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Post subject: Re: if you collect, how do you discriminate?
Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 1:29 pm
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Came upon my CS 56 NOS totally by chance. Was about to order the Aged Cherry Sunburst Custom Deluxe. Walked in Caruso's Music, Theo said check out the 2 color sunburst Strat on the wall. From 20 feet away I didn't really think much. looked at other guitars, got to the 56 NOS ( not knowing at the time what it actually was as Theo was having fun by keeping info to himself )
Picked it up and went " Ohh...it's a brand new Custom Shop " to which Theo shot back " No..it is a 2001 56 NOS Time Machine."
The striking part was that it was pristine, mind was made up that day, the Custom Deluxe would have to wait another time. This was a purchase not to be passed up. A distinction was that all hardware is gold, another ( learned much later ) was that this guitar belonged to one of the Fender reps for the region and was a showpiece, which explained how it had managed 10 years without a scratch.
After a year and a half of owning this C.S. Stratocaster, I have only been disappointed with my own playing at times. It however is a joy to play and even today surprised me with certain tone colors which I had not found before as I was playing thru a Clapton repertoire.
I have to add that not finding a sound I liked (today ) going thru my Deluxe, I plugged in thru my 410 Classic Magnatone.... The result is a Cheshire Cat Grin all day.... 8)

Sometimes a particular instrument is totally unexpected at an unplanned moment but over the years, those are the best moments.
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Post subject: Re: if you collect, how do you discriminate?
Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 4:37 am
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Came upon my CS 56 NOS totally by chance.........


Chance favors the prepared mind........and budget. :wink:

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Post subject: Re: if you collect, how do you discriminate?
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 5:05 am
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for those of you that have been collecting since the early 90's, what made you go with custom shop over the real vintage guitars? I know in '99 I walked into a store in London and they must have had 5-6 pre-cbs strats priced around 2500 pounds. Interestingly enough, they also had a gretsch white falcon that was on consignment from entwistle at the time.


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Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 7:00 am
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for those of you that have been collecting since the early 90's, what made you go with custom shop over the real vintage guitars? I know in '99 I walked into a store in London and they must have had 5-6 pre-cbs strats priced around 2500 pounds. Interestingly enough, they also had a gretsch white falcon that was on consignment from entwistle at the time.

There's a consensus among some that the newer guitars are better built, having been tweeked to correct deficiencies noted in the earlier years...like....the 6th string on the early Strats which would fall off the fingerboard up around the 12th fret.

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Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 11:08 am
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for those of you that have been collecting since the early 90's, what made you go with custom shop over the real vintage guitars? I know in '99 I walked into a store in London and they must have had 5-6 pre-cbs strats priced around 2500 pounds. Interestingly enough, they also had a gretsch white falcon that was on consignment from entwistle at the time.


You can collect both.
Keep in mind that , for some people, the adulated so-called "L Series" has been produced at more than 100,000 units.
In '99 pre-CBS Strats @ £2500 must have been far from pristine.
The present Fender Custom Shop produces guitars no one could dream of in the '60s (I'm old enough to still own my first Strat from '62)
They expand their offer to:
- Great sounding guitars
- Great Tribute guitars
- Great Artistic guitars
- Great One-Off no one could be dreaming of before seeing them.

Honestly I prefer to watch cooly at 5 Fender Custom Shop Guitars from my own than looking at 5 vintage guitars.
You can admire one vintage guitar at a time, seeing its perfect condition after so many years.
Fair.
But enjoying to watch several different styles FCS guitars at once, sitting comfortably with a nice drink and listening to some Pink Floyd music is a real sheer relaxing pleasure that I wish to all of you to enjoy.

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Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 11:31 am
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I have just over 60 electrics of which about 40 are Fenders. Mostly Strats and Teles.

I get:

- 'all original'...no so-called 'upgrades' that lower the value'
- always 'used'.
- always locally purchased and I play them ahead of buying
- no deluxe. custom models, etc...bad investment unless great price.

