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Post subject: Re: if you collect, how do you discriminate?
Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 5:38 am
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Bear in mind that the Clapton neck carve and and active electronics were exclusive to that guitar in the Fender line and to no other, until the Buddy Guy model. In my preference for V-necks, that was the one, the best damn neck the company ever produced, followed by the neck on the more relatively recent '57VHR and, of course, their generic 10/56 which goes on everything V-neck. [I, like you, retired two PRS's, in my case, in favor of the neck carves the Fender line offered.] It's not necessarily the 'artist' per se but the 'something special' which might be offered in a particular run, that attracts the buyer. The incredible workmanship on the Mayer '83''s which not one owner in these pages had decried as not being a player's guitar, or the paint finishes on the last Clapton LTD run.


I have not had the opportunity to play the clapton V, but I do have a guitar with the 10/56 and one with the 57-V. I was comparing them yesterday against my '62. Its not a fair comparison because the '50s strats have 9.5 radius and 6105s while the '62 is vintage spec. My conclusion was that the '62 was more comfortable. I am thinking about taking the '50s strats to a local guy (ron kirn) to have them refretted with vintage frets. on the fence. That is something I find interesting about the clapton strats... 9.5 radius and vintage frets. the big frets are not as comfortable to me. my fingers go bump bump bump all the way down the fret board like i'm hitting speed bumps.


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Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 5:44 am
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The Neck ?
For my own hands the EC Todd Krause Masterbuilt rules.
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Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 2:01 pm
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The Neck ? For my own hands the EC Todd Krause Masterbuilt rules. Medium fingers...

You and I have been down the road often about THAT guitar of yours. :wink: We should let the folks out there know that you have owned up to the fact that the neck's a tad slimmer than the other Clapton's of that ilk in your collection. Not that I'm envious, ......much......just still a bit pissed that they never got the neck quite right for me on the guitar they built for me years ago. I came to learn, quite recently, that it may have been the rosewood board I ordered for the guitar which limited the taper as that board forced the creation of a shoulder which a maple board would not.

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Post subject: Re: if you collect, how do you discriminate?
Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 2:05 pm
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[quote="sikonikoI have not had the opportunity to play the clapton V, but I do have a guitar with the 10/56 and one with the 57-V. I was comparing them yesterday against my '62. Its not a fair comparison because the '50s strats have 9.5 radius and 6105s while the '62 is vintage spec. My conclusion was that the '62 was more comfortable. I am thinking about taking the '50s strats to a local guy (ron kirn) to have them refretted with vintage frets. on the fence. That is something I find interesting about the clapton strats... 9.5 radius and vintage frets. the big frets are not as comfortable to me. my fingers go bump bump bump all the way down the fret board like i'm hitting speed bumps.[/quote]
The original necks of that period were 7.5 radius and vintage wire. The Clapton's always been a hybrid with respect to neck radius and fretwire.

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Post subject: Re: if you collect, how do you discriminate?
Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 12:13 am
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"I came to learn, quite recently, that it may have been the rosewood board I ordered for the guitar which limited the taper as that board forced the creation of a shoulder which a maple board would not."
Interesting info and explanation about the difference.

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Post subject: Re: if you collect, how do you discriminate?
Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 4:52 pm
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So I have been discussing the whole collection with my wife recently. I've decided to scale back my collection a little bit. Initially, I had to figure out what I liked. I've come to realize that I don't like to play 6105 frets, so I got rid of my NAMM guitar and the thin skin Jaguar I had. I've also decided the heavy relics arent for me. I'd get rid of my HLE guitar since its a heavy relic with 6105 frets, but since it has handwound abby's I'm going to keep it. I'm also selling my '60 3TSB relic since I have a custom order TB '62 that is better. No reason for the redundancy.

I'm debating on the next guitar. The decision is whether to get the used NOS I found from 2005, order a TB w/ Abbys or do a Masterbuilt w/ Abbys. My wife is encouraging me to go masterbuilt but I just can't see how the guitar can get any better than the custom order team builts I have.

I think it would be cool to get a fullerton '57 strat at some point but I'm in no hurry.


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Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 4:57 pm
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Why don't you just go for a Masterbuilt to your absolute, ideal specification?

