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Post subject: Neck Profile Question
Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 6:31 pm
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Hi,

After numerous searches on the web I thought I would post my question here. I plan on ordering a CS in 6 to 12 months so I've been doing some research. I recently played a production level American Strat Eric Clapton signature and really liked the neck (was pleasantly surprised with the vintage wire too). So my question is, which CS profile is closest to this Clapton model? Soft V or 10/56?

I also really liked the production level 2011 American Deluxe Strat. Which one does this model match up with?

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Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 1:07 pm
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How about the ---- Clapton V (YES YOU
CAN SPEC THIS ON A CUSTOM BUILT)
IN REGARDS TO YOUR QUESTION
THE 10/56 IS ALOT CHUNKIER AND
HAS MORE MEAT IN THE MIDDLE
THE 57 SOFT IS A LITTLE SMALLER THAN
THAT AND MORE ROUNDED BUT THE CLAPTON
IS THINNER THAN BOTH THOSE

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Post subject: Re: Neck Profile Question
Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 1:13 pm
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Hmmmm.....

Yeah, I think I really like the V profile. I'm shy of the 10/56 because I have never tried one. I know that the modern C is not something I like, especially with an 1-11/16" nut width. I guess it's a toss up between a Clapton and a Soft V. May have to flip a coin although may lean towards the Soft V if it does indeed have more wood or thickness than a Clapton.

I heard of a neck that transitions from a Soft V in the lower register to a C in the upper register. Any knowledge of this?

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Post subject: Re: Neck Profile Question
Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 6:30 am
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The V to C transistion is the Eric Johnson
and it like the 57 has a little more meat to it
than the clapton I liked it as well but
I like a little thicker neck. In my experience
I prefer the tone with a thicker neck
I think the resonance is a little better
FWIW the difference maybe minimal but
I think I can hear it

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Post subject: Re: Neck Profile Question
Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 8:12 am
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clem160 wrote:
The V to C transistion is the Eric Johnson
and it like the 57 has a little more meat to it
than the clapton I liked it as well but
I like a little thicker neck. In my experience
I prefer the tone with a thicker neck
I think the resonance is a little better
FWIW the difference maybe minimal but
I think I can hear it


So for clarification, the "Soft V" is a '57? I agree with you regarding resonance with a thicker neck. A lot of that depends on the density of the particular piece of wood too (variable within a species as well).


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Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 9:30 am
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To the best of my knowledge and belief, the 'soft-V' generic neck carve is the 10/56 based upon information gleaned from Mike Eldred a couple of years ago. You should also get your hands on the '57VHR' and check out that neck. It falls between the generic V-neck and the Clapton. You might prefer the '57VHR based upon your comments. I prefer V-neck guitars and own all three...an American Deluxe, the '57VHR and the Clapton. The Clapton is my favorite. I had a problem with a CS guitar on which I specified a Clapton neck profile and a rosewood board, The neck was not as sleek as the one on my Clapton and I was given to understand that the board may have contributed to that feel. IMHO a 21 fret solid maple neck would be the way to go with all three. Let us know how you end up.

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Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 9:52 am
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ZZDoc wrote:
To the best of my knowledge and belief, the 'soft-V' generic neck carve is the 10/56 based upon information gleaned from Mike Eldred a couple of years ago.


Well that is extremely confusing.... It seems to me like the CS needs to update the order sheet a little. I don't see a Clapton option, nor a 57VHR, and now you say that ME said a "Soft V" IS a "10/56". Hmmm.

Any "V" I get is probably going to be Q-sawn and/or at least A-grade flame (is flame only produced from Q-sawn?). I would like 22 frets but can rock on 21 (plus I like the vintage vibe). My future axe is taking shape....

Light weight '57 alder body with a contoured heel
21 fret, one piece A-grade minimum flame maple with a "Soft V, 10/56, Clapton, or 57HVR" contour
9.5 inch radius fret board
Vintage or 6105 frets (still undecided)
2-point trem with vintage saddles
DiMarzio Area PUPS (58 neck & mid, 61 bridge) with tone 1 controlling the neck PUP and tone 2 controlling the bridge PUP, and a trebble-bleed mod
Vintage tinted satin neck with glossed fretboard and headstock (can this be spec'ed with nitro?)
Nitro body finish...probably LPB.


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Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:24 am
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I don't think, as long as CS reissues are involved, that the 10/56 neck shows any kind of V neck profile, I'd consider it as a round and chubby neck.

