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Post subject: Vintage C vs. Modern C vs. Soft V
Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 3:27 pm
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So, I posted this question over in the stratocaster forum, but the answers gave me more questions. So I'll ask again here until I find a guitar shop where I can try the vintage C profiled neck.

I have terrible hands. My fingers are short and stubby in relation to the size of my palm, and I barely have thumbs to speak of :lol:

I have a 99 American Standard Strat, so needless to say, the larger nut width in combination with the neck profile makes playing with the thumb over the top a bit difficult. I am constantly finding myself having to improvise the way I play a lot of things due to this, and in return, my hands grow tired quicker than I'd like.

With this in mind, I've found the soft V neck in combination with the 7.25" radius and smaller nut width of the 50's Road Worn strats to be extremely comfortable. I purchased an American Standard 57 Reissue and discovered that the neck is more comfortable than my modern C neck but not as comfortable as the soft V of the Road Worn.

NOW, it seems as though I've found some evidence that the Vintage C is quite slimmer than the modern C. The question is, how much slimmer and how does this compare to the soft V in terms of thickness?

So for those who didn't want to bother reading my whole post here are the questions plain and simple:

How thick is the vintage C neck in comparison to the soft V and modern C neck?

Has anyone here played all three neck profiles that can comment on how they feel in the hand in relation to each other?

Anyone else here with short stubby fingers or small hands that can recommend which neck profile they're most comfortable with?


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Northern Bay Area. I am planning on ordering a customized 56 NOS through Bizarre Guitar early next year.


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Go check out selection at Guitar Showcase in San Jose or another dealer in your area to feel neck shapes.

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oh wow, they weren't listed on the Fender dealers list on the Custom Shop site.

I'm located in Napa...do you know how many other Fender Custom shops are in the bay area? is there anywhere I can get a list?


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Post subject: Re: Vintage C vs. Modern C vs. Soft V
Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 7:48 am
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[quote="rabmag"]With this in mind, I've found the soft V neck in combination with the 7.25" radius and smaller nut width of the 50's Road Worn strats to be extremely comfortable. I purchased an American Standard 57 Reissue and discovered that the neck is more comfortable than my modern C neck but not as comfortable as the soft V of the Road Worn.[quote]

I have particular issues w/neck profiles. Given that you have found comfort with the Road Worn, and from your comments in general, I suggest you audition a Clapton and, if you can find one, a '57 Vintage Hotrod. Trying to glean generalities from Fender specs is a challenging task because there's no consistency. Example: They use the term soft V for both the Clapton and the American Deluxe, and they are two distinctly different neck carves. The neck on the Deluxe is the generic 10/56 V neck which one can find on the Buddy Guy, and Jimmy Vaughn for example, but different from the Road Worn and Clapton in feel.

The Gilmour, for example, is described as being an '83' C-neck and its dimensions are provided in detail. The feel is less chunky than the modern C neck because is does not have the shoulders. It has the feel of a Clapton but flatter on the back end, thus it does not sit in the V-between the thumb and index finger as comfortably, but is a thinner, faster neck. However, finished in gloss, it does not have the same ease of feel as a satin finish.

Your going to have to immerse yourself in specs. go out and find these guitars and play them. That, in the end, is really the only way to finally judge.

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Post subject: Re: Vintage C vs. Modern C vs. Soft V
Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 11:14 am
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ZZDoc wrote:
[The Gilmour, for example, is described as being an '83' C-neck and its dimensions are provided in detail. The feel is less chunky than the modern C neck because is does not have the shoulders. It has the feel of a Clapton but flatter on the back end, thus it does not sit in the V-between the thumb and index finger as comfortably, but is a thinner, faster neck. However, finished in gloss, it does not have the same ease of feel as a satin finish.
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Curious how you would compare the Gilmour neck and the HR 57 neck. I have a HR 57 and like the neck (play thumb over the top style) and I am considering the Gilmour. I will say, I dislike the modern C shape neck. Thanks in advance for any insight you may be able to provide.


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Post subject: Re: Vintage C vs. Modern C vs. Soft V
Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 3:16 pm
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ZZDoc wrote:
[The Gilmour, for example, is described as being an '83' C-neck and its dimensions are provided in detail. The feel is less chunky than the modern C neck because is does not have the shoulders. It has the feel of a Clapton but flatter on the back end, thus it does not sit in the V-between the thumb and index finger as comfortably, but is a thinner, faster neck. However, finished in gloss, it does not have the same ease of feel as a satin finish.
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Doc:

Curious how you would compare the Gilmour neck and the HR 57 neck. I have a HR 57 and like the neck (play thumb over the top style) and I am considering the Gilmour. I will say, I dislike the modern C shape neck. Thanks in advance for any insight you may be able to provide.