Specify handwound Abby pickups... a Closet Classic/NOS finish... standard frets... any colour you like, make a weird sunburst/blend of colours (rainbow guitar? pink/blue cola bottles? green/blue dipped & high beam headlight colours from your dashboard?)... the list is endless.

Go nuts. Get your absolute dream guitar made, sell the extraneous ones. Man maths at its very best. :D

(Although, saying that, I'd have no idea what to specify for colour. All I know is it would have to be HSS. :P )

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Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 5:01 pm
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VladSoilerOfCarpets wrote:
Why don't you just go for a Masterbuilt to your absolute, ideal specification?

Specify handwound Abby pickups... a Closet Classic/NOS finish... standard frets... any colour you like, make a weird sunburst/blend of colours (rainbow guitar? pink/blue cola bottles? green/blue dipped & high beam headlight colours from your dashboard?)... the list is endless.

Go nuts. Get your absolute dream guitar made, sell the extraneous ones. Man maths at its very best. :D

(Although, saying that, I'd have no idea what to specify for colour. All I know is it would have to be HSS. :P )


heh. I don't really have a dream guitar. problem is all I want is a '61 fiesta red strat w/ HW Abbys. I'm a pretty simple guy. might be overkill for a masterbuilder...


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Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 1:14 am
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sikoniko wrote:
heh. I don't really have a dream guitar. problem is all I want is a '61 fiesta red strat w/ HW Abbys. I'm a pretty simple guy. might be overkill for a masterbuilder...


Just specify that with some special appointments. Flamed maple neck, Indian Rosewood fretboard. Gold hardware..? Modern hardware? Would sir care for some locking tuners & a modern bridge, or strictly vintage appointments? Matching headstock? Custom switching? The choices are endless...

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Post subject: Re: if you collect, how do you discriminate?
Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 5:01 am
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Ya, I'm not into all that... I basically want this guitar...

http://www.guitarmotel.com/fender/59-vintage/235-fender-stratocaster-1962-fiesta-red

How about I order a new masterbuilt and trade the owner? heheh... :D guitar for guitar.

Alain, is this beauty yours?


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Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 12:00 am
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sikoniko wrote:
Ya, I'm not into all that... I basically want this guitar...

http://www.guitarmotel.com/fender/59-vintage/235-fender-stratocaster-1962-fiesta-red

How about I order a new masterbuilt and trade the owner? heheh... :D guitar for guitar.

Alain, is this beauty yours?


Alas no, it's my friend's...

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Post subject: Re: if you collect, how do you discriminate?
Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 12:34 am
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And now something completely different...

(As John Cleese used to say)

I shared a passion for buying guitars on a par with others here for many years. At one point I spent a lot of time buying and selling, more to retain the best that passed through my hands than making money. Soon I did not have time to play all my guitars though I loved them all. Lots of NGDs. Life was great.

One day I met backstage a guitarist that I much admire and got talking about guitars. One of the things he said to me is that he mainly tries to get new sounds from the same guitar (a Fender), in a world of guitar players trying to get the same old sounds from different guitars. Touché

One-gun pistoleros were the most feared, I understand, but it is hard for me to play only one type of guitar. Then, two more occurrences made it all sink in. I sold a boutique guitar to a guy in Baltimore who had a huge collection. I delivered the guitar personally to avoid mishaps, and when he held it I asked him to play it and check it, he confessed he can't play guitar almost at all, but passionately loves guitars anyway. Nothing wrong, really, as long as no actual guitar gets hurt... In an unrelated encounter sometime later I met a gun collector, who similarly confessed to being a lousy shot.

Well, I am sure that there are guitar collectors that are also a great players, but it occurred to me that if you focus on the guitar's raison d'être, the art, the music, more than on the tool the world begins to make much more sense. Buying great guitars is easy if you have the money, playing well is hard no matter how much you make. And truth is that accomplishing something hard feels a lot better.

It's a tough habit to acquire, but for years now I have been paying a lot more attention to perfecting my playing and composing as if it was a bride's bouquet, rather than obsessing about collecting pretty wood to impress myself and others. Not that there is anything wrong with it. And it's not an either-or proposition by any means. Still, the only regret is that I did not do it sooner.

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