-best Fender bargains are in locally sold lesser known models. For example in the last year I picked up an Aerodyne for $200, a tie-dyed Hippie Strat for $200 and A Tele TC-90 for $245. On Ebay these would fetch at least double because there are buyers who know what they are. I also just enjoy having lesser known Fenders.

I've never paid more than $650 for an American Strat or $250 for a Mexican. I tend to buy Strats because of price price but also like to have a variety of colors. My wife likes to line them up on their rocker stands in some color pattern. she doesn't like me selling a Strat until I get another one of the same color. Guitars come up all the time for sale so I'm patient. I know what price i can resell a guitar for if I decide to

Bottom line...I have all my guitars on rocker multiple stands...all in playable condition so I can grab one at any time and start jamming.


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Post subject: Re: if you collect, how do you discriminate?
Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 5:59 pm
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ZZDoc wrote:
sikoniko wrote:
for those of you that have been collecting since the early 90's, what made you go with custom shop over the real vintage guitars? I know in '99 I walked into a store in London and they must have had 5-6 pre-cbs strats priced around 2500 pounds. Interestingly enough, they also had a gretsch white falcon that was on consignment from entwistle at the time.

There's a consensus among some that the newer guitars are better built, having been tweeked to correct deficiencies noted in the earlier years...like....the 6th string on the early Strats which would fall off the fingerboard up around the 12th fret.


Interesting. Vintage strats will probably be out of reach, but a vintage jaguar is in reach. Based on your above post, are you saying you would rather order a CS jaguar instead of buying a vintage, even if they would end up about the same price?


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Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 2:14 am
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sikoniko wrote:
for those of you that have been collecting since the early 90's, what made you go with custom shop over the real vintage guitars? I know in '99 I walked into a store in London and they must have had 5-6 pre-cbs strats priced around 2500 pounds. Interestingly enough, they also had a gretsch white falcon that was on consignment from entwistle at the time.

There's a consensus among some that the newer guitars are better built, having been tweeked to correct deficiencies noted in the earlier years...like....the 6th string on the early Strats which would fall off the fingerboard up around the 12th fret.


Interesting. Vintage strats will probably be out of reach, but a vintage jaguar is in reach. Based on your above post, are you saying you would rather order a CS jaguar instead of buying a vintage, even if they would end up about the same price?


You need to play both and make your mind up. If you're buying for investment, get a vintage job. If you're buying for an instrument you want to play and cherish, get something newer... in my opinion. I've played all sorts of older guitars, and a lot of them sucked. The '62 Strat I got my mits on, a real one, was honestly utterly... utterly... crap. Sounded OK, but felt like a bag of $@!&. Also tried out a '73, that was even worse! Then there was the '70 Tele... that was also just not a great guitar. It really disappointed me because I'd been led to believe that these things were the holy grails of guitars... and they just weren't.

Anyhoo, I'm interested to know what reasons you'd start collecting... my small collection is comprised of guitars that sing when played, and feel like butter. Also, they have to be HSS Strats, and they also have to 'feel' right. Sometimes you just know when a guitar's right for your collection.

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Post subject: Re: if you collect, how do you discriminate?
Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 4:36 am
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You need to play both and make your mind up. If you're buying for investment, get a vintage job. If you're buying for an instrument you want to play and cherish, get something newer... in my opinion. I've played all sorts of older guitars, and a lot of them sucked. The '62 Strat I got my mits on, a real one, was honestly utterly... utterly... crap. Sounded OK, but felt like a bag of $@!&. Also tried out a '73, that was even worse! Then there was the '70 Tele... that was also just not a great guitar. It really disappointed me because I'd been led to believe that these things were the holy grails of guitars... and they just weren't.


I've heard that before. Unfortunately, I most likely would not be able to play either before making a decision to purchase. custom shop doesnt make many jaguars and there aren't any vintage shops close by anymore... except guitar center which has a sunburst jag...but for whatever reason I hate sunburst on a jaguar... I want LPB, sherwood green or fiesta red...


