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Post subject: Re: urban legend?
Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 8:02 am
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alainlafrance wrote:
Thanks for the suggestion.

Photos have been taken from various angles vis a vis of the spots and from the grey background, hence some slight variations in light but not in colours.
Photos are taken in RAW then eventually processed through Photoshop.


Salut Alain

Good. If you have the RAWs you can still work on the color. The best is if you always put these little color-strips next to the guitar. So you can always have a reference for 100% black and 100% white. Make sure you have a controlled light situation, i.e. no daylight. It's the light that makes the difference in color, light is not only the brightness of a picture.

I have the same problem taking photos of my Surf Green Stratocaster. Really difficult to catch it.

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Post subject: Re: urban legend?
Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 9:44 am
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Hi David,
There was no daylight, only studio direct and backward spots.
But difficult to catch a Strat without light reflections because of the curves of the body, so I had to have a large background black cloth behind my camera to minimize those in order to position my camera in different angles.+

I'm not in my main home so I cannot show a picture on how I proceeded.
I'll see with those little color-strips.
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Post subject: Re: urban legend?
Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:25 am
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Bonsoir Alain

If you have the RAWs you can pretty much define the color that will come out in the JPG.

But you need to have a reference. And this works only if you use calibration color strips next to the guitar. Then you know "aha, this red has turned into this red and now if I change it to what it's supposed to be, we're there." If you have no reference in the picture, it's going to be a wild guess.

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Post subject: Re: urban legend?
Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 1:42 pm
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Amerigo wrote:
Bonsoir Alain

If you have the RAWs you can pretty much define the color that will come out in the JPG.

But you need to have a reference. And this works only if you use calibration color strips next to the guitar. Then you know "aha, this red has turned into this red and now if I change it to what it's supposed to be, we're there." If you have no reference in the picture, it's going to be a wild guess.

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I'll try that for sure when back home,
Thanks for the tip
Some more home work but worth if I follow you :wink:

You can imagine how long it takes and how many shots you need before reaching what we expect from our site, and still room for improvement as you suggest...

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Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 12:49 am
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alainlafrance wrote:
You can imagine how long it takes and how many shots you need before reaching what we expect from our site, and still room for improvement as you suggest...


Yes, I know all this (been there). It's really worth going the extra mile for a reference website like guitarmotel.com

Do you have friends with professional experience in this subject? Maybe you find someone who can help you set up the photobooth perfectly. I totally love your pics already, don't want to miss telling you this!

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Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 4:43 am
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Amerigo wrote:
alainlafrance wrote:
You can imagine how long it takes and how many shots you need before reaching what we expect from our site, and still room for improvement as you suggest...


Yes, I know all this (been there). It's really worth going the extra mile for a reference website like guitarmotel.com

Do you have friends with professional experience in this subject? Maybe you find someone who can help you set up the photobooth perfectly. I totally love your pics already, don't want to miss telling you this!

Bonne journée

David


Yes I do, one of main collectors has a pro experience in photo.
If you see flawless photos, that's him :wink:

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Post subject: Re: urban legend?
Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 7:08 am
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If you read it on the Internet, it must be true. :lol:


Where did you hear this?


I think I read it in the newspaper. :lol:

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Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 9:19 am
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bluesky636 wrote:
ToxtethOGrady wrote:
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If you read it on the Internet, it must be true. :lol:


Where did you hear this?


I think I read it in the newspaper. :lol:


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Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 4:59 pm
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Its interesting how lighting can make a color deceptive. Look at sherwood green/ocean turquoise/ lake placid blue. When the clear coat on LPB greens it looks nearly identical to ocean turquoise. And the try to capture those colors in a picture and it can be anyones guess what you are actually looking at!


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Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 2:36 pm
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this is a very interesting thread. ive played numerous CS guitars right back to the original 80s guitars. i also own several, including a cunetto relic, a may99 built 60 relic (made during the transition period), and a later model (2003) 56 relic. without making sweeping generalisations, but in my personal experience taken from the instruments i own i would have to say that the latest guitar is certainly the 'least great'..the kluson machines are cheap japanese repros that are very shoddy quality and WILL NOT stay in tune. the internals have had to be replaced on 2 machines but the others now have so much free play..also the relicing is not as authentic..the body is a heavy relic but is very clumsy in comparison to the other 2..also there was no checking or rusting on the parts so the woodwork and metal looked totally mismatched. as such i rusted the parts myself and used freeze spray to check the surface finish (ive built guitars as a hobby for many years so wasnt a complete newb!!)..
when visiting dealers, and viewing instruments on ebay most of the relic guitars do not seem to have the attention to detail of the older guitars.
the earlier guitars i own are superb, aesthically its very hard to choose between the cunetto and the pre time machine relic. i love all 3 of these guitars, but in my view the later ones, whilst still playing great, are not quite as 'special' as the earlier guitars.


