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Post subject: Re: Any John Mayer's Blck 1 500 Left?
Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 11:05 am
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I don't think we can give a lot of credit to Mayer's observation when he says the black 1 500 has the heart and sould of the black 1, I mean come on, it's really not fair to compare a 10K custom shop master built guitar versus a limited production model; what one can DO is enjoy them both for what they are and have tons of fun with it;

I WILL do the testings and post my findings as soon as the Blck1 500 gets to me.

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Post subject: Re: Any John Mayer's Blck 1 500 Left?
Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 11:10 am
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So, just so I'm up to speed here...

You're saying we can't trust John Mayer, but we CAN trust you?

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Post subject: Re: Any John Mayer's Blck 1 500 Left?
Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 11:39 am
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Mike Eldred - Fender wrote:
So, just so I'm up to speed here...

You're saying we can't trust John Mayer, but we CAN trust you?

ME


+1 :lol:

Regarding the few fixes I needed for my BLK1, I was sent a new case, sent the old one back, and I sent in my COA, and they sent it back in perfect condition. The Custom Shop has great customer service, please give kudos to all those in the CS ME.

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Post subject: Re: Any John Mayer's Blck 1 500 Left?
Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 1:22 pm
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Post subject: Re: Any John Mayer's Blck 1 500 Left?
Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 1:28 pm
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So, just so I'm up to speed here...You're saying we can't trust John Mayer, but we CAN trust you? ME


Precisely what 'the heart and soul of the Black One' means to Mayer constitutes a majority of one, and is strictly personal to him. Here you have a Forum Member as well as a dedicated consumer, who has invested not only time, but considerable funds to acquire one of each of the guitars, the evolution of which, was so hotly contested in these pages over many months, to satisfy his interest and curiosity. He's already familiar with the Artist Series Mayer and has compared it to the SRV, and I might suggest why he had chosen to do so, but will not explore that further at this time.

There has been much talk that the '500' are not far different from the aforementioned and Stipes, from what he has written, is pretty much within his right to expect much more from each of Cruz's magnficently wrought creations that what the Custom Shop produced in larger numbers, and the production line, in even far larger. We all understand how personal a relationship develops between a player and his guitar and it is different for each of us, so it will be with Stipes, as it already is with Mayer. There's a whole cadre of Forum members, fresh from the frays of last year, chomping at the bit to learn what Stipe's personal impressions are of these two instruments side by side. Aside from the pole-piece fiasco, the '83' have been deemed superlative by anyone who took the time to share with us. Not precisely so with the Black 1, however. There have been some unfortunate glitches in fit and finish which demanded redress.

I'm looking forward to that guitar reaching Mexico and what we can derive from Stipes having successfully pursued its acquisition. For that effort alone, me-thinks the Shop and and Company have a lot to be thankful for, and I'd not like to see him taken to task for expressing his personal opinions, considering all the laundry which has been washed and hung out to dry in this to date.

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Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 1:29 pm
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Post subject: Re: Any John Mayer's Blck 1 500 Left?
Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 1:55 pm
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Taken to task...?

"...I don't think we can give a lot of credit to Mayer's observation..."

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Post subject: Re: Any John Mayer's Blck 1 500 Left?
Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 3:30 pm
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Mike Eldred - Fender wrote:
So, just so I'm up to speed here...

You're saying we can't trust John Mayer, but we CAN trust you?

ME


I think the point Stipe is trying to make here is that it would be a rather salient conclusion if a production line 500 really captured the "heart and soul" of the original TBO or its 83 replicas. This basically means that a $ 1,500 guitar can nail the sound and playability of a $ 10k Masterbuilt axe... which almost makes JM's claim sound too good to be true... However, if a production line 500 DOES capture that "heart and soul", one might ask what justifies the insane price gap between both axes. So, for the sake of FCS, I hope JM's claim may be a little bit... how shall I put it... on the bright side.


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Post subject: Re: Any John Mayer's Blck 1 500 Left?
Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 3:35 pm
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Thank you Mike, I was just expressing my opinion I don't mean for it to be anything but just that; I meant no disrespect whatsoever; especially considering I profoundly admire what you do and the work of the custom shop; but I am entitled to say what's on my mind after so thoroughly pursuing the opportunity of owning both instruments and have a chance to A/B them.

After listening to the SB Edition (as it also has big dippers like the Black 1 500) I loved the sound of it but the quality and sound to my ears and touch (and this is again is just my opinion) are far away from the 83 (when refering to Mayer's comment of heart and sould of the black one); and they should when one considers (i) the pickups are different; (ii) finishes are different; (iii) builders are different, (iv) wear is different; and (v) there is close to a 9k difference between both guitars. This is not to say the Black 1/500 is not a great quality instrument; it's just not in the same league.

But hey I'm sorry if any of my comments offended anyone and do apologize if they did. After all I'm just here to learn from all of you guys and pick up what I can.

Thank you Doc for your e-mail, thank you Alain, I will be posting my personal observations of both instruments back to back as soon as I get the Blck 1 500. Robert, thank you, you nailed that is exactly my point.

Kindest regards to everyone,

M.


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Post subject: Re: Any John Mayer's Blck 1 500 Left?
Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 3:39 pm
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Robert R. wrote:
Mike Eldred - Fender wrote:
So, just so I'm up to speed here...

You're saying we can't trust John Mayer, but we CAN trust you?

