

I *think* you have two general customers shopping for a "reissue" (though I am probably wrong). You have someone who wants a guitar with the vibe of a vintage guitar but with modern spec's (ie. hotrod) and you have a customer that wants the guitar to be as loyal to what Leo made as possible (I fall in the latter). to me, level of relic'ing is a sub category of the two I mentioned.


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Post subject: Re: Custom Shop guitars the best Fender has ever made?
Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 4:42 am
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I'll have to show this to my wife, she's a psychiatrist.

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Post subject: Re: Custom Shop guitars the best Fender has ever made?
Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 1:24 am
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In my opinion CS Strats and Teles are able to rival any true vintage Telecaster or Stratocaster. I owned a '65 Strat in Lake Placid Blue and a '66 Strat in 3 tone sunburst, a MB Custom Tele and bought some days ago a MB Strat made by Jason Smith. A friend of mine owns two '70 Strats in sunburst, one '63 in seafoam green and several early CS Strats and Teles. Every guitar has its own characteristics, but all have this "dry-as-a-bone" wooden sound which won't be found in regular guitars and are highly resonant.
In the last years I was also ablo to play lots of "mint" vintage guitars, which looked very pretty but sounded flat compared to CS instruments or true vintage guitars which had been intensively played.


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