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Post subject: Re: Why more than one?
Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 10:44 am
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Gary - If you don't want to see all of Alain's guitars - don't go to his website. Alain generally helps people by answering questions about CS guitars. He is extremely helpful and knowledgeable. To assert anything else is ignorant. You've only been on the Lounge since April and have only had 13 posts. Alain has had over 3000 posts over the past 4 years - with probably 2500 of those helping others. If you don't like it - stop going to his website. Stop reading all of these posts. Just get over it. If you already know all that is posted here, then good for you. Start your own website and share your knowledge with the world.

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Post subject: Re: Why more than one?
Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 10:50 am
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Gary J. wrote:
First of all Alain, I haven't learned anything from your site that I didn't already know, I've seen every guitar you claim to own somewhere else before I heard of you. If you think people ignore guitars then why do you put them up? are you sure it's not an attention thing? It's not hurt or jealousy that I feel, it's your arrogance that I hate, if you have plenty, fine, but don't flaunt it around to those who have not. you should have more respect for others, because not everyone on here is loaded. To mention a guitar here and there is no big deal, but to cover this whole site with you, you, you, is all out selfishness, and no one cares for that.


This turns personal so I won't comment; it's like water on a duck's feathers.

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Post subject: Re: Why more than one?
Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 10:56 am
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Sounds like jealousy Alain! You are quite right in ignoring this person who is all knowing!! :lol: This too shall pass!! :wink:


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Post subject: Re: Why more than one?
Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 11:49 am
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Personal attacks on Alain aside, addressing forum members as "You people" is pretty derisive. I think it's time you lightened up!


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Post subject: Re: Why more than one?
Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 3:01 pm
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Gary J. wrote:
You people are not getting my point, it's his entire demeanor that gets my goat, and I'm surprised no one else has seen it. Maybe Fender should give him his own forum on here and call it, "Ask Alain".


not cool...

its alains money to spend it how he chooses....


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Post subject: Re: Why more than one?
Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 3:05 pm
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Gary J. wrote:
First of all Alain, I haven't learned anything from your site that I didn't already know, I've seen every guitar you claim to own somewhere else before I heard of you. If you think people ignore guitars then why do you put them up? are you sure it's not an attention thing? It's not hurt or jealousy that I feel, it's your arrogance that I hate, if you have plenty, fine, but don't flaunt it around to those who have not. you should have more respect for others, because not everyone on here is loaded. To mention a guitar here and there is no big deal, but to cover this whole site with you, you, you, is all out selfishness, and no one cares for that.


Dude, you have some serious issues. If you knew so much, then why did you go to Alains site in the first place? It's meant for people who want to learn. As Jesse said, of Alains posts here, about 85-90% of them have been to help people with questions. Then we have you, some newbie coming in, spewing some bullshit on how "arrogant" and "flaunty" Alain is.

You're not going to gain any supporters if you come in here running your mouth and insulting longtime/respected members.

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Post subject: Re: Why more than one?
Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 5:52 pm
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JesseDKnutson wrote:
Gary - If you don't want to see all of Alain's guitars - don't go to his website. Alain generally helps people by answering questions about CS guitars. He is extremely helpful and knowledgeable. To assert anything else is ignorant.


I differ.

I have seen the poster in question joke at other people's expense in several occasions. And the first contact I had with him was when he insulted me without provocation.

I understand that some think he can do no wrong, but they must realize that their opinion is not shared by all -- and accept that fact.

The guy surely knows that in polite society we have a tremendously useful device called, "an apology," to defuse situations where offense has been given and taken, yet when I reminded him of his derogatory first reply to me, he chose to retire in a huff. It's fine for me to coexist here with him passing each other like two ships in the night, and I'll offer him the same level of respect he offers me, same as with everyone else. But for me, so far, he is not, "one of the best posters." And if his flatterers don't like it, they can look up the post I am talking about in the "La Cabronita" thread and see for themselves.

As to showing off his guitars, it's a question of personal style; he has a right to do it and don't bother me none, but let's call a spade a spade. And if it bothers someone, saying so without offense as the OP did is no reason to give offense as some are clearly about to do. Mark my words.

JesseDKnutson wrote:
You've only been on the Lounge since April and have only had 13 posts. Alain has had over 3000 posts over the past 4 years - with probably 2500 of those helping others. If you don't like it - stop going to his website. Stop reading all of these posts. Just get over it. If you already know all that is posted here, then good for you. Start your own website and share your knowledge with the world.


As to the authority that supposedly confers having thousands of posts in one's account, I cannot see how that works. It mostly indicates verbosity, and in no way means that a poster's argument lacks merit because he is a newer or less verbose member.

Non-insulting dissent is healthy and it promotes vigorous debate. Why is the OP being beaten for not being part of the endless, tedious, saccharine, nauseating, mutual back-patting afflicting the majority of posts?

If the flattery-averse tolerate the syrup why can't the gushers tolerate a little dissent and so we all get along?

