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Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 10:55 am
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I can tell you what the smell probubly is. My Custom Shop Jazz Bass has a Nitrocelloius Lacquer finish. Personally, I love the smell of the body's finish and yes it can be quite strong if it's been sitting in the case. I use MacGuires to polish the bass and the lacquer smell does remain. I guess one man's stink is anothers perfume as I love the smell my Jazz produces.

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It took you 11 years to complain about it and now you think FCS should do something about a smell? Hmmmm!


I think you misread the thread.


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Maguire's gold paste wax. give it a good two or three coats. the wax will go into the finish and hopefully flush out whatever has caused the smell.


I don't have any Maguiar's gold paste but I do have:

Macguiar's Heavy-cut 4
Macguiar's fine-cut cleaner 2
Macguiar's professional cleaner wax 6
Macguiar's mirror glaze 7 professional

Will any of them substitute for the gold paste?

I'm a bit worried about using a wax to seal in the stinkl That is, if it doesn' penetrate enough to get rid of it.

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My apologies if I misread the thread and wish you good luck in resolving your problem!! :wink:


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Just thinking if you put some charcoal in the case it may absorb whatever the offending smell maybe, worth a try
Charcoal may seem a mundane material, but as we have seen its unique properties have been valued by man throughout history. Its use as a fuel was crucial in the development of metallurgy, and its qualities as an artistic medium have been appreciated from the earliest times. Today activated charcoal is of enormous importance in the purification of water and air. The science of charcoal has been studied for over 200 years by such outstanding figures as Wilhelm Scheele and Rosalind Franklin yet it still remains only partially understood. We have made important advances recently, but there is still much to learn.
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Hi John.

No, those are for polishing and have abrasives in it, the gold is just a wax with no abrasives.
The wax will go into the finish and with the oils and such float out anything that could cause this smell issue.

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I bought an '06 Strat Pro new and the case has a horrible odor.I almost fell over when I got home and first opened it up.
I have done the dryer sheet thing and left it outside open in sunlight but years later it still smells, although it's not quite as overpowering as when I first got it.


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Wow. I'm glad I've never ran into this problem. It must be incredibly frustrating for you. Sorry man.

First, I would just get rid of the case and use something else for a while. A cheapie gig bag sounds like an option. Maybe keep a good deodorizer in that bag when the guitar is in it. This will at least take half of the problem out of the equasion.

I'd take a look at what is under the pickguard and in the input cavity to make sure there is not some weird smelly shielding there. If that's not the culprit, it sounds like things are narrowed down to something seeping into the finish.


Try the guitar wax suggested, buffing firmly but carefully. If that doesn't work, take the guitar to Guitar Center and trade it in for something else. I know that won't bring you a lot in return as opposed to selling it on Ebay or something, but you wouldn't want to stick the new owner with that smell. At least at a place like Guitar Center people can smell it for themselves before they buy. And most of the guitars there smell of teenager anyway. ;)

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It sounds like for some folks there is a question, which is the culprit, the case or the guitar? There's no question with mine, it's the case. And it's not the smell of nitro. I have refinished guitars using nitro so I know what the odor from that is and that's definitely not the odor coming from the case.
Someone mentioned charcoal's ability to absorb nasty odors. That does work pretty well. A convenient way to use it is to get some filter packets made for fish aquariums. Granulated charcoal comes packaged in breathable paper and it does a good job of absorbing odors although it doesn't eliminate the source.


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walkbassman45 wrote:
I can tell you what the smell probubly is. My Custom Shop Jazz Bass has a Nitrocelloius Lacquer finish. Personally, I love the smell of the body's finish and yes it can be quite strong if it's been sitting in the case. I use MacGuires to polish the bass and the lacquer smell does remain. I guess one man's stink is anothers perfume as I love the smell my Jazz produces.


How old is the Jazz Bass?

I do think that one of the smells is something chemical like Nitro. But's it's not like any nitro that I use. Also, nitro goes away after a while, at least the nitro that I use goes away after a while.

The thing that I find really curious is that the neck doesn't have the smell. I'm pretty well convinced that Fender used somthing on the body that they didn't use on the neck- but they're not talking.

The other smell is something rancid, at least that's how my wife describes it. That must come from the case. I have taken the pickguard off in the past and there's nothing dead under there. I have read that back in the 90s some of these cases were glued with hhg that sometimes went rancid before it dried.

The guitar is out of the case, I don't see it going back in.


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I bought an '06 Strat Pro new and the case has a horrible odor.I almost fell over when I got home and first opened it up.
I have done the dryer sheet thing and left it outside open in sunlight but years later it still smells, although it's not quite as overpowering as when I first got it.


I knew that I couldn't be the only one with this problem. I don't know why an expensive guitar has to come in a case that ruins it. THere are glues that don't smell. When I open my Talyor case, which is a few years older than my Strat I'm greated with the same sweet wood smell that it had when it was new. There's no nitro on the taylor but my Gibson 335 is pretty netural smelling.

I'll have to give the Macguair's gold wax a go.

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"...The thing that I find really curious is that the neck doesn't have the smell. I'm pretty well convinced that Fender used something on the body that they didn't use on the neck- but they're not talking..."

No, we did tell you what to do, but you're not accepting it.