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Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 5:48 am
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Your opinion, but I don't share it.
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Post subject: Re: urban legend?
Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 1:52 am
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I cannot speak for I am not a customshop owner (oneday I will!!) , but I suspect that this 90's vs. 00's vs. Present Day- or Page vs. Cunetto argument is going to become a very subjective one in many years to come.. I can see it a mile wide :)

One thing however talking colours, is that apart from the limiteds and the one-offs.. it would be nice to see the CS get more trigger happy and adventurous with the spray booth. What I mean, is that for the regular run models like the custom deluxe, is that every month they rollout different colours to mix them up a bit like Charvel did a while back with the San Dimas range. For example, during the year of 1994, the regular Am std strats were rolled out in very limited colours with matching headstocks- every month batch of different colours untill discontinued- then another lot of colours was used the next month. month in, month out till the years end. leaving a trail of colourful range of models that over time leading to inconsistensies that fender are historically renowned for :idea: :idea:

It would be fantastic to see that happen as BAU for the Custom Deluxe and the Pro models. It would be a great thing to have buyers of these instruments not only feel that they get a more personal touch than regular line, but in its own way has a kind of 'Limitedness' to it, if you will. :) As it stands, I can only see 3 Colour Sunburst, Candy Red, and Candy Blue offered..

So yeah, the answer is 'Order & specify!' or 'we can make it for you' yet the reality is, the wait time would put me off.. possibly others too. If the above said was rolled out and put into stores, this would throw new life (not saying that they need it! they are well spec'd!!) into the range, and possibly reduce wait time on the orders that do specify certain colours.. :idea:

Not intending to offer critisism but I do scratch my head when I see more palette in the American std line... :?

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Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 7:43 am
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Its interesting how lighting can make a color deceptive. Look at sherwood green/ocean turquoise/ lake placid blue. When the clear coat on LPB greens it looks nearly identical to ocean turquoise. And the try to capture those colors in a picture and it can be anyones guess what you are actually looking at!



Have the same issue trying to capture the color of my pewter Jaguar. Sometime looks like Charcoal Frost. But if you ever watch Clapton's vids of his pewter and EC Grey guitars, it's all in the angle of the light. Sometimes they look lick Silver mist, a slight turn, and they look almost black. It's a cool effect on stage but a real b(&ch to capture on film (or sensor.)

And while I am at it, the OP eluded to something that might be termed "truth in advertising" or accuracy of vintage specs. My jag was built from a desire to have an "American Vintage 62 Jaguar" in a color they stopped producing (presumably due to lack of sales.) I was told that getting one of those colors would require running the guitar through the Custom Shop. OK, well, that means that my Jaguar, in a color other than sunburst, black or olympic white, would get the full Custom shop treatment (neck, frets, etc..) So I decided why not go for a special color that was never used on a production Jaguar, pewter. I also asked them to pay "special attention to bridge" because I don't want issues with that. FCS installed a Buzz Stop (which I would have done.) To get to the point, the COA describes it as a " '62 NOS Jaguar" NOT "American Vintage 62 Jaguar", due to color, pickguard choice, and Buzz Stop. And this is fine with me because it technically is no longer an accurate reproduction of the '62 Jag. I still have the Showcase Dealer's photos which clearly show the Buzz Stop. I do wish the Custom Shop had taken some to show that they installed that cool item. Doesn't matter, I'm not selling it anyhow. It's way better than the production '66 jag that I owned in the old days.

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Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 2:14 pm
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I belong to a bunch of online guitar forums so I've also seen the debates on this subject but to me, it seemed like there was this attitude of, "Back in the '90s when I bought a Custom Shop guitar the shop was new and everything was handcrafted by a small group of master luthiers. Now they're churning out tons of guitars every day, the quality is down..." It's just like the people who gloat about having bought a vintage Fender or Gibson back in the '70s and '80s when the prices were way down.


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Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 10:53 am
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The earliest Custom Shop are best than actuals models.

By the way. My custom shop Cimarron red.

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