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Post subject: Did I Score a John Cruz Strat?
Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 11:50 pm
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Hi guys, I finally got the guitar that UPS had going back and forth for two weeks. It's a beautiful, all original 2007 CS '69 NOS Black Stratocaster that I got off of eBay. While checking that everything was legit, I discover this signature that seems to say "Custom Strat Graphic - John Cruz - 11/5 "

The guitar plays beautifully and sounds great, was it built by John Cruz? SN is R38740.


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Post subject: Re: Did I Score a John Cruz Strat?
Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 2:56 am
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"Graphic" implies a picture or drawing. Is there one on the guitar? Photos of the entire guitar would be helpful. What you posted by itself is pretty meaningless as there is no context.

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Post subject: Re: Did I Score a John Cruz Strat?
Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 8:25 am
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I gave an exact description of the guitar. Black, stock 2007 NOS '69 Strat. No graphics or anything out of the ordinary for this model, otherwise a picture of the whole guitar would have been in order.


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Post subject: Re: Did I Score a John Cruz Strat?
Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 8:38 am
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Wow. Ok. Enjoy your guitar whatever it is. I'm sorry I wasted my time. :roll:

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Post subject: Re: Did I Score a John Cruz Strat?
Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 9:18 am
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Wow. Sensitive much? :roll:


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Post subject: Re: Did I Score a John Cruz Strat?
Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 9:23 am
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mAx___ wrote:
Wow. Sensitive much? :roll:
Without seeing the guitar someone may have just written that. Usually writing on necks doesn't come with a felt tip pen. Smudged and such. My guess would be someone just copied it. Didn't want to get in trouble for forging so smudged the first name -The last name could be cray : I doubt you have what you think you have..


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Post subject: Re: Did I Score a John Cruz Strat?
Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 10:35 am
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:? :roll: more pics needed. Should not be a problem.


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Post subject: Re: Did I Score a John Cruz Strat?
Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 10:37 am
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Could it be a body that he initially marked for a custom graphic and that ended up being used for this NOS '69 instead?

It was not offered for sale as a "John Cruz" Strat so I don't think anybody was trying to forge the signature. The seller had no idea of it and the neck felt to me like it had not being removed since the guitar left the factory. My best bet is that that writing was done by someone at the FCS. Could it have been JC himself?


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Post subject: Re: Did I Score a John Cruz Strat?
Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 10:48 am
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mAx___ wrote:
Wow. Sensitive much? :roll:


People that come here asking for help identifying a guitar are always asked to provide detailed photos to aid in the identification. Those people are always willing to comply except for you. Kinda makes one wonder why? As far as I am concerned, you have a partscaster with fake writing in the neck heel.

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Post subject: Re: Did I Score a John Cruz Strat?
Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 10:51 am
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mAx___ wrote:
Could it be a body that he initially marked for a custom graphic and that ended up being used for this NOS '69 instead?

It was not offered for sale as a "John Cruz" Strat so I don't think anybody was trying to forge the signature. The seller had no idea of it and the neck felt to me like it had not being removed since the guitar left the factory. My best bet is that that writing was done by someone at the FCS. Could it have been JC himself?


Did you get a COA with the guitar? if you did, who signed it? Was it a teambuild or masterbuild?

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Post subject: Re: Did I Score a John Cruz Strat?
Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 11:17 am
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If you pull the pickguard assmbly off

should have some markings in the neck pickup route


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Post subject: Re: Did I Score a John Cruz Strat?
Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 11:34 am
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rickc007 wrote:
If you pull the pickguard assmbly off

should have some markings in the neck pickup route


Yes, it says "69 NOS" in the neck pickup route and and "Relic" in the springs cavity. The neck is also marked "Relic". All the dates coincide. I also checked the SN with the CS and everything checked perfectly. The guitar is legit, no question about it, I just wanted to know about JC's signature and writing in the neck pocket.


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Post subject: Re: Did I Score a John Cruz Strat?
Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 11:38 am
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mAx___ wrote:
rickc007 wrote:
If you pull the pickguard assmbly off

should have some markings in the neck pickup route


Yes, it says "69 NOS" in the neck pickup route and and "Relic" in the springs cavity. The neck is also marked "Relic". All the dates coincide. I also checked the SN with the CS and everything checked perfectly. The guitar is legit, no question about it, I just wanted to know about JC's signature and writing in the neck pocket.


Ya interesting ...

Wonders if there isn't a graphic under there :-)


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Post subject: Re: Did I Score a John Cruz Strat?
Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 11:52 am
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You said that you checked out the serial number with the Custom Shop. Who did you talk to as they would know who built the guitar and if it was a masterbuilt or a teambuild? I would think you should ask them or contact customer relations and they can tell you for sure. Good luck.


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Post subject: Re: Did I Score a John Cruz Strat?
Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 12:08 pm
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The email I got with all the specs after we talked on the phone does not mention specifically if it was teambuild, but being a Time Machine series I believe it should be. The only thing out of the ordinary with this guitar seems to be that writing and signature...


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