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Post subject: is it wrong to buy a custom shop and change the pickups?
Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 4:21 pm
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I'm thinking about buying a '65 custom shop but it has fat '50s in it. I'm on the fence whether I would want to keep those pickups in it. I have read great things about the seymour duncan antiquity IIs and have thought about throwing those in it instead. Something seems wrong about spending this much on a guitar and still swapping pickups. Am I crazy? anyone try the antiquity IIs that could comment? I like the fat '50s but I don't know if I want a '65 to sound like a '50s guitar...

I have read the John Frusciante uses the Seymour duncan Antiquity IIs and this might be a good candidate to throw them in and play with since he has such a great tone.


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Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 5:47 pm
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Once you buy it, it's yours, do with it as you please. If you don't like the pickups you probably wouldn't play it much and then that kind of defeats the purpose right? You could also order the guitar with different pups from the CS. And I believe they'll install pretty much anything you want.

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Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 6:32 pm
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Get it and play it awhile before you decide to change them


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Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 11:57 pm
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And if you change, it's a good idea to have a complete pickguard with all the new pickups. But don't rush things, you really have to get the sound into your ears before you start tinkering.

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Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 12:34 am
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Yes, as said above, make sure the pick ups are to be blamed for a sound you haven't heard yet. :roll:

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Post subject: Re: is it wrong to buy a custom shop and change the pickups?
Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 2:13 am
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Is it one of the "Master Design" Mark Kendrick '65s? These were outfitted with Fat '50s. Or, more exactly, two Fat '50s and a flat pole-piece Texas Special in the bridge. Middle pup is reverse wound. AFAIK, all other '65 Time Machines have '65 pups fitted, and I have one of those and they are sweet sounding pickups.

As said above, I would not rush to change the pickups, particularly if it happens to be a Kendrick!


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Post subject: Re: is it wrong to buy a custom shop and change the pickups?
Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 4:41 am
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Is it one of the "Master Design" Mark Kendrick '65s? These were outfitted with Fat '50s. Or, more exactly, two Fat '50s and a flat pole-piece Texas Special in the bridge. Middle pup is reverse wound. AFAIK, all other '65 Time Machines have '65 pups fitted, and I have one of those and they are sweet sounding pickups.

As said above, I would not rush to change the pickups, particularly if it happens to be a Kendrick!


I don't think it's one of the 65 MKs, they never surface...

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Post subject: Re: is it wrong to buy a custom shop and change the pickups?
Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 8:24 am
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alainlafrance wrote:
Yes, as said above, make sure the pick ups are to be blamed for a sound you haven't heard yet. :roll:



well.. I havent heard this guitar, but that doesn't mean I haven't heard fat 50's. I have 2 CS strats w/ fat 50's in them already, both based on '57 strats and one set are Abby handwound.


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Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 10:14 am
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Change the 57 with the Abby wound P/U's and I'll take them off your hands.


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Post subject: Re: is it wrong to buy a custom shop and change the pickups?
Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 11:18 am
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tbazzone wrote:
Change the 57 with the Abby wound P/U's and I'll take them off your hands.


that is rather condescending... do you take me for a fool? :roll: if this was meant to be sarcasm you should follow-up with a smiley...

My point isn't so much that I am considering to change pickups from a guitar I buy, but does it make sense to buy a custom shop if i am thinking about replacing the pickups out the gate - especially when it is a custom shop to begin with?

I dont understand why people are being anything less than helpful. I've bought 6 custom shops in the last 8 months. I wouldnt make that much of an investment without doing my homework first. If I bought an american standard or MIM and decided to change the pickups out big deal. Since I COULD have fender MAKE me a guitar and put the pickups in it I want from the beginning is the question I have...

Do I buy something I can get off the shelf and replace the pickups, because it might be fun to do and get a different sound, but lose the money that is invested in the pickups in the guitar already or get little value in trade-in, or do I buy the pickups I want in the gutiar, send them to the custom shop and have a guitar built around that, but have to wait 6 months?

Those are my options. The trouble I have with swapping the pickups out is it feels somewhat sacreligious. Where I find little concern over it is that the guitar is a '65 w/ fat 50's, 9.5 radius, and 6105 frets, so it isnt trying to be vintage correct... its vintage hot-modded reissue...

from a re-sale perspective, would I lose any value in swapping out the pickups? I dont see that teambuilt guitars hold their value anyways. Most guitars that sell new for $3500+ I see on ebay and on used shelves for around $2000... so should I even care about resale? I don't know. I have tried to keep all the new guitars I buy, but I have been known to swap things out...

and if I did swap the pickups, would anyone know? They would have to send the guitar back to fender for authentication, which I doubt any buyer would do on an off-the-shelf teambuilt. I can see someone considering that on one of Alains...

