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Post subject: Re: is it wrong to buy a custom shop and change the pickups?
Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 2:34 pm
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I thought the Custom Shop was all about ordering what YOU wanted?


sure... if you want to wait. If you want something now you take what is available in someones inventory.


OK, so why take what you don't want for the price of something you do want?
It's not like you don't have any guitars...

What am I missing here?

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Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 3:46 pm
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tyronne wrote:
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I thought the Custom Shop was all about ordering what YOU wanted?


sure... if you want to wait. If you want something now you take what is available in someones inventory.


OK, so why take what you don't want for the price of something you do want?
It's not like you don't have any guitars...

What am I missing here?


OK, I'll rephrase my initial question... is the desire to have different pickups in a custom shop enough of a reason to pass it up and do a custom order if all else is something you like?

The way I see it, I have a 10/56 neck, a 57 soft-V, two 60's necks, and a '69 U neck on order (and one on lay-away). I could complete my set by getting a strat with a 65 neck from the custom shop order sheet of vintage options. I like the color. I don't mind the 6105's on it or 9.5 radius, though not my peference and since I already have 2 guitars w/ fat 50's (technically 1 1/3 because the NAMM only has a middle fat-50), I would just swap the pickups out to get something different. Since I can't order custom shop '65s to my knowledge, I could get the antiquity's, which a player I have enjoyed from a very young age has those same pickups in his real vintage guitars.

Technically, we could argue that I need to get a '54 reissue, and I would argue that a '57 V with rosewood slab would better describe the '59s that I have played than the '60s C shape necks FCS typically puts on a '59... And I might go for those at some point... then again, I've played a 58 with a neck similar to my '60s C necks too... guess thats what happens when people hand shape them...


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Post subject: Re: is it wrong to buy a custom shop and change the pickups?
Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 1:20 am
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sikoniko wrote:
OK, I'll rephrase my initial question... is the desire to have different pickups in a custom shop enough of a reason to pass it up and do a custom order if all else is something you like?


IMO...If I found, a custom shop guitar that really felt good in my hands that was equipped with pickups I wasn't fond of I would not let that sway my decision. Especially considering that you're dealing with what dealers have in stock at any given moment.
I agree that swapping the pickups and pickguard as an assembly is a good idea as well.

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Post subject: Re: is it wrong to buy a custom shop and change the pickups?
Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 2:06 am
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Dan, I have a question for you: is "tone" important for you, or is it just the collection of different strats?

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Post subject: Re: is it wrong to buy a custom shop and change the pickups?
Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 7:45 am
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Dan, I have a question for you: is "tone" important for you, or is it just the collection of different strats?

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I have thought about this question and I am afraid I cannot give you a straight answer. If all strats were created equal tone wise within a certain spec, then I could easily say that I wanted to enjoy each model from each respected year and appreciate the nuances and variations respectibly.

since they are not... it makes it more difficult to say that I am doing anything other than accumulating a collection of different strats. What I dont want is another guitar that sounds like one I already have in a rosewood neck... which is why I want different pickups.


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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 8:11 am
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sikoniko wrote:
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Dan, I have a question for you: is "tone" important for you, or is it just the collection of different strats?

Cheers

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I have thought about this question and I am afraid I cannot give you a straight answer. If all strats were created equal tone wise within a certain spec, then I could easily say that I wanted to enjoy each model from each respected year and appreciate the nuances and variations respectibly.

since they are not... it makes it more difficult to say that I am doing anything other than accumulating a collection of different strats. What I dont want is another guitar that sounds like one I already have in a rosewood neck... which is why I want different pickups.


Fair but there is a lot of choice from the FCS

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Post subject: Re: is it wrong to buy a custom shop and change the pickups?
Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 8:52 am
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alainlafrance wrote:
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Dan, I have a question for you: is "tone" important for you, or is it just the collection of different strats?

Cheers

David



I have thought about this question and I am afraid I cannot give you a straight answer. If all strats were created equal tone wise within a certain spec, then I could easily say that I wanted to enjoy each model from each respected year and appreciate the nuances and variations respectibly.

since they are not... it makes it more difficult to say that I am doing anything other than accumulating a collection of different strats. What I dont want is another guitar that sounds like one I already have in a rosewood neck... which is why I want different pickups.


Fair but there is a lot of choice from the FCS


Hi Alain. When you say there is a lot of choice, would you elaborate? If I could purchase '65 pickups from CS, I would chose to do that as my preference. That way it would be a '65 neck and '65 pickups, with the '65 headstock sticker, which is what differentiates itself from the other years... but since I can't buy '65 pickups to my knowledge, I have to either custom build a guitar, find one elsewhere, or swap out pickups. The reason for going with this is I have a good relationship with this dealer and prefer to give him my business.