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Post subject: Re: Why more than one?
Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 8:41 pm
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I agree the number of posts doesn't equate who has more knowledge or who should be listened to - I was just pointing out that Alain has been around for a long time where Gary has not. Gary has less to judge Alain off of - since Alain has been around for 4 more years than him and thousands of posts more.

I'm done with this thread though. Best of luck to all.

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Post subject: Re: Why more than one?
Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 9:34 pm
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JesseDKnutson wrote:
I agree the number of posts doesn't equate who has more knowledge or who should be listened to - I was just pointing out that Alain has been around for a long time where Gary has not. Gary has less to judge Alain off of - since Alain has been around for 4 more years than him and thousands of posts more.


I don't intend this as a personal attack to anyone, but as fair comment.

I have seen A's collection and it is magnificent, as far as guitars that look like oil paintings.
A guitar's look, however, is a distant third in my estimation; tone and playability come first. A collection that would include songs using different guitars, like sound clip + photo, I would much prefer for my taste. But it is undeniable that a showy collection has the power to dazzle people of other taste, to the point of earning deference, which might not be wholly deserved.

Admiration for knowledge requires evidence of knowledge, as far as I am concerned. I find hard to admire a person's knowledge of Fender guitars after he asserts in public that: (1) in his opinion Relic Fenders sound better than NOS Fenders, and that (2) a 10/56 neck is not a V neck. A. has made both these assertions recently in this forum. And when I replied to the contrary to (2) (10/56 is a soft-V neck), another poster, who I like and respect, to my utter puzzlement, encouraged me to defer to A. on such matters due to A's knowledge and the size of his collection.

It's no surprise to see Americans admiring and deferring to acquisitive power, but , sorry, I can't do.

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Post subject: Re: Why more than one?
Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 9:41 pm
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I can only assume that Gary didn't expect to get hammered. I would like to welcome him to the Forums and hope that he hangs around long enough to be the beneficiary of the incredible knowledge base which we have shared amongst ourselves since its inception. A great many close friendships have been forged herein, and we hope that such camaraderie continues.

When it comes to Alain, you might as well attempt to burn the American flag without reproach. Because they are fortunate to be able to, Alain his friends are preserving for posterity, the best that FMIC and it's gifted artisans have to offer. They are not the only ones. [There is a private museum in Italy, which we have seen a few pics of , which would knock you out in terms of what is sitting behind glass there.]

As a result, we have had the opportunity to come to know of work originating in California which is totally mindboggling to the eye, simply because of what his passion has given him entry to. We are aware that he considers these pieces as works of art, yet works of art which must be played. That, is an interesting philosophy for a collector.

Take advantage of what is offered herein. Your horizons will broaden greatly.

Doc :wink:

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Post subject: Re: Why more than one?
Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 12:12 am
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Don't knock or judge other people. Post info about your one guitar and spec of your FCS, etc and tell us more about why it's the only FCS you'll ever need, post video, pics. sound clip, etc.


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Post subject: Re: Why more than one?
Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 10:55 am
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Gary J. wrote:
Thanks for the welcome Doc. :P

Don't mention. It takes time for 'newbies' to learn to love us. Once it happens, you'll come to understand some of the amazing things which go on in the communitiy and how far these people are willing to extend themselves to help a friend. :wink: Some of us get a tad feisty on occasion and those of us who have reached the point where we are now looking over our shoulders as opposed to looking ahead find it necessary to pull on the reins. In the end, it comes up even. :D

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Post subject: Re: Why more than one?
Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 9:19 pm
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Well, about the original question, I aquired my first CS guitar last year.
Now I want a second one.
Why? Get your first one and then we´ll see! :lol:

Anyone posting on the Let´s Talk Custom Shop forum that has not experienced one such instrument should in my opinion refrain from trying to be controversial. I like controversy of course, but let´s have a clean slate before the debate begins! :D

Alain is an outstanding fellow.
I am thankful for people with such an interest and generosity.
Much would be lost without people like Alain.

Who cares about liking him or not?
Are you planning on marrying him or something? :lol:

Why can he not be incisive on some posts?
Why would his collection require that he also be Mr. Nice Guy?

Cheers, mike

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Post subject: Re: Why more than one?
Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 7:28 am
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Hi there Gary!
Thanks for your stimulating thread man.
I´m a newb, and in my opinion posting provocative stuff is the way to get everyone going! :D

People have been tolerant of my newbiness, and I am thankful for that, as I have been a bit of a loud mouth on a couple of threads.

I got a response from someone, somewhat ridiculing my query, and it took me a few days to realize I had taken offense. Upon reflecting on that I came to see that I was probably being too eager.

I have begun getting rid of my gear and guitars. Got rid of 8 classical guitars and a whole bunch of stuff. Kept 2 classicals and 3 Fender Strats. Now that I have a Custom Shop guitar I have been thinking of a second one, so that in time each of my kids can inherit one. Having lots of stuff gives me anxiety, and so collecting is not for me.
Cheers, Mike.

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Post subject: Re: Why more than one?
Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 10:42 am
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Pics of the relevant guitars would be great, Gary and Mike. We all appreciate fine CS guitars! :)


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