So, I have all my answers... and I didnt need your heckling, but I thought maybe you guys could give me some perspective I hadn't thought about... instead you found it better to take the path of sarcasm and uselessness.. thanks... :?

Perhaps if I introduced myself, it might help, instead of just entering into the thread and asking questions... I feel like you guys aren't taking me seriously.

My name is Dan. I live in the US and am in my mid-30's. I started playing when I was 12 but had quit the last 10 years when my band broke up and I lost the heart to play... too much drama. When my first son was born (20 months ago) I picked it back up. I had never learned theory or anything, just played off of watching other people and tab. Now, i am going back to the basics and learning to play. Its difficult because I know everything in these books, I just never commited to the memorization stuff (what notes are in what keys, quickly transition between scales, chord progressions, etc). So I can play, I just want to be better.

In the mean-time I have a bad case of GAS. Since last summer I have bought, in order:

'62 Jaguar thin-skin (not CS, but has matching headstock - OceanTurqoise)
'60 CS Tuxedo Black Tele Custom Relic
'61 Gibson SG Reissue
'60 3TSB Stratocaster Relic
'57 RoadShow HLE '57 Heavy Relic Strat
flat black Jim Root Stratocaster - for fun and something different
'62 3TSB Stratocaster NOS
'57 2007 NAMM Black Heavy Relic Stratocaster

I also have a '68 LE Burgandy Myst strat on lay-away and a '69 custom order that is due in the fall. Those don't include the guitars I have... I have a VERY accommodating wife... I'm very curious to see what FCS will do for next years anniversary of the '62 strat... if they do anything.. otherwise I'm looking for a Fiesta Red vintage correct '60 or '62 NOS or light relic after the '69 comes in. I'd post pic's but I'm not as good a photographer as you guys...

<rant>On another note, I find it very frustrating that fender and FCS has guitars out there that represent a year and are painted in a color that didnt exist in that year. For example, Ocean Turquoise didnt exist until '65.. the correct color would have been sherwood green. i wish I found that info prior to ordering. oh well, maybe I'll sell it off one day and get a custom shop. Another example is the dakota red that AMS has on a '56 strat relic... which the color didnt exist on the dupont color sheet until '59. </rant>


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Post subject: Re: is it wrong to buy a custom shop and change the pickups?
Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 11:34 am
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sikoniko wrote:
from a re-sale perspective, would I lose any value in swapping out the pickups?


That's the reason why I suggested to replace the whole pickguard. If you do it like this, you can swap back. As for your rant: if you are so sure about what is right and what is not, why do you even ask?

I fully understand your search for tone. There is no need for justification.

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Post subject: Re: is it wrong to buy a custom shop and change the pickups?
Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 12:10 pm
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Amerigo wrote:
sikoniko wrote:
from a re-sale perspective, would I lose any value in swapping out the pickups?


That's the reason why I suggested to replace the whole pickguard. If you do it like this, you can swap back. As for your rant: if you are so sure about what is right and what is not, why do you even ask?

I fully understand your search for tone. There is no need for justification.

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Thanks for your comment. It is definately something to think about.

In regards to your comment on my rant, I dont mind that FCS makes any combination of any guitar. I think that is the point of FCS. My point is, if it is not "vintage correct" at least identify it in the product description so the buyer is informed. Gibson does this. for example http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Gibson-Custom-Refin-HotMod-1955-Les-Paul-Wraptail-Electric-Guitar?sku=H68276.


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Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 12:57 pm
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I ended up replacing the CS '69s I ordered with my CS '71 Strat because I wasn't getting the sound I was after with them. So, no, I don't think it's wrong to change the pickups on a CS guitar. Now if mine was a vintage '71 instead...that would be a different thing IMO.
I put Seymour Duncan SSL-1s instead of the '69s and I believe they sound a lot closer to what I was expecting to hear in a guitar from that period. I'd like to check out the antiquities too...


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Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 1:28 pm
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I thought the Custom Shop was all about ordering what YOU wanted?

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Post subject: Re: is it wrong to buy a custom shop and change the pickups?
Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 1:51 pm
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tyronne wrote:
I thought the Custom Shop was all about ordering what YOU wanted?


sure... if you want to wait. If you want something now you take what is available in someones inventory.


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