The Gilmour's a little flatter, but for those bucks you really should play one first before ordering. :wink:

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i sent the 57 hot rod V neck spec to the CS for an order and they came back with "57-soft V" which I dont think is the accurate neck. can someone post some thickness measurements and overall feel...


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i sent the 57 hot rod V neck spec to the CS for an order and they came back with "57-soft V" which I dont think is the accurate neck. can someone post some thickness measurements and overall feel...

I remember it being a little flatter than the Clapton playing them side by side. Overall feel to your hand is an individual matter. Something you have to play.

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Post subject: Re: Vintage C vs. Modern C vs. Soft V
Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 6:35 am
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ZZDoc wrote:
ascan wrote:
ZZDoc wrote:
[The Gilmour, for example, is described as being an '83' C-neck and its dimensions are provided in detail. The feel is less chunky than the modern C neck because is does not have the shoulders. It has the feel of a Clapton but flatter on the back end, thus it does not sit in the V-between the thumb and index finger as comfortably, but is a thinner, faster neck. However, finished in gloss, it does not have the same ease of feel as a satin finish.
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Doc:

Curious how you would compare the Gilmour neck and the HR 57 neck. I have a HR 57 and like the neck (play thumb over the top style) and I am considering the Gilmour. I will say, I dislike the modern C shape neck. Thanks in advance for any insight you may be able to provide.


The Gilmour's a little flatter, but for those bucks you really should play one first before ordering. :wink:


Would certainly play one before dropping that kind of $$$. Just wanted to hear your take on the neck. If you had told me the neck was similar to the modern C, I probably would have taken the Gilmour off my list as the modern C just does not work for my hands. Thanks for your thoughts.


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Post subject: Re: Vintage C vs. Modern C vs. Soft V
Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 8:28 am
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ascan wrote:
ZZDoc wrote:
ascan wrote:
ZZDoc wrote:
[The Gilmour, for example, is described as being an '83' C-neck and its dimensions are provided in detail. The feel is less chunky than the modern C neck because is does not have the shoulders. It has the feel of a Clapton but flatter on the back end, thus it does not sit in the V-between the thumb and index finger as comfortably, but is a thinner, faster neck. However, finished in gloss, it does not have the same ease of feel as a satin finish.
Doc[/b]


Doc:

Curious how you would compare the Gilmour neck and the HR 57 neck. I have a HR 57 and like the neck (play thumb over the top style) and I am considering the Gilmour. I will say, I dislike the modern C shape neck. Thanks in advance for any insight you may be able to provide.


The Gilmour's a little flatter, but for those bucks you really should play one first before ordering. :wink:


Would certainly play one before dropping that kind of $$$. Just wanted to hear your take on the neck. If you had told me the neck was similar to the modern C, I probably would have taken the Gilmour off my list as the modern C just does not work for my hands. Thanks for your thoughts.

The 'modern C' is a fuller round shouldered neck. I don't care for it either. :wink: Have you played a Clapton?

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Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 7:36 am
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ZZDoc wrote:
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ascan wrote:
ZZDoc wrote:
[The Gilmour, for example, is described as being an '83' C-neck and its dimensions are provided in detail. The feel is less chunky than the modern C neck because is does not have the shoulders. It has the feel of a Clapton but flatter on the back end, thus it does not sit in the V-between the thumb and index finger as comfortably, but is a thinner, faster neck. However, finished in gloss, it does not have the same ease of feel as a satin finish.
Doc[/b]


Doc:

Curious how you would compare the Gilmour neck and the HR 57 neck. I have a HR 57 and like the neck (play thumb over the top style) and I am considering the Gilmour. I will say, I dislike the modern C shape neck. Thanks in advance for any insight you may be able to provide.


The Gilmour's a little flatter, but for those bucks you really should play one first before ordering. :wink:


Would certainly play one before dropping that kind of $$$. Just wanted to hear your take on the neck. If you had told me the neck was similar to the modern C, I probably would have taken the Gilmour off my list as the modern C just does not work for my hands. Thanks for your thoughts.

The 'modern C' is a fuller round shouldered neck. I don't care for it either. :wink: Have you played a Clapton?


I have played a Clapton, but it was about 20 years ago so I don't remember much about it. Also, I understand the neck on the standard production clapton model has changed a bit since then.


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Post subject: Re: Vintage C vs. Modern C vs. Soft V
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I have played a Clapton, but it was about 20 years ago so I don't remember much about it. Also, I understand the neck on the standard production clapton model has changed a bit since then.[/quote]

The insiders tell us that EC's tweak that neck a tad for his stage guitars but the essentials remain the same on those built by the company at all three levels. Audition one. :idea:

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