We don't "add" stuff to paint. That's ridiculous.

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Mike Eldred - Fender wrote:
"...The thing that I find really curious is that the neck doesn't have the smell. I'm pretty well convinced that Fender used something on the body that they didn't use on the neck- but they're not talking..."

No, we did tell you what to do, but you're not accepting it.

We don't "add" stuff to paint. That's ridiculous.

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What am I not accepting? The guitar has been out of the case. It still smells. Did you suggest something else that I missed?

Of course you add stuff to the nitro, it has a tint. The neck which has no tint doesn't seem to smell.

Then there's the case which, as you suggest, may have been the cause for this. Here's what John Page had to say about those cases .

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A 1960 CS Strat from 1997 would have had a nitro finish on it. I would bet the the smell is the case glue. The glue that they use to glue on the plush is a hide glue. If it wasn't cured properly and it was kept in very humid condition, I could see the glue turning rancid. When the glue isn't dry, it stinks a lot, and if it rurned rancid, I could see it stinking even more. Does the body actually have a pink hue to it, or is that just a reflection? If it does, I'd bet it a dye transfer from the plush, possibly caused by the wet glue. Weird that...



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Well at the risk of repeating myself...keep the guitar out of the case.
Not for a week or a month but until the odor subsides. Get a soft-case for the time being with possibly a deodorizer of some sort and/or keep the guitar out of the case and in a normal environment for as long as it takes to be rid the odor.

You mentioned yourself that the case is not a Fender case. It may be that the case is the cause. If you keep the guitar in the case it will continue to smell as it has for the past 11 years. You have to break the chain...

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How many different ways can the same thing be said before this post dies already? If you have a stinky guitar, that you air out for a little bit of time and then put back into the stinky case...guess what? the guitar stinks all over again.

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Well at the risk of repeating myself...keep the guitar out of the case.
Not for a week or a month but until the odor subsides. Get a soft-case for the time being with possibly a deodorizer of some sort and/or keep the guitar out of the case and in a normal environment for as long as it takes to be rid the odor.

You mentioned yourself that the case is not a Fender case. It may be that the case is the cause. If you keep the guitar in the case it will continue to smell as it has for the past 11 years. You have to break the chain...

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At times the guitar has been out of the case for months. After that the smell isn't as strong as when if first came out but it never seems to go away. How long do you think it should take to "air out"?

The case is a fender case, that is, it has the fender name on it and it was sold new with the guitar. Fender is not the OEM for the case but I don't see why that matters.

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johnjaypl wrote:
tyronne wrote:
Well at the risk of repeating myself...keep the guitar out of the case.
Not for a week or a month but until the odor subsides. Get a soft-case for the time being with possibly a deodorizer of some sort and/or keep the guitar out of the case and in a normal environment for as long as it takes to be rid the odor.

You mentioned yourself that the case is not a Fender case. It may be that the case is the cause. If you keep the guitar in the case it will continue to smell as it has for the past 11 years. You have to break the chain...

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At times the guitar has been out of the case for months. After that the smell isn't as strong as when if first came out but it never seems to go away. How long do you think it should take to "air out"?

The case is a fender case, that is, it has the fender name on it and it was sold new with the guitar. Fender is not the OEM for the case but I don't see why that matters.

John


Huh?? Look if you take it out of the case and then put it back in the case and the smell comes back, then "BINGO"! , we just determined it's the case and not the guitar.

I'm confused...you said in one of your first posts it wasn't a Fender case, now you say it is? :roll:

Get a new case.
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I'm confused...you said in one of your first posts it wasn't a Fender case, now you say it is?


What I said in my first post was:


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One suspicion is that the tweed case that it came with is the problem.


A few posts from that I say:

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The case may be a write off. The guitar and the case have spent months apart before but while I got the guitar to improve some I never got it smell free. Then I give up and put it back in it's case- I have other guitars that don't smell. It's hard to want to buy a new case and put a smelly guitar in it.



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Huh?? Look if you take it out of the case and then put it back in the case and the smell comes back, then "BINGO"! , we just determined it's the case and not the guitar.

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Get a new case.


So let me be clear about this. The case came new with the guitar, it has a Fender logo on it, but it was made by another company for fender.

I'm thinking that if I buy a new case and put a smelly guitar in it I'll just end up ruining a new case. Is that so hard to understand?

So, the guitar needs to be smell free before it sees a new case.

I'll add, it's not so easy finding a place to keep a smelly guitar for extended periods of time, I can't keep in in my livinging room. Eventually, like I said, months, I give up thinking that air alone will do the job. Is that really so hard to understand?

At the risk of repeating myself, the imediate problem is not a case for the guitar, it's getting the stink out of the strat.

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What everyone is telling you is that you keep putting it back in the smelly case. One step up, two steps back. Get it?

Throw out that case. Seriously. Get an cheapie gig bag with deodorizer. Put your guitar in there when you need it stored. Leave it out in the open air when you can.

When the smell goes completely away, buy a new Fender case for your no longer smelly guitar.

I don't mean to be a jerk, but putting it back in the old stinky case is uh...well. You get the idea. Get rid of that case. It's not even the case that comes with the guitar from Fender, so throw it out. It's worthless anyway if it smells.

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