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Post subject: Re: Neck Profile Question
Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 7:38 pm
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alainlafrance wrote:
I don't think, as long as CS reissues are involved, that the 10/56 neck shows any kind of V neck profile, I'd consider it as a round and chubby neck.


The 10/56 neck certainly has a V in its profile.

That's a reason why they call it a 'Boat neck,' because it looks a little like the bottom of a boat, starting with a V at the nut that turns into a C.

I am looking at a 56 MB Strat and I can see it clearly. It's a softer V than the Clapton V, not as noticeable but it's there..

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Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 4:18 am
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I would defer to Alain with regard to his observatoins on the 10/56. My response in that regard referred to the answer to a pointed questions I put to Mike Eldred. Of the guitars I've played..proporting to sport a 'soft-V'..the American Deluxe, both Buddy Guys, the Vaughn, all seem to have the same neck. So does the Classic Player '50's. From there, and from description, there may be slight differences in the neck carve on the Dave Murray and the Eric Johnson guitars. The VHR is less bulky than the neck on my Deluxe, and the Clapton is the sleekest of the lot and I do not find that the spine of that neck really constitutes a sharp V. The other thing you might want to consider in a custom order is the tint. The Clapton necks are almost white whereas, Fender tends to tint the 'vintage' necks quite deeply which does not suit my taste. Specifying 'lightly tinted' might do. The difficulty, in general, is that I find that most 'big box' stores do not stock a wide enough variety of these guitars to audition. The 'modern C' neck seems to be the order of the day on most of the guitars on the wall.

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Post subject: Re: Neck Profile Question
Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 1:08 pm
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ZZDoc wrote:
The other thing you might want to consider in a custom order is the tint. The Clapton necks are almost white whereas, Fender tends to tint the 'vintage' necks quite deeply which does not suit my taste. Specifying 'lightly tinted' might do.


Yep. My taste either. And non-vintage necks too, at times, the Eric Johnson guitar is one.

Is that because they used a lot of tint in the 50s and 60s, because maple color is rather bland?

I had I couple of G&L that had lots of tint as well, far too much.

As to weather there is a V in a 10/56 neck, let's call a spade a spade. It has one without a shadow of a doubt, and saying it does not is simply wrong.

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Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 3:16 pm
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Gentlemen,

This is all awesome insight and I thank you for your help. Anyone have measurements for the Clapton, Soft V, and '57 VHR for the following:

Nut Width
1st Fret Thickness
12th Fret Thickness

At this point I think I'm gravitating toward the Soft V with 1-5/8 to 1-11/16 nut width. I liked the American Deluxe that I played last week. It had 1-11/16 nut width, but because of the soft V profile, played (and felt) a lot nicer than the modern C's that were on everything else. My Warmoth neck (which I love) has the following specs:

Nut Width: 1.648 in
1st Fret Thickness: 0.883 in
12th Fret Thickness: 0.961 in

I think it is a Warmoth '59 Roundback but because my dad and I built it 18 years ago, I don't remember what it is. I only have the measurements to go off of now.

I like tinted necks personally. The Clapton is too pale for me. I like the EJ tint. That with some awesome flame or bird's eye looks awesome to me.


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Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 5:47 am
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You can find the nut width in the specs section of the catalog. If my memory serves me, they are the same for all three guitars. As far as the thickness, I don't have the calipers to obtain this. The best I could do is give you a measurement of a wrap around at the those frets, for all three.

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Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 5:52 am
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[quote="Tiglath]As to weather there is a V in a 10/56 neck, let's call a spade a spade. It has one without a shadow of a doubt, and saying it does not is simply wrong. [/quote]

I deferred to Alain because of the size and scope of his collection and that of his friends. [see http://www.guitarmotel.com].
In the matter of tint, to my memory, my '58 Strat did not have a neck tint as deep as some I've seen on what Fender uses for it's Vintage Series guitars as pictured in the products section. There are some old B&W photos of it in my archives which support that contention.

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Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 11:53 am
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ZZDoc wrote:
I deferred to Alain because of the size and scope of his collection


???

It's a choice. I much prefer the report of my senses. I see and feel a V.
As to what others say, ME says it's a V, which should trump a lot of peoples' opinions.

A cat can have a harem and still be a lousy lay :)

ZZDoc wrote:

In the matter of tint, to my memory, my '58 Strat did not have a neck tint as deep as some I've seen on what Fender uses for it's Vintage Series guitars as pictured in the products section. There are some old B&W photos of it in my archives which support that contention.



My TK '58 is strongly tinted, but it looks OK in a black guitar.

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