ME


I think the point Stipe is trying to make here is that it would be a rather salient conclusion if a production line 500 really captured the "heart and soul" of the original TBO or its 83 replicas. This basically means that a $ 1,500 guitar can nail the sound and playability of a $ 10k Masterbuilt axe... which almost makes JM's claim sound too good to be true... However, if a production line 500 DOES capture that "heart and soul", one might ask what justifies the insane price gap between both axes. So, for the sake of FCS, I hope JM's claim may be a little bit... how shall I put it... on the bright side.



So, you just defined "heart and soul" as "...means that a $ 1,500 guitar can nail the sound and playability of a $ 10k Masterbuilt axe..."

I don't think John meant that.

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Post subject: Re: Any John Mayer's Blck 1 500 Left?
Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 3:45 pm
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stipe_mills@hotmail.com wrote:
Thank you Mike, I was just expressing my opinion I don't mean for it to be anything but just that; I meant no disrespect whatsoever; especially considering I profoundly admire what you do and the work of the custom shop; but I am entitled to say what's on my mind after so thoroughly pursuing the opportunity of owning both instruments and have a chance to A/B them.

After listening to the SB Edition (as it also has big dippers like the Black 1 500) I loved the sound of it but the quality and sound to my ears and touch (and this is again is just my opinion) are far away from the 83 (when refering to Mayer's comment of heart and sould of the black one); and they should when one considers (i) the pickups are different; (ii) finishes are different; (iii) builders are different, (iv) wear is different; and (v) there is close to a 9k difference between both guitars. This is not to say the Black 1/500 is not a great quality instrument; it's just not in the same league.

But hey I'm sorry if any of my comments offended anyone and do apologize if they did. After all I'm just here to learn from all of you guys and pick up what I can.

Thank you Doc for your e-mail, thank you Alain, I will be posting my personal observations of both instruments back to back as soon as I get the Blck 1 500. Robert, thank you, you nailed that is exactly my point.

Kindest regards to everyone,

M.



NO! Don't read me wrong!!!
I'm not saying that you offended anybody.
You are "implying".
All I am doing is pointing out language...I call it "web-speak"

Somebody says something that is based on THEIR perspective, and not necessarily the true discussion or comment, and the next thing you know, "John Mayer said that this guitar was EXACTLY like the MB version". YOU said, "...I don't think we can give a lot of credit to Mayer's observation..." YOU should state WHY you feel that way first.

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Post subject: Re: Any John Mayer's Blck 1 500 Left?
Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 4:02 pm
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Mike Eldred - Fender wrote:
Robert R. wrote:
Mike Eldred - Fender wrote:
So, just so I'm up to speed here...

You're saying we can't trust John Mayer, but we CAN trust you?

ME


I think the point Stipe is trying to make here is that it would be a rather salient conclusion if a production line 500 really captured the "heart and soul" of the original TBO or its 83 replicas. This basically means that a $ 1,500 guitar can nail the sound and playability of a $ 10k Masterbuilt axe... which almost makes JM's claim sound too good to be true... However, if a production line 500 DOES capture that "heart and soul", one might ask what justifies the insane price gap between both axes. So, for the sake of FCS, I hope JM's claim may be a little bit... how shall I put it... on the bright side.



So, you just defined "heart and soul" as "...means that a $ 1,500 guitar can nail the sound and playability of a $ 10k Masterbuilt axe..."

I don't think John meant that.

ME


What is the "heart and soul" of a guitar? For me that is definitely sound and playability.


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Post subject: Re: Any John Mayer's Blck 1 500 Left?
Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 4:11 pm
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Hey Mike,

That quote came from a video where John is anouncing the release of the Black 1 /500 limited and he said "it has the absolute heart and soul of the Black 1" I disagree with this statement I believe (and yet I can and may be wrong pending a more thourough A/B of both guitars) that the guitar that can come close to that "heart and soul expression" is the 83 (if any guitar can) for the reasons stated in my previous post.

But again language is incredibly subjective and it is not my intention to state that Mayer is wrong in his statement; however that particular statement does not convince me as a player, a consumer, or a collector; yet I do love the sound of those pickups and bought the Blck 1 500 to A/B with the 83 and prove myself right or wrong and to own another great sounding guitar; that's pretty much it.

Cheers!

M.


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Post subject: Re: Any John Mayer's Blck 1 500 Left?
Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 4:28 pm
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stipe_mills@hotmail.com wrote:
Hey Mike,

That quote came from a video where John is anouncing the release of the Black 1 /500 limited and he said "it has the absolute heart and soul of the Black 1" I disagree with this statement I believe (and yet I can and may be wrong pending a more thourough A/B of both guitars) that the guitar that can come close to that "heart and soul expression" is the 83 (if any guitar can) for the reasons stated in my previous post.

But again language is incredibly subjective and it is not my intention to state that Mayer is wrong in his statement; however that particular statement does not convince me as a player, a consumer, or a collector; yet I do love the sound of those pickups and bought the Blck 1 500 to A/B with the 83 and prove myself right or wrong and to own another great sounding guitar; that's pretty much it.

Cheers!

M.


Yah! Just know that MY version of "heart and soul" of a guitar is probably different than yours.
That's the quandary here. One guy comes on and he defines "heart and soul" and that definition may not be what JM meant.

ME


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Post subject: Re: Any John Mayer's Blck 1 500 Left?
Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 4:33 pm
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Yes I understand and appreciate what you're saying; let's just say I differ to Mr. Mayer's opinion.
Thanks Mike!
M.


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