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Anyhoo, I'm interested to know what reasons you'd start collecting... my small collection is comprised of guitars that sing when played, and feel like butter. Also, they have to be HSS Strats, and they also have to 'feel' right. Sometimes you just know when a guitar's right for your collection.


For me it started out by wanting different guitars. les paul, sg, prs, strat... When I was a kid I had to sell one guitar to buy another and I wanted to re-acquire some of those guitars I had parted with.

I had quit playing my strat when I was in a band and exclusively played my prs. then I quit playing all together for about 8 years. then my son was born and I wanted to start playing again. I wanted to go back and learn theory and technique that I had always shunned in the past. so I went back to my roots with a strat.

basically, the two guitarists that have made an impression on me were joe perry (aerosmith) and john frusciante (rhcp). I kinda wanted to get guitars that honor them. In the process, I think I've found my own style without realizing it - black. I have a black 57 CS, black 60 CS, and a black '69 CS getting delivered at the end of the month. I also have a black LP, a black PRS, a black Jim Root strat (for fun) and a black '60 tele CS.

Originally, I thought I would buy a '62 reissue and a '57 reissue and then get a nice '59 LP and an es-335. well... 5 CS strats later and I am still buying strats and not interested in the gibsons yet...

You guys have helped me get some purpose though. I'm hoping my next two strats will be the last 2.. yeah right. I'd like to find a '57 fullerton and a '54 masterbuilt. I need to take my time though. We have a new member coming to the family next month and I need to slow down.


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Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 6:48 am
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"Interesting. Vintage strats will probably be out of reach, but a vintage jaguar is in reach. Based on your above post, are you saying you would rather order a CS jaguar instead of buying a vintage, even if they would end up about the same price?[/quote]

Because of the affordable price of vintage Jaguars, the FCS might not do such as a CS except if you do ask for that

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Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 9:11 am
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These 'oldies' are not necessarily all 'goodies'. The variability in quality control back then has been spoken of and, it seems to me that each piece would have to be judged on the merits. You, of course, already understand that.

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Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 11:30 am
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These 'oldies' are not necessarily all 'goodies'. The variability in quality control back then has been spoken of and, it seems to me that each piece would have to be judged on the merits. You, of course, already understand that.


True. A 2011 Squier Affinity sounds and play better than my first guitar, a 1971 Strotocaster. Fender has 40 years of further technology to work with. My brother-in-law has more precise machine tooling capability in his converted barn than NASA had to build parts for the Apollo missions.


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Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 1:34 am
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I had quit playing my strat when I was in a band and exclusively played my prs. then I quit playing all together for about 8 years. then my son was born and I wanted to start playing again. I wanted to go back and learn theory and technique that I had always shunned in the past. so I went back to my roots with a strat.

basically, the two guitarists that have made an impression on me were joe perry (aerosmith) and john frusciante (rhcp). I kinda wanted to get guitars that honor them. In the process, I think I've found my own style without realizing it - black. I have a black 57 CS, black 60 CS, and a black '69 CS getting delivered at the end of the month. I also have a black LP, a black PRS, a black Jim Root strat (for fun) and a black '60 tele CS.

Originally, I thought I would buy a '62 reissue and a '57 reissue and then get a nice '59 LP and an es-335. well... 5 CS strats later and I am still buying strats and not interested in the gibsons yet...

You guys have helped me get some purpose though. I'm hoping my next two strats will be the last 2.. yeah right. I'd like to find a '57 fullerton and a '54 masterbuilt. I need to take my time though. We have a new member coming to the family next month and I need to slow down.