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Post subject: Re: is it wrong to buy a custom shop and change the pickups?
Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 9:15 am
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If it were me faced with this quandary, I would just pass on that guitar, unless it was something "really" special. It doesn't tick all the boxes for you.
You don't "have" to buy it from your dealer just because you get a good deal. Wait for the right one to come along!
It isn't as though you are short of good guitars! :)


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Post subject: Re: is it wrong to buy a custom shop and change the pickups?
Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 9:42 am
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Butterscotch wrote:
If it were me faced with this quandary, I would just pass on that guitar, unless it was something "really" special. It doesn't tick all the boxes for you.
You don't "have" to buy it from your dealer just because you get a good deal. Wait for the right one to come along!
It isn't as though you are short of good guitars! :)


Just also my opinion :)

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Post subject: Re: is it wrong to buy a custom shop and change the pickups?
Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 10:53 am
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If I find guitar that feels like butter in my hands, resonates wonderfully, etc and in budget or I can work a great price from dealer- I buy it and my last question to dealer or concern is what pickups are loaded in guitar from FCS - don't even need to hear guitar plugged in.

Pickups cost $200-$300.00 (soooo cheap) for most Fenders pickups via retail or e-bay and of course you have Lollar, Fralin, etc. This is a easy change without hurting guitar or re-sale value if decided to sell - just drop orignal p/u's back in. Some guitars respond to same pickups differently, so I don't put that much emphasis on it until I hear through my gear -I prefer to play guitar at expense of pulling pickups then ordering an unplayed guitar with what I think is correct pickups that might end up not sounding good on that piece of wood.

Example: Pulled hand wound Abbey's for a set of Lollars and on another custom shop, I planned on yanking CS60's, but after hearing through my gear was smoother tone than I anticapated -left them in...bonus is how I see it in this case, not by any means my basis for purchase.

Sorry for long winded thought.


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Post subject: Re: is it wrong to buy a custom shop and change the pickups?
Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 11:03 am
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sikoniko wrote:
I have thought about this question and I am afraid I cannot give you a straight answer. If all strats were created equal tone wise within a certain spec, then I could easily say that I wanted to enjoy each model from each respected year and appreciate the nuances and variations respectibly.

since they are not... it makes it more difficult to say that I am doing anything other than accumulating a collection of different strats. What I dont want is another guitar that sounds like one I already have in a rosewood neck... which is why I want different pickups.


No straight answer means you have really thought about it.

I just wanted to say that if you change pickups in a strat, you never know what you're getting. And to make it even more difficult, pickups have variations too.

But I'm sure you know all that.

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Post subject: Re: is it wrong to buy a custom shop and change the pickups?
Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 11:16 am
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"since they are not... it makes it more difficult to say that I am doing anything other than accumulating a collection of different strats. What I dont want is another guitar that sounds like one I already have in a rosewood neck... which is why I want different pickups".

That being said, many here might argue, but outside of neck size, for the most part I only hear very minimal differences in my Strats with same fretboard wood even with different pickups. Not a huge difference and many say I sound the same on all my Strats regardless of neck wood or pickups, etc.....my reply, maybe, but that guitar feels different that one, etc and makes me play differently - so it's different.

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Post subject: Re: is it wrong to buy a custom shop and change the pickups?
Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 12:46 pm
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sikoniko my remark was just a little sarcasim. Sorry for not putting a little smiley there but I wouldn,t think you would take me serious about sending me a set of Abby wound pickups. Sorry for me making an assumption.


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Post subject: Re: is it wrong to buy a custom shop and change the pickups?
Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 8:40 am
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tbazzone wrote:
sikoniko my remark was just a little sarcasim. Sorry for not putting a little smiley there but I wouldn,t think you would take me serious about sending me a set of Abby wound pickups. Sorry for me making an assumption.


thanks.


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Post subject: Re: is it wrong to buy a custom shop and change the pickups?
Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 8:44 am
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Thanks guys for your input. You've helped me consider guitars I decide to buy.

At this point, I am leaning towards guitars I buy off the shelf will be limited editions that peak my interest only.

If I am looking for a guitar with specific spec's, such as '65 neck shape, i will do a custom order and go vintage correct, though I tend to like quartersawn necks...

My original interest in the custom shop was that I can't afford vintage strats, and this is as close as i can get, plus not all vintage instruments are good players, so by going FCS I am hoping for more consistency in getting a good player and representation of the different model years of vintage strats. It would seem that I have let GAS take me off my original course, and this thread has helped me to get back to my original goals. thanks guys!


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