That's very interesting- up until 3 months ago, all I played was my PRS. I had it for around 6 years, and it never was superseded by any other guitar. Once I finished my education, I suddenly realised, to my amazement and horror, that it did me no favours as a player. It went on the wall, and I dusted off the Strat I had since I first started playing electric (an American Deluxe, I don't do things by halves. :P ). Immediately, I felt my playing become more accurate, interesting and innovative, compared to what I used to do (leaned on effects for new sounds). How creepy. :P

Why would you get guitars that honour people? What have they done to earn your place like that..? Personally, I would never touch an artist guitar or buy a guitar because it looked like one someone had used. I used to own a JEM7 and a JS1000, each time I gigged them some arsewipe would ask me if I could do them The Attitude Song or Satch Boogie... I never gigged either of them again, and then sold them. Just my $0.02.

It sounds to me as if you are a Strat player through and through, with occasional meanderings into the PRS/Gibson world. I wouldn't worry about just buying Strats. They're extremely collectable guitars... I'd say stick with buying Fenders, if you want to collect. And yes, with the impending arrival from the stork, you may want to get it out the way..! :lol:

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Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 4:25 am
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Bear in mind that the Clapton neck carve and and active electronics were exclusive to that guitar in the Fender line and to no other, until the Buddy Guy model. In my preference for V-necks, that was the one, the best damn neck the company ever produced, followed by the neck on the more relatively recent '57VHR and, of course, their generic 10/56 which goes on everything V-neck. [I, like you, retired two PRS's, in my case, in favor of the neck carves the Fender line offered.] It's not necessarily the 'artist' per se but the 'something special' which might be offered in a particular run, that attracts the buyer. The incredible workmanship on the Mayer '83''s which not one owner in these pages had decried as not being a player's guitar, or the paint finishes on the last Clapton LTD run.

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Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 4:58 am
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That's very interesting- up until 3 months ago, all I played was my PRS. I had it for around 6 years, and it never was superseded by any other guitar. Once I finished my education, I suddenly realised, to my amazement and horror, that it did me no favours as a player. It went on the wall, and I dusted off the Strat I had since I first started playing electric (an American Deluxe, I don't do things by halves. :P ). Immediately, I felt my playing become more accurate, interesting and innovative, compared to what I used to do (leaned on effects for new sounds). How creepy. :P


when i was in a band our inspiration was more along the lines of tool/a perfect circle and the strat didnt fit that style of playing. i find that type of music easy - and very natural to play. i too like to add effects, mostly delay when playing clean.

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Why would you get guitars that honour people? What have they done to earn your place like that..? Personally, I would never touch an artist guitar or buy a guitar because it looked like one someone had used. I used to own a JEM7 and a JS1000, each time I gigged them some arsewipe would ask me if I could do them The Attitude Song or Satch Boogie... I never gigged either of them again, and then sold them. Just my $0.02.


well, since the only "artist" model i have is the jim root, i've never been backed into a corner like you were. i traded my '74 marshall super bass for it because my friend tunes in C and i didnt have any guitars i wanted to drop to that tuning. so i got it and tuned it down.

if it wasnt for a sound someone else to made and a desire to recreate that sound, i would have no frame of reference on where to begin. so i started with the artist that inspired me.

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It sounds to me as if you are a Strat player through and through, with occasional meanderings into the PRS/Gibson world. I wouldn't worry about just buying Strats. They're extremely collectable guitars... I'd say stick with buying Fenders, if you want to collect. And yes, with the impending arrival from the stork, you may want to get it out the way..! :lol:


You're not the first to say I am a strat player. The thing I like about the strat is it challenges me. I've been collecting and listening/studying all of these great albums, but for me, the best it gets is the guitar playing and tone on red hot chili peppers album blood sugar sex magick. i just love everything about it. the funk style is always fun but I love the rawness of the playing.

I've been focusing on playing the blues, because its not easy. as a guitar player i naturally always want to be playing. i find it harder to take pauses and for me thats what I love about the strat. it forces me to pause between phrases. its awesome. amazing. beautiful. everything i love about playing. its like an extension of me. i dont like clutter and i dont like too much. its all about doing more with less... and when you pause and hit that note on the backbeat... thats the note that sends the hairs on the back of